Presidential Election 2024

TorontoGold

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You’re a weird cat. ALL you want to do is argue politics in a country that you don’t even live in. It’s just odd.

Deport all the criminal immigrants to Toronto. You good with that?

Are you even an ND football fan?
If you can't understand why someone would care about their largest trading partner, and the world's largest superpower then you really should not be operating heavy machinery because I would be worried about your ability to process your surroundings.

Do you question why people care so much about China? Surely you don't ask others why they comment on China, right?

Criminal immigrants? If they're an American citizen then they should have the same rights as other American citizens? Or are you saying someone on a temp visa? If they break the law....follow the law?

You can go through my posts and see that I comment on more football topics that some of the other posters in these threads.

I'd be more than happy to discuss actual disagreements you have with my opinions.
 

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Mind blown


Maybe Biden is more with it than we thought! That would have been quite the double cross.

There were talks about him smiling Wednesday and people wondering if he voted for Trump, along with Jill in a red dress. Stickin' it to Pelosi and Schumer for forcing him out?
 

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I'm dyin'!

Lets be real, a lot of celebrities said in 2016 they were gonna leave, and I don't think one did. I think a bunch said the same thing this time, I expect more of the same. These are the fake people they trot out to support their candidates.
Have you seen Avenatti congratulating Trump too? Him and Cohen should still be in jail lmao.
 

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Haha! Classic! No way this is real.
The account is real, but it's protected now probably because a lot of people have been calling her out after her boast went viral. The story may be fabricated, but based on her smugness I'd say there's a good chance it did happen or she just tweaked the story a bit.

 

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Reminded me of these I saw today. Don't agree, just thought it was funny.

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Votes are still being counted. 2020 was primed for high turnout anyway.
 

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If you can't understand why someone would care about their largest trading partner, and the world's largest superpower then you really should not be operating heavy machinery because I would be worried about your ability to process your surroundings.

Do you question why people care so much about China? Surely you don't ask others why they comment on China, right?

Criminal immigrants? If they're an American citizen then they should have the same rights as other American citizens? Or are you saying someone on a temp visa? If they break the law....follow the law?

You can go through my posts and see that I comment on more football topics that some of the other posters in these threads.

I'd be more than happy to discuss actual disagreements you have with my opinions.

Like I said, you’re a weirdo
 

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IMG_0990.pngVery hard to understand why the Dem’s didn’t try to make this message (things you really like are going to cost way more) front and center of their messaging to young men in this country that Trump overwhelmingly won.
Regardless if it turns out to be true or not, this is the type of message that resonates with people who don’t follow politics all that closely
 

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View attachment 3056915Very hard to understand why the Dem’s didn’t try to make this message (things you really like are going to cost way more) front and center of their messaging to young men in this country that Trump overwhelmingly won.
Regardless if it turns out to be true or not, this is the type of message that resonates with people who don’t follow politics all that closely
Because this is offset by him lowering taxes and/or paying down debt. Don't want to pay tariffs? Easy - build in America.
 

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Because this is offset by him lowering taxes and/or paying down debt. Don't want to pay tariffs? Easy - build in America.
Fair enough, just feel like you’re giving the voting public a little too much credit on their understanding of how things work.
Your gadgets and electronics that you love are going to cost way more is an effective message, in my opinion.
Especially for the white male 18-29 demo that Trump ran up the score with.
Just my two cents.
 

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I see. It seems that your concern is that these things are too costly?

So, never ending war/conflict is acceptable as long as it’s properly budgeted for (in this case via deficit spending) with the agency that has a budget that can’t be audited?

What would have been different about the Russian invasion of Ukraine or Netenyahu’s escalation of the conflict in the Middle East if Trump was president? We send billions in military aid to Israel pretty much every year regardless.

Now, I would agree with a significant reduction in defense spending and reducing military aid to Israel. So if that’s the proposal I’m all for it.

If I were a cynical asshole I would argue that the aid is used to buy US manufactured weapon systems so technically, isn’t that a good thing for the US economy?
Nice rant that was completely irrelevant to the topic and my post.

You'll notice I never mentioned wars or conflict. I was referring to special forces teams, intelligence assets on the ground, drones in the sky, etc. all are within the US budget every year and isn't going to change anytime soon.

Sending billions to a foreign country for a war (while we're trillions in debt) that isn't ours raises scrutiny and questions.
 

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It probably happens to some degree in every election imo. You just don’t want a Venezuela situation where the polling is grossly manipulated. When u don’t implement basic common sense voting safe guards like voter id (only reason u wouldn’t was if u wanted cheating), it gives people a reason to be skeptical.
 
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Dude, this argument that you constantly trot out is dumb as shit and historically inaccurate.

The GOP began to court southern democrats as early as the late 1940’s due to the “Dixiecrats” disillusionment with Truman over civil rights and that eventually led to the realignment of said southern democrats with the GOP in the 60’s.
This is simply rewriting history to avoid embarrassment. The Dixiecrats, like it or not, WERE part of the Democrat party. Period. George Wallace was a life-long Dem. Most of the others never switched parties during the '50s or '60s or ever. Dems. Dem to the core.

Your party backed slavery.

Every single founding member of the Ku Klux Klan was a Dem. Not a Republican in sight. Not sure you could find a single Republican member in the Klan's entire history.

Jim Crow was 100% a Dem policy.

Most of the legislators who fought against the Civil Rights Act of the '60s were Democrats.

Stop trying to spin it otherwise. That's your party's racist history. And since? Promise minorities all sorts of goodies in exchange for their vote and deliver little of it... just enough to keep 'em voting for you without any meaningful change. Just lots of empty rhetoric. That's your party's shameful racist history. Own it.
 

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This is not true and has been covered multiple times in these threads.

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I didn't have time to adequately respond to you earlier this week, so just now getting to it.

While yes, the tax production of illegals may exceed the welfare cost of them, that's FAR from the entire economic impact story. The government benefits/welfare cost isn't even half of the total expense they incur. Millions of additional people obviously add a huge increase in cost of:

Police, fire, and other emergency services
School facilities as well as teachers, admins, and support staff
Roads and other infrastructure
All other public facilities such as parks, courthouses, and etc.
Medical costs that are unreimbursed (an ENORMOUS amount) as well as the extra demands on medical facilities and personnel
Housing prices driven up by the huge increase in demand on typically lower income housing

And those are just a few of the most obvious areas where tens of millions of illegal immigrants add a large amount of cost to their being here, above and beyond just government benefits and other assistance.
 

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This is simply rewriting history to avoid embarrassment. The Dixiecrats, like it or not, WERE part of the Democrat party. Period. George Wallace was a life-long Dem. Most of the others never switched parties during the '50s or '60s or ever. Dems. Dem to the core.

Your party backed slavery.

Every single founding member of the Ku Klux Klan was a Dem. Not a Republican in sight. Not sure you could find a single Republican member in the Klan's entire history.

Jim Crow was 100% a Dem policy.

Most of the legislators who fought against the Civil Rights Act of the '60s were Democrats.

Stop trying to spin it otherwise. That's your party's racist history. And since? Promise minorities all sorts of goodies in exchange for their vote and deliver little of it... just enough to keep 'em voting for you without any meaningful change. Just lots of empty rhetoric. That's your party's shameful racist history. Own it.
Ok. To start, I’m not a registered democrat. So that’s that.

Now, I feel compelled to demonstrate for everyone just how much of a simpleton you are as it relates to this issue.

One has to wonder why you’re so willing to die on this hill of simple minded bullshit?

My primary sources are info from when I obtained a minor in history back in the early 90’s as well as a short but very well researched essay by historian Kevin M Kruse.

After the Civil War and post Lincoln’s assassination during reconstruction the parties began to slow converge on the issue of race.

Case in point, the Republicans let the reforms that began under reconstruction fall by the wayside during the Johnson administration which included pardoning many of the souths leaders. In relatively short order Johnson allowed the rise of Jim Crow and the Klan.

Every Republican on the Supreme Court voted in favor of Plessy vs Ferguson in 1896.

When the Klan made its big comeback in the 20’s (the second Klan which is an important distinction) it did in fact have members of both parties. In the south, Democrats and in the midwest, Republicans and was a nation wide phenomenon.

During the new deal and 1930’s a majority of African Americans began to move towards democrats with Rosevelt receiving 71 percent of African American votes in 1936. In 1936 44 percent of African Americans had registered as democrats while 37 registered as republican.

In 36 the Democrats also changed their party nominating rules to remove the 2/3rds majority rule in terms of nominating the Pres and VP. That effectively stripped the southern states of a long held veto power regarding who was nominated.

In 38 Rosevelt backed 3 more liberal southerners in the primaries against three of the more conservative (racist) senators. The more conservative members held on to win but it was a shot across the bow.

In response to all this Democratic Senator Carter Glass from Virginia asked if southern democrats “will have the spirit and courage enough to face the new Reconstruction era the northern so-called Democrats are menacing with us”.

So for about 10 years during the new deal era the democrats were a weird coalition that had both southern racists and the majority of African Americans.

As per my previous post 48 was kind of a watershed year with the republicans getting creamed yet again nationally while they continued to lose ground with African Americans and that’s when they began to look at ways to align and pull in the Dixiecrats (who identified as their own party and ran Thurmond as an opposition candidate to Truman) and the realignment began in earnest.
 
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In 48 Republican Senator John Bricker, who was also the GOP VP pick in 44 urged Republican and Dixiecrat leaders to coordinate “realignment”.

The first signs of this strategy paying off were in 52 when Eisenhower (who was endorsed by Thurmond) won Virginia, Tennessee, Florida, Oklahoma and Texas.

The Brown ruling threw a monkey wrench in all this but when Nixon lost in 60 the GOP again began to focus on courting the South.

In 61 the GOP created and began funding a program called “Operation Dixie”.

In 61 former Democrat turned Republican John Tower won LBJ’s vacated seat, and immediately threw in with southern democrats and voted against the civil rights act in 64 and 65.

In 62 the GOP ran segregationists William Workman in the South Carolina Senate race and segregationist/ former democrat James D Martin for Senate in Alabama.

In 63 Robert Novak attended meetings of the RNC and noted that southern chairmen casually used racial slurs and one attendee proclaimed “This isn’t South Africa. The white man outnumbers the negro 9 to 1.”

64 was another pivotal year in that it demonstrated how complete the realignment had become.

LBJ tapped pro civil rights Humphrey as his VP while the GOP ticket consisted of Goldwater (who defended segregation and voted against the Civil Rights Act) and William Miller (sadly a Notre Dame graduate) both of whom were proponents of the new GOP southern strategy of aligning with southern segregationists under the guise of States Rights.

It’s funny George Wallace was mentioned because he did in fact offer to switch parties if Goldwater made him his running mate.

If one breaks down the votes against the Civil Rights Act 40 some odd percent of the Dems voted No (all southerners) while 20 plus percent of the GOP Senators voted No including the before mentioned Goldwater.

At the 64 National Convention Nelson Rockefeller offered an amendment to denounce the John Birch Society and the KKK. It was shouted down and for the first time in 50 years there were no African American delegates in the southern delegation, some African American Republicans who attended were assaulted at the event.

Jackie Robinson who was in attendance said “I now know how it felt to be a Jew in Hitlers Germany”.

In the early 60’s Alabama segregationist Bill Dickson left the democrats and won a seat as a Republican, Mississippi Republican Prentis Walker (a former democrat) gave his first public address after winning a seat in the house in front of KKK affiliated Americans for the Preservation of the White Race and all four of the other Republicans from Alabama were against civil rights.

Now, why did segregationist senators like Thurmond (who did eventually become a Republican) remain in the Democratic Party? The answer is pretty simple. They were long standing ranking members and did not want to give up their chairmanships and the power that came with it. So it is true that many retired as “democrats”.
 
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Now, we wait for the babysitters to come in and rescue him. Do you think he'll be able to respond with facts, logic, or reasoning?
 

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There’s some great LBJ quotes on bringing AA to the Dems. “I’ll have those _____ s voting democratic for the next 200 years”
 

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Must have been (although I’d argue that’s more than casual). It was nice to see our numbers double with AA males this year. Economic and civil freedom is contagious no matter your race.
 

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Nice rant that was completely irrelevant to the topic and my post.

You'll notice I never mentioned wars or conflict. I was referring to special forces teams, intelligence assets on the ground, drones in the sky, etc. all are within the US budget every year and isn't going to change anytime soon.

Sending billions to a foreign country for a war (while we're trillions in debt) that isn't ours raises scrutiny and questions.
Sure ok.

You specifically said “no wars” in your original post.
 
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