Presidential Election 2024

[BleedBlueGold]

Who is going to work those jobs then? They aren’t taking jobs from Americans. They’re taking jobs that Americans won’t do. Unemployment is at 4.1%. I think it would be a disaster for the economy.

Genuinely asking....(I feel like Buster used to be good on this topic, yes?)...Won't those jobs be available to many of the legal immigrants who came here fully expecting to get those jobs? Legal immigrants do not like illegal immigration for this exact reason. It floods the market for the jobs they sought, no? (I'm speaking directly to the level of immigrant who wants this work....not saying all immigrants are destined for the fields obviously.)

 

[Sea Turtle]

Grover Cleveland. A Democrat. Faustavian and a mustache that we can all appreciate. This is Trump now.

There are badass Democrats. He was one of them.

 

[Bluto]

Ever consider Trump dominated because his "normal" was no wars, gas prices around $2 a gallon, and inflation less than 3%?

No wars isn’t really accurate. The US still had troops actively involved in conflicts in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and I believe Africa under Trump. Drone strikes also increased dramatically during his administration.

I would also argue that the Abraham Accords and the continued US enabling of Netanyahu set the stage for the current conflict unfolding in the Middle East and was many years in the making.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Does sending US tax dollars to help with these wars count as being involved in your eyes? Because the average American would much rather keep that money at home.

Yes, but I’m far from average 😎 it’s a moot point considering we were involved in several conflicts around the globe under Trump. We don’t get to dictate how our tax dollars are spent anyway.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Genuinely asking....(I feel like Buster used to be good on this topic, yes?)...Won't those jobs be available to many of the legal immigrants who came here fully expecting to get those jobs? Legal immigrants do not like illegal immigration for this exact reason. It floods the market for the jobs they sought, no? (I'm speaking directly to the level of immigrant who wants this work....not saying all immigrants are destined for the fields obviously.)

Unemployment is at 4.1%. Everyone who wants a job, has a job. Illegals really do do the jobs nobody else will do. In all types of industries, but especially agriculture.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Does anybody have any thoughts on the panic of 1893, Cleveland and his insistence on the gold standard vs the silver from western states and the Democrats in general?

Torontogold, GATTACA, etc. what do you guys think?

 

[drayer54]

Does anybody have any thoughts on the panic of 1893, Cleveland and his insistence on the gold standard vs the silver from western states and the Democrats in general?

Torontogold, GATTACA, etc. what do you guys think?

If it's not in Project 2025, we aren't doing it.

 

[Giddyup]

Trump is against special education kids is the Dems new scare tactic. Keep the dumb moms in line.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Who is going to work those jobs then? They aren’t taking jobs from Americans. They’re taking jobs that Americans won’t do. Unemployment is at 4.1%. I think it would be a disaster for the economy.

Where have we heard that argument before?

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Ever consider Trump dominated because his "normal" was no wars, gas prices around $2 a gallon, and inflation less than 3%?

Within the last WEEK one of the most respected journalists of all times reported that Putin interacts with Trump as if he has blackmail on him, and the most famous pedophile of recent memory called Trump one of his closet friends on a tape recorded in 2017.

Of course, I can understand if people don’t want to believe those two stories, that is your decision…but please don’t try and say Trump is “normal”
His entire life existence for the better part of half of century now is anything but normal.

 

[ulukinatme]

The average American doesn’t care about wars that don’t involve us, gas was $2 a gallon because of COVID shutdowns, and inflation happened because of COVID as well. Inflation was world wide and the US handled it better than anyone else. If Trump had done a better job handling COVID “it’s going to magically disappear” then inflation wouldn’t have been as bad. It was all about businesses raising prices to make up for their previous losses.

Throughout most of Trump's presidency the gas was averaging about $2.50/gallon, not just towards COVID. In places like the Midwest gas also dipped below $2 in 2019 before COVID was even a thing.

U.S. average retail gasoline prices in 2019 were slightly lower than in 2018 - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

It didn't matter who was in office when the global pandemic hit, lots of people were going to die. We did unprecedented lockdowns, people were laid off, there were masking mandates, didn't matter. You're not stopping a pandemic the likes of which comes around every 100 years. Biden had the same strategy Trump used, the only difference was he got to start his term with a jab available...and yet there were still more deaths by September of 2021 than in 2020 under Trump. You could have had FDR, Lincoln, or Kennedy in office, wouldn't have mattered. Those people were still going to sadly die. Super viruses don't care who you vote for, they transcend politics and kill indiscriminately.

 

[Giddyup]

 

[Giddyup]

Within the last WEEK one of the most respected journalists of all times reported that Putin interacts with Trump as if he has blackmail on him, and the most famous pedophile of recent memory called Trump one of his closet friends on a tape recorded in 2017.

Of course, I can understand if people don’t want to believe those two stories, that is your decision…but please don’t try and say Trump is “normal”
His entire life existence for the better part of half of century now is anything but normal.

Pfft. Lol. Wha? Yeah and i screw goats and trump is my best bud. These guys and grasping for straws

 

[ulukinatme]

Trump is against special education kids is the Dems new scare tactic. Keep the dumb moms in line.

I was having a political discussion on the Texas football board and mentioned my special needs son. First thing they went to is that me and my son are going to be completely fucked under Trump, despite the fact I pointed out we had a better handle on bills and taking care of his needs the 4 years we were under Trump. The next comment was that my son will wind up on a "kill list."

Granted, that board is heavily, heavily liberal to a point where they have an echo chamber for each party to discuss politics over there and people rarely stray from their communities when it comes to politics. The paranoia over there is crazy, they are not doing well after Tuesday.

 

[Giddyup]

It’s disgusting but that is democrats today. They don’t care.. no evidence, who cares, it’s whatever their overlords say goes. Let’s get back to adult real policy issues

 

[TorontoGold]

Throughout most of Trump's presidency the gas was averaging about $2.50/gallon, not just towards COVID. In places like the Midwest gas also dipped below $2 in 2019 before COVID was even a thing.

U.S. average retail gasoline prices in 2019 were slightly lower than in 2018 - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

It didn't matter who was in office when the global pandemic hit, lots of people were going to die. We did unprecedented lockdowns, people were laid off, there were masking mandates, didn't matter. You're not stopping a pandemic the likes of which comes around every 100 years. Biden had the same strategy Trump used, the only difference was he got to start his term with a jab available...and yet there were still more deaths by September of 2021 than in 2020 under Trump. You could have had FDR, Lincoln, or Kennedy in office, wouldn't have mattered. Those people were still going to sadly die. Super viruses don't care who you vote for, they transcend politics and kill indiscriminately.

Not necessarily, once a vaccine was available (Trump's greatest achievement that is not mentioned enough by the GOP) the people impacted the most by the virus were in pro-Trump counties. Vulnerable people that got scammed into believing snake oil salesmen sadly paid the partisan price.

 

[drayer54]

Within the last WEEK one of the most respected journalists of all times reported that Putin interacts with Trump as if he has blackmail on him, and the most famous pedophile of recent memory called Trump one of his closet friends on a tape recorded in 2017.

Of course, I can understand if people don’t want to believe those two stories, that is your decision…but please don’t try and say Trump is “normal”
His entire life existence for the better part of half of century now is anything but normal.

Within the last WEEK one of the most respected journalists of all times reported that Putin interacts with Trump as if he has blackmail on him, and the most famous pedophile of recent memory called Trump one of his closet friends on a tape recorded in 2017.

Of course, I can understand if people don’t want to believe those two stories, that is your decision…but please don’t try and say Trump is “normal”
His entire life existence for the better part of half of century now is anything but normal.

We’re going to do Russia lies both terms?

Are you one of those people who nodded their heads when respected journalists on msnbc compared the msg rally to a nazi rally?

 

[CTIDANDREW]

We’re going to do Russia lies both terms?

Are you one of those people who nodded their heads when respected journalists on msnbc compared the msg rally to a nazi rally?

I’m personally not doing anything.
I only stated what Bob Woodard said, who is arguably the most respected journalist of all time.
Believe what you want

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Where have we heard that argument before?
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@TorontoGold check out this straw man argument 😂
Don’t be a hypocrite, Bishop. If you can’t or don’t want to answer then don’t but this unbecoming.

 

[Giddyup]

I’m personally not doing anything.
I only stated what Bob Woodard said, who is arguably the most respected journalist of all time.
Believe what you want

Lololol

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Throughout most of Trump's presidency the gas was averaging about $2.50/gallon, not just towards COVID. In places like the Midwest gas also dipped below $2 in 2019 before COVID was even a thing.

U.S. average retail gasoline prices in 2019 were slightly lower than in 2018 - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

It didn't matter who was in office when the global pandemic hit, lots of people were going to die. We did unprecedented lockdowns, people were laid off, there were masking mandates, didn't matter. You're not stopping a pandemic the likes of which comes around every 100 years. Biden had the same strategy Trump used, the only difference was he got to start his term with a jab available...and yet there were still more deaths by September of 2021 than in 2020 under Trump. You could have had FDR, Lincoln, or Kennedy in office, wouldn't have mattered. Those people were still going to sadly die. Super viruses don't care who you vote for, they transcend politics and kill indiscriminately.

You just did a better job at refuting @polishleppy than I did. Congrats?

 

[Giddyup]

Looks
Like the dem jig is up for all working folks in texas.

Divide by race losing steam.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Pfft. Lol. Wha? Yeah and i screw goats and trump is my best bud. These guys and grasping for straws

You fucking goats probably isn’t the disclaimer you think it is.

 

[TorontoGold]

@TorontoGold check out this straw man argument 😂
Don’t be a hypocrite, Bishop. If you can’t or don’t want to answer then don’t but this unbecoming.

He can't argue with facts, logic, or reason. Sad.

 

[drayer54]

I’m personally not doing anything.
I only stated what Bob Woodard said, who is arguably the most respected journalist of all time.
Believe what you want

without evidence, the insanity continues

Here from the conservative columnist at WaPo

 

[Giddyup]

Lol. U guys really have no clue how swamp vs people works. Heil Trump. Where do I go to get my papers losers

 

[CTIDANDREW]

without evidence, the insanity continues

Here from the conservative columnist at WaPo

I have no idea at all what those twitter posts have to do with what I’m talking about.
The original post I was responding to was a poster saying Trump was a return to “normalcy”
I pointed out that within the last week one of the most respected journalists of our lifetimes stated he believed Trump was compromised by Putin and they possibly had blackmail on him.
Also, Epstein called Trump one of his closet friends on a recording from 2017.

I’m honestly not trying to be a dick or start a huge fight.
I just can’t understand how anyone can believe Trump is the idea of “normal” when they hear stories like that.
Of course, you can believe they’re all bullshit and that is your decision, but man it would be a whole bunch of bullshit over the past decade.

 

[Giddyup]

You just gave us a blanket statement. I didn’t vote for trump in 2016 cause I thought he wouldn’t do what he said. I was wrong. What he says he stands for he’ll try to do, successful or not.

 

[ulukinatme]

Not necessarily, once a vaccine was available (Trump's greatest achievement that is not mentioned enough by the GOP) the people impacted the most by the virus were in pro-Trump counties. Vulnerable people that got scammed into believing snake oil salesmen sadly paid the partisan price.

Ok, then according to the graph a lot of people in blue counties died when Trump was in office, and then it flipped to red when Biden when he was in office...

Call it even? That's kind of my point. Biden had the benefit of the jab available plus he wasn't walking into it blind, yet people still died (Regardless of where they lived or who they supported). Politicizing a global pandemic is silly, you're not stopping it and despite the measures we took there was very little that slowed it. The pandemic only got under control once the virus mutated enough that it was no longer as serious of a threat and became endemic. A suit in Washington didn't kill granny, a highly contagious super virus did. If anyone is to blame, based on what my wife saw as a nurse, it was family members refusing to follow lockdown protocols as they barged in to see their loved ones. Many of them condemned their own family and didn't even know it, not to mention others in the facilities.

 

[ulukinatme]

You just did a better job at refuting @polishleppy than I did. Congrats?

I agree with some of what you said, was just pointing out that gas wasn't $2 because of COVID. We were there for a good portion of Trump's presidency. It just dipped even lower than $2 once lockdowns occurred and we were sitting on a large supply of petrol that nobody was using.

I also think there were other factors outside of COVID that contributed to inflation. There was a $2 trillion dollar infrastructure bill that was rammed through early, with the plan to have corporations pay for it. There were questions early "How are you going to pay for this?" "Don't you worry." Where did the buck get passed down to? Consumers via inflation. There were some questions about the extra COVID relief as well, whether it was necessary, and that was another $2 trillion. Money machine go brrrrrt. It was a lot of spending all at once, and they all had a hand in the record inflation. It was always going to be high as a result of the pandemic, but when you've got Yellen saying stupid things like "Inflation is transitory, it's a good thing." that sticks in the craw of Americans scraping by or underwater with rising prices. Those people voted with their pocketbooks.