‘21 AL QB Riley Leonard (Duke Transfer - Notre Dame Verbal)

[GoldenTate(r)Tots]

Certainly it's been said, but the "worst" part of Saturday was how RL scoring as he did still doesn't fix the issues. When SA came in, that play action TD pass was a thing of beauty that was set up from a run earlier in the game where we see Purdue's WAAAAY back single high selling out on the run. Just feels like there's no way RL can do that since his scheme has to be run first and maybe catch you on a little dink pass/trick (if he can complete it/see it and you're the first/only read). SA's sacks, to me, were less concerning and more a product of minimal playing time.

 

[notredomer23]

Start Angeli this week. They won’t but they should.

 

[irishff1014]

When the head coach makes this comment we are screwed.

 

[LifelongFan]

You know I'd be fine if we ran it 80% of the time. We'd win most games with these backs. Love and Price are both dynamic. The problem is we aren't doing that. Love stopped getting touches after his TD versus Northern Illinois. If we want a qb who can drop back on 2nd and 1 in the 4th, start a quarterback who can throw the ball.

 

[NorthDakota]

When the head coach makes this comment we are screwed.

He really is stuck in 2003. We aren't gonna win a championship with this mentality.

 

[luckofirish8]

When the head coach makes this comment we are screwed.

This statement in and of itself isn't that bad, but put it in the context of how this team (and coaches) handled RL particularly the game plan post his injury in the NIU game it seems so much worse.

 

[SDIrishFan]

This statement in and of itself isn't that bad, but put it in the context of how this team (and coaches) handled RL particularly the game plan post his injury in the NIU game it seems so much worse.

To me, it's the coaches know they can't call a game plan that rely's specifically on being pass first. But, not only pass first, but passing in a way that defenses can't put 8 or 9 in the box. The passing TD to Flanigan worked because the safety sold out on stopping the run. He never even considered we'd pass (which was stupid cuz Angeli was in). That's how much teams don't respect ND passing the ball.

We're a ranked version of Navy right now.

 

[Luckylucci]

Considering we lost to NIU because they couldn't scheme to pass, this sounds really dense.

There are a lot of ways to you could speak this up without sounding like you are completely forgetting the last time you tried to scheme up a win through the air, you lost to a ridiculous football team.

 

[NDWarrior]

🤦‍♂️

 

[NDWarrior]

Who is the last team who even won a natty with this O scheme? Tebow and FL in like 2006 or 2007?

 

[IrishLax]

I would be shocked if Angeli doesn't get some time vs Louisville.

 

[SDIrishFan]

Who is the last team who even won a natty with this O scheme? Tebow and FL in like 2006 or 2007?

In 2007 Tebow passed for almost 3300 yards and 32 touchdowns. It would take Leonard like 30 or 40 games to do that.

 

[NDpendent]

I'm mean he isn't entirely wrong. We put up 42 points in a half by mostly running the ball. But this game will not work against Louisville in two weeks so we need to see Riley have some ability to throw the ball down the field.

 

[SDIrishFan]

I'm mean he isn't entirely wrong. We put up 42 points in a half by mostly running the ball. But this game will not work against Louisville in two weeks so we need to see Riley have some ability to throw the ball down the field.

THis is the point the talking heads, and apparently, the head coach, are missing. We as fans, understand you could run all you wanted on Purdue and that gameplan worked. But we are projecting to matchups where that plan won't work. Against good defenses who put 8 or 9 in the box and send their safeties around the end to keep the QB contained.

AND, the few times we tried to throw longer developing routes, Leonard again, couldn't do it. The only legit play he had was a decent ball to Greathouse that was called back by a penalty.

 

[PigtownIrish]

They are banking the season and the program's future that Leonard will develop into a better passer after missing all the time he has missed for injury. Even if he becomes an average passer this offense could be really good.

 

[NorthDakota]

I would be shocked if Angeli doesn't get some time vs Louisville.

He might need to take over for good against Louisville.

 

[LifelongFan]

Also, do we ever run any play action? Throw on an RPO? If a team is going to be run heavy it's a waste of time to not do those things.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Ok, then give us your definition of a game manager if I'm wrong.

Tommy Rees

Rees and Mahomes are not the same lol

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Tommy Rees

Rees and Mahomes are not the same lol

It sounds like you're saying game manager means a certain style, usually played by guys with limited athletically. I'm saying every QB should make it their goal to be a game manager. It's the main part of their job. How they do it differs based on their god given talents and work ethic.

Tommy is a mid tier D1 college QB who can properly manage a game.

Mahomes is an amazingly talented NFL QB and is probably the best game manager ever, other than maybe Brady, or Manning.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

THis is the point the talking heads, and apparently, the head coach, are missing. We as fans, understand you could run all you wanted on Purdue and that gameplan worked. But we are projecting to matchups where that plan won't work. Against good defenses who put 8 or 9 in the box and send their safeties around the end to keep the QB contained.

AND, the few times we tried to throw longer developing routes, Leonard again, couldn't do it. The only legit play he had was a decent ball to Greathouse that was called back by a penalty.

It probably works against everyone but maybe USC , as long as they don't fall into tendencies good DCs pick up on. They need to develop some sort go to pass game to do anything more.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Also, do we ever run any play action? Throw on an RPO? If a team is going to be run heavy it's a waste of time to not do those things.

The TE pass to Flannigan was play action.

 

[NDWarrior]

The TE pass to Flannigan was play action.

But that also was Angeli throwing the ball and not RL

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

When the head coach makes this comment we are screwed.

Oh my fucking god

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

In 2007 Tebow passed for almost 3300 yards and 32 touchdowns. It would take Leonard like 30 or 40 games to do that.

On current pace it would take infinity games

 

[Irishdawg]

He really is stuck in 2003. We aren't gonna win a championship with this mentality.

Jim Tressel football

 

[jprue24]

It sounds like you're saying game manager means a certain style, usually played by guys with limited athletically. I'm saying every QB should make it their goal to be a game manager. It's the main part of their job. How they do it differs based on their god given talents and work ethic.

Tommy is a mid tier D1 college QB who can properly manage a game.

Mahomes is an amazingly talented NFL QB and is probably the best game manager ever, other than maybe Brady, or Manning.

Trent Dilfer was a game manager. Brady was also a game manager.

It's a QB that doesn't improvise and is a safe player.

Game manger is the baseline.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I really hope they showed him tape of guys opening up while he's scrambling.. Gotta scramble to throw. Ian book style

 

[luckofirish8]

Also, do we ever run any play action? Throw on an RPO? If a team is going to be run heavy it's a waste of time to not do those things.

Yeah, our first TD pass of the year was on a play action...shocking stuff really.

 

[jprue24]

I really hope they showed him tape of guys opening up while he's scrambling.. Gotta scramble to throw. Ian book style

Wimbush scrambled to throw when the play called for it. He also threw a better ball than RL.
BK and Long had the balls to bench that guy cause he couldn't throw. Shit, Saban benched Hurts in the biggest game of the year because Hurts couldn't throw yet.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Trent Dilfer was a game manager. Brady was also a game manager.

It's a QB that doesn't improvise and is a safe player.

Game manger is the baseline.

Those guys won super bowl rings and one is considered the best ever. Thats baseline for you? High standards lol

I wouldnt say its the baseline because their are NFL QBs would get paid lots of money in the NFL right now that are not good game managers. Daniel Jones, Will Levis, Carson Wentz, Trevor Lawerence, Deshaun Watson all come to mind as current examples.

Again if you're referring solely to their athletic abilities, I think most of their current coaches wish they could limit the bone head "improvised" plays they all tend to make and be a little more safe. The QBs first job is to take care of the football. Arm talent and ability to avoid the rush all vary. But one thing is for certain if your turn it over , its hard to win constantly enough to get through a playoff run.

QBs can also improvise by changing the play or formation based on what they see. Peyton Manning was the best as this.