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[Irish#1]

You're not illiterate, just not understanding of rate stats. I don't even get the point you're making in the second paragraph. You're using a sample size of 100 people and then saying "skewed to each end of the curve"...so this means?

I am not naive, at all. If the fears you speak of were true, would we not see this reflected in the data? If these illegal immigrants were causing crime would we not seem them being convicted at higher rates than naturally born citizens? I think you have incredible faith in these countries to open their prisons and create this elaborate logistical feat to send their societies undesirables on this voyage to do....what? Cause crime? We already know they don't do that at incredible rates. So these criminals from Southern American countries are spies, ok if we accept that position - what intel are they gathering? Even before you get to that, these criminals from some shitass prison in Venezuela are going to be reporting back to their handler and somehow evade the FBI/CIA? This would make a great film because it requires a great imagination.

Assuming I would disagree with what? You believe that I don't believe in any sort of national security? That is an outlandish claim.


That's great. The conversation you inserted yourself into was framing it as they're all raving murders.

If you didn’t want anyone else replying, you should haves DM’d him.

 

[Giddyup]

Lol. Follow the science! Follow the experts!!

 

[TorontoGold]

Were rates listed somewhere else? I just saw the front page. I would need to know the exact amount of immigrant increase to know if rates were increasing/decreasing, but for sure, the numbers went way up starting in 2021. I prefer percentages but the dramatic increase in numbers cant be ignored.
I probably should have stopped after the first point to see where you were coming from. However, what I was trying to point out is you cant necessarily compare immigrants to the general population. It is a different animal. Potential crimes from immigrants, like spying, sabotage, massive drug operations, sex trafficking. ' This shit is not a myth. It is real. Spying happens. It isnt some 1960s relic. Sure a shithole country can even do it. On the other hand, there are immigrants that are excellent. Probably much more productive than your average Joe. However, no matter what, people just want to know who is coming. Is someone a potential trafficker, or whatever type of criminal.

They weren't - but you can extrapolate what 27 murders are over a sizeable population.
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I'm glad you brought up those types of crimes, because those are crimes American's absolutely commit. I would ask for your data to support those claims, but I know what direction that would go - so I pulled some statistics that would shift your opinion, if it's open to the data.

Human Trafficking Data Collection Activities, 2022

bjs.ojp.gov

Human trafficking

Of the 1,169 defendants charged in U.S. district court with human trafficking offenses in fiscal year 2020—

• 92% were male
• 63% were white
• 18% were black
• 17% were Hispanic
• 95% were U.S. citizens
• 66% had no prior convictions

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

Drug crimes

We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between US-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as “undocumented” at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime.

Advancing Justice Through Science

The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) is dedicated to improving knowledge and understanding of crime and justice issues through science.

nij.ojp.gov

In general

To your last point, of course when speaking in those platitudes no one is going to disagree with wanting to know who's coming across the border.

If you didn’t want anyone else replying, you should haves DM’d him.

Didn't say that. Just read the conversation first, that way you won't get so emotional in the future.

 

[Irish#1]

They weren't - but you can extrapolate what 27 murders are over a sizeable population.
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I'm glad you brought up those types of crimes, because those are crimes American's absolutely commit. I would ask for your data to support those claims, but I know what direction that would go - so I pulled some statistics that would shift your opinion, if it's open to the data.

Human Trafficking Data Collection Activities, 2022

bjs.ojp.gov

Human trafficking

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

Drug crimes

Advancing Justice Through Science

The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) is dedicated to improving knowledge and understanding of crime and justice issues through science.

nij.ojp.gov

In general

To your last point, of course when speaking in those platitudes no one is going to disagree with wanting to know who's coming across the border.


Didn't say that. Just read the conversation first, that way you won't get so emotional in the future.

Emotional? Lol

 

[TorontoGold]

Emotional? Lol

"If you didn’t want anyone else replying, you should haves DM’d him."

 

[NDVirginia19]

This must be why you have to wait 27+ weeks for an appointment in Canada

 

[TorontoGold]

Wait until they find out you have to have an up to date immunization record too! Oh no! Or that the government allocates you based on your experience/education....the horror!

LofT can't imagine a world in which doctors who represent different communities other than just WASP are important.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Wait until they find out you have to have an up to date immunization record too! Oh no! Or that the government allocates you based on your experience/education....the horror!

LofT can't imagine a world in which doctors who represent different communities other than just WASP are important.

I really don't give a shit what the fuck the color of the skin of my doctor is, I just want them to know what the fuck they are doing and are actually the best of the best. Turns out when you do that, Asian Americans and Asian Canadians are vastly overrepresented

 

[TorontoGold]

I really don't give a shit what the fuck the color of the skin of my doctor is, I just want them to know what the fuck they are doing and are actually the best of the best. Turns out when you do that, Asian Americans and Asian Canadians are vastly overrepresented

That is what everyone wants. There are a ton of *plays scary music* immigrants here who can't speak english so having a diverse group of doctors to assist seems like the prudent thing because it's really fucking tough to have doctors who are well versed in the certain cultural/ethnic differences between some people. TMU does not run a substantial doctoral program by any stretch, and this fits a need.

Of course, Dave in Ohio who mainlines LofT won't understand that and find a new reason to hate on non-white people in city they'll never go to.

 

[NDVirginia19]

That is what everyone wants. There are a ton of *plays scary music* immigrants here who can't speak english so having a diverse group of doctors to assist seems like the prudent thing because it's really fucking tough to have doctors who are well versed in the certain cultural/ethnic differences between some people. TMU does not run a substantial doctoral program by any stretch, and this fits a need.

Of course, Dave in Ohio who mainlines LofT won't understand that and find a new reason to hate on non-white people in city they'll never go to.

So 75% of an incoming medical class being selected based on DEI considerations is done to meet the niche need of non English speaking immigrants?

 

[TorontoGold]

So 75% of an incoming medical class being selected based on DEI considerations is done to meet the niche need of non English speaking immigrants?

I don't think you understand the diverse makeup of Toronto, and that's fine but you need to actually read the website of the program before full throating whatever LofT is pushing. School of Medicine

It's a new program offered at a school that's never had a school of medicine. The overwhelming majority of doctors go through "non-woke" programs.

Again, Conservatives should be more worried that they'll be treated by someone who's vaccinated (since all Canadian doctoral students need that) than someone random POC treating immigrants.

But this all doesn't matter because MAGA folks aren't essentially fond of education and won't do any surface level research before being pissed off.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Insanity like this is why I’m willing to put up with Trump’s bullshit. The left cow tows to this insane bullshit

 

[Irish#1]

Think of all the peoples feelings that are hurt every time you hire the most qualified.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Insanity like this is why I’m willing to put up with Trump’s bullshit. The left cow tows to this insane bullshit

Hire the best damn candidate for the job. Race, sexual identity, gender identity, religious views and political views should never be the reason someone didn't get a job

 

[ulukinatme]

Hire the best damn candidate for the job. Race, sexual identity, gender identity, religious views and political views should never be the reason someone didn't get a job

I think this should generally be true of all positions, but especially when it comes to certain positions where lives are at stake. If we're talking military/national security, absolutely. Health care field would also apply. I don't care what my doctor's race, gender, religion, or sexual preference is. If it's down to a guy that got through medical school with a 4.0, or a guy that passed at the bottom of his class, I want the first dude.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I think this should generally be true of all positions, but especially when it comes to certain positions where lives are at stake. If we're talking military/national security, absolutely. Health care field would also apply. I don't care what my doctor's race, gender, religion, or sexual preference is. If it's down to a guy that got through medical school with a 4.0, or a guy that passed at the bottom of his class, I want the first dude.

To hell with your racist, misogynistic, transphobic, white supremacist hatred trying to keep people from having doctors and firemen who are like them.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[NDVirginia19]

Ope

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Ope

Publish the results regardless of what you found. New York Times with an incredibly misleading quote for under the title tho when here's the rest of that quote from the article,

"Puberty blockers did not lead to mental health improvements, she said, most likely because the children were already doing well when the study began."

So sounds like the kids surveyed weren't depressed or struggling mentally before beginning treatment. I'd be more curious to what the rest of the study found and how they determine mental health pre and post treatment.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Publish the results regardless of what you found. New York Times with an incredibly misleading quote for under the title tho when here's the rest of that quote from the article,

"Puberty blockers did not lead to mental health improvements, she said, most likely because the children were already doing well when the study began."

So sounds like the kids surveyed weren't depressed or struggling mentally before beginning treatment. I'd be more curious to what the rest of the study found and how they determine mental health pre and post treatment.

Right.... just publish the entire survey. All you do is feed into the suspicioun that many have (including myself) that the medical academia, especially regarding this topic, has become focused on political matters rather than objective science.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Right.... just publish the entire survey. All you do is feed into the suspicioun that many have (including myself) that the medical academia, especially regarding this topic, has become focused on political matters rather than objective science.

Couldn't agree more. Just be transparent. I'm curious what you're suspiciouns are? Would really love to have a nuanced conversation around the topic

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Levels of Satisfaction and Regret With Gender-Affirming Medical Care in Adolescence

This survey study examines rates of satisfaction, regret, and continuity of care in adolescents who received puberty blockers and/or gender-affirming hormones as part of gender-affirming medical care.

jamanetwork.com

I wanted to post actual released findings from a study and not bog dog two threads. Figured the conversation belongs over here as opposed to the politics thread.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Couldn't agree more. Just be transparent. I'm curious what you're suspiciouns are? Would really love to have a nuanced conversation around the topic

I think there is a dearth of evidence for any of the cost/benefit on the health of children for administering hormone blockers or opposite sex hormonal therapy, and in any other discipline of science, there would be widespread medical outrage for giving it at all. I can buy the argument that stopping the body's natural development process for somebody with gender dismorphia has psychological benefits, but there should be scientific evidence that backs that up before we forever alter the bodily functions of children.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think there is a dearth of evidence for any of the cost/benefit on the health of children for administering hormone blockers or opposite sex hormonal therapy, and in any other discipline of science, there would be widespread medical outrage for giving it at all. I can buy the argument that stopping the body's natural development process for somebody with gender dismorphia has psychological benefits, but there should be scientific evidence that backs that up before we forever alter the bodily functions of children.

How do you propose aquiring that scientific evidence? Because now it seems we're at a chicken and egg situation

 

[NDVirginia19]

 

[drayer54]

We are already MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

 

[NorthDakota]

She's gets pregnant and suddenly became republican

 

[Irish#1]

Holy shit!

 

[Bishop2b5]

Holy shit!

This sort of completely ridiculous immoral crap and willful disassociation from common sense is a huge part of why the Left got tossed from power across the board last week.

 

[Giddyup]

They’re the experts, amirite?