ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

[Irish5Saint]

Id recommend it cause there is also the part where they mention that sources told them that Angeli did not have a good practice week leading up to Purdue.

The PR war on this has been hilarious. There is definitely some divide in the Gug over Riley and Steve

 

[dublinirish]

Never realized O'Malley from II has a side hustle renting out a house for game weekends

Notre Dame Rental Home – O'Malley Alley

Tim been lacking on his lawncare tho

 

[zelezo vlk]

We heard the same thing years ago when we expected Coan to be benched for Pyne post Cincinnati for the Virginia Tech game.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

The PR war on this has been hilarious. There is definitely some divide in the Gug over Riley and Steve

There is divide amongst those not actually on the team. Every fanbase does this. If he was better, they wouldn't have went out and got Leonard.

 

[Irish5Saint]

There is divide amongst those not actually on the team. Every fanbase does this. If he was better, they wouldn't have went out and got Leonard.

Yeah the sacks from Angeli have been puzzling. We don’t beat A&M with him at QB

 

[IrishSpartan]

II- mouth piece for the gug
IB- Homers
ISD- probably most free form
On3- likes to follow the company-line (supposedly getting better)

This is how I view it. Could change.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Yeah the sacks from Angeli have been puzzling. We don’t beat A&M with him at QB

honestly the thing with the sacks to me is just lack of reps. The more he plays the better feel for everything he will get. I think whoever gets him in the portal next year will be very happy with him.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

II- mouth piece for the gug
IB- Homers
ISD- probably most free form
On3- likes to follow the company-line (supposedly getting better)

This is how I view it. Could change.

Goolsby - drunk and angry

 

[Free Manera]

Neither Leonard or Angeli are complete QBs. To get to the playoff, and make any kind of run, ND will need both of them to play.

 

[NDisme]

We need Steve Leonard, just like we needed Brandon Book

 

[Irish5Saint]

II- mouth piece for the gug
IB- Homers
ISD- probably most free form
On3- likes to follow the company-line (supposedly getting better)

This is how I view it. Could change.

I’d say II is the best connected on beat reporting. I think they’re healthy skeptics.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

ISD has always been the go-to for me. II is too close to power that they often become a mouth piece for propaganda. I do like Brice though. And I'll give TP props for pushing Denbrock on the NIU second half game plan when it was clear something was up with Riley AND the RBs still weren't getting touches.

Christian and Matt's intel for recruiting is hard to be rivaled. And I haven't seen anyone come close to Jamie's film review and player profiling. People gripe about Mike, but he's still clearly tied into the program and his insider info is valuable to listeners.

In terms of Steve vs Riley, I think the OL injuries just solidified Riley as the starter for the rest of the season. Steve doesn't have the escapability or the run threat that Riley has and it'll become an even bigger factor now.

 

[Giddyup]

Spindler and Coogan aren’t chumps.

 

[bumpdaddy]

There is divide amongst those not actually on the team. Every fanbase does this. If he was better, they wouldn't have went out and got Leonard.

What was discussed by the beat writers and this board at the time, myself included, was the fact that ND had to look for a portal QB no matter what because the QB room was too thin and too young. They had just lost 2 QBs to the portal the year before in Pyne and Buchner and would have had only SA, KM, and CJ to start the spring. MF couldn't risk SA or KM winning the starting job, the other transferring, and then being left with only 1 inexperienced QB as the starter and only 1 scholarship backup who happened to be a true freshman.

They had to get a portal QB.

Now, if one of those 3 guys had been a Trevor Lawrence MF might have come to a different conclusion, but I don't think this was simply a matter of they didn't think Angeli was good enough to be a starter. Maybe they thought that, but I think it's much more likely they thought their QB room was too thin and too inexperienced, so once they committed to looking for a portal QB, they also committed to finding someone they thought would be the starter for 1 year and then hope that they would have at least 3 scholarship QBs to start the year rather than 2. The fact they ended up with all 4 sticking around was a great development (I think RL's injury played a huge role in SA's decision to stay).

Now, none of this is to say I don't think MF shouldn't have some buyer's remorse. I think he made the right decision to go after a portal QB. And with what most experts knew at the time, it was also likely the right decision to go after RL. BUT, now that they've had ample time to coach and evaluate him, there is no good reason to stick with him as the starter no matter what. By now, MF and staff should know whether or not RL gives them their best chance to win. I don't think he does, but I also think the staff plans to stick with him until the next time the offense struggles in a game. If that's the plan I hope they make a switch in enough time to make a difference and then commit to that switch.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Goolsby - drunk and angry

he actually has a full-time job IIRC. I think he’s in dental sales or something. I’m sure he gets little side hustle $/perks from podcasting but doubt it would pay all his bills.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

ISD has always been the go-to for me. II is too close to power that they often become a mouth piece for propaganda. I do like Brice though. And I'll give TP props for pushing Denbrock on the NIU second half game plan when it was clear something was up with Riley AND the RBs still weren't getting touches.

Christian and Matt's intel for recruiting is hard to be rivaled. And I haven't seen anyone come close to Jamie's film review and player profiling. People gripe about Mike, but he's still clearly tied into the program and his insider info is valuable to listeners.

In terms of Steve vs Riley, I think the OL injuries just solidified Riley as the starter for the rest of the season. Steve doesn't have the escapability or the run threat that Riley has and it'll become an even bigger factor now.

You realize a quarterback’s main job is passing the football right?

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

he actually has a full-time job IIRC. I think he’s in dental sales or something. I’m sure he gets little side hustle $/perks from podcasting but doubt it would pay all his bills.

I know he trains kids too

 

[CanadalovesND]

I know he trains kids too

It's his weekend job.

Goolsby, at 40, is a hustler. Three jobs bringing home that bacon.

 

[LifelongFan]

Skip II's post-game Overtime.

It's a half hour of ridiculing fans saying outrageous things like "Rendell doesn't punt well" and "RL hasn't passed well."

I opened up this thread to say this. They seem to not get why people are upset about Leonard's performance.

 

[LifelongFan]

It's his weekend job.

Goolsby, at 40, is a hustler. Three jobs bringing home that bacon.

If he's busy on the weekend and not watching football, that explains why he was in love with Buchner.

 

[Huntr]

Prister pumping sunshine, as usual.

 

[IrishSpartan]

I don’t get why all the beat guys outside of ISD and Brice are neglecting the real problem with RL. Yes he runs great but Purdue ran man the whole time. We are very well built to deal with man. But with the way he’s playing teams are just going to play zone and make him throw to win and with his accuracy and failure to go through reads it’s going to be a problem. Yes RL played great on Saturday but all of his throws were first read and within 6 yards. It’s an issue.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I don’t get why all the beat guys outside of ISD and Brice are neglecting the real problem with RL. Yes he runs great but Purdue ran man the whole time. We are very well built to deal with man. But with the way he’s playing teams are just going to play zone and make him throw to win and with his accuracy and failure to go through reads it’s going to be a problem. Yes RL played great on Saturday but all of his throws were first read and within 6 yards. It’s an issue.

Agreed on all counts.

If people are content still being upset about losing to NIU, that's on them, though. It's done. I'm far more interested in what they're going to do offensively moving forward to avoid another loss like it, because "just run the damn ball" only works until it doesn't. Then when you have to throw, it's fuck around and find out time.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Agreed on all counts.

If people are content still being upset about losing to NIU, that's on them, though. It's done. I'm far more interested in what they're going to do offensively moving forward to avoid another loss like it, because "just run the damn ball" only works until it doesn't. Then when you have to throw, it's fuck around and find out time.

Yeah I really don’t care about the NIU game anymore it’s over and done with but now anytime it seems that someone mentions this issue the beat just says that we need to move on about NIU. They are neglecting the fact that people are not talking about NIU.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

You realize a quarterback’s main job is passing the football right?

I think you may have missed my point. If the OL can't protect the QB, then a statue of a pocket passer is useless. Steve took a couple really bad sacks against Purdue. Riley absolutely needs to get better at throwing the ball, but if the OL can't keep the QB upright, then a mobile QB is what will be necessary to keep the offense on the field. It may not look pretty, but I just have a feeling it's exactly what we're going to see.

Yes, prior to the OL injuries, I was yelling at my TV for a change. And for transparency, I mean similar to how BK used Golson/Rees back in the day. I still believe that Angeli would've gotten the offense out of their funk against NIU and they would've won that game. But that doesn't mean that I think Steve needs to be the starter and RL gets benched (especially given the OL injuries). Denbrock will get it figured out.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I don’t get why all the beat guys outside of ISD and Brice are neglecting the real problem with RL. Yes he runs great but Purdue ran man the whole time. We are very well built to deal with man. But with the way he’s playing teams are just going to play zone and make him throw to win and with his accuracy and failure to go through reads it’s going to be a problem. Yes RL played great on Saturday but all of his throws were first read and within 6 yards. It’s an issue.

Agreed. It's one of the main reasons why I can't listen to II anymore, or when I do, it's because of Brice.

They have two weeks until UL to get this offense going. I think the OL injuries will cause some issues, but I also feel like a Golson/Rees 2.0 experiment could be in the works if RL continues to struggle throwing. He's way too valuable with his legs, but they have got to figure out something in the pass game.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

What I hope to see from RL this weekend is the exact same thing he did against Purdue. Just run the damn ball and put up a shit ton of points. I want to go into Louisville with them expectatinh that is our game plan. Then vs Louisville I want to improvements from him in the passing game, going through progressions and throwing down the field more. He can't be one dimensional against Louisville

My expectation is ND runs same concepts vs Miami that they ran vs Purdue. Miami looks to be better defending the pass based on pass efficiency D. My hope is ND can get a comfortable enough lead to allow RL to build on his pass reps b/c he’s gonna need them when UL comes to town.

It’s waaaay too early, but as of now; I’m guessing Purdue is easily the worst team on this schedule.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

They have two weeks until UL to get this offense going. I think the OL injuries will cause some issues, but I also feel like a Golson/Rees 2.0 experiment could be in the works if RL continues to struggle throwing. He's way too valuable with his legs, but they have got to figure out something in the pass game.

This is exactly what I hope they end up doing.

 

[FWIrish4]

Prister pumping sunshine, as usual.

I mean where was the lie in his response?

Everyone agrees, the accuracy has to get better. Can he? He did it at Duke at the level we need, but I think missing half of last season and this spring really hurt his development. I’m not sure if he can but the offense play calls are getting better and more suited for him and the offense as a whole (see screenshot below). I’m pretty sure they have a leash on him and aren’t afraid to put Angeli in (should have in the NIU game).

There is no excuse why the offensive game plan was to drop Riley back to throw 32 times with 1 play action pass AND not running him once after the 2nd quarter in the NIU game.

 

[Huntr]

I mean where was the lie in his response?

Everyone agrees, the accuracy has to get better. Can he? He did it at Duke at the level we need, but I think missing half of last season and this spring really hurt his development. I’m not sure if he can but the offense play calls are getting better and more suited for him and the offense as a whole (see screenshot below). I’m pretty sure they have a leash on him and aren’t afraid to put Angeli in (should have in the NIU game).

There is no excuse why the offensive game plan was to drop Riley back to throw 32 times with 1 play action pass AND not running him once after the 2nd quarter in the NIU game.

He's downplaying RL's problems, just like he and O'Malley did Saturday night in their Overtime podcast.

RL has more issues than just accuracy.