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Im confident he would of short hoped for the INT that RL threw in the NIU game. We will see who is more correct at the end of the season if we keep playing RL. You think we will be in the playoffs and I think we will be playing in the whatcouldhavebeen.com bowl.

What do we do next year? Go back to the portal?
If we lose two and certainly if we lose three games, there’s no reason to keep playing Leonard. He won’t make the NFL and we’ll need to build for next season. So you play some combo of the younger guys at that point.

Until then, I could see a rotational or package approach. Leonard opens our running game because he’s so good at that. But yeah he’s atrocious as a downfield passer and three years in to his career as a college starter it’s hard to see how that changes.
 

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If we lose two and certainly if we lose three games, there’s no reason to keep playing Leonard. He won’t make the NFL and we’ll need to build for next season. So you play some combo of the younger guys at that point.

Until then, I could see a rotational or package approach. Leonard opens our running game because he’s so good at that. But yeah he’s atrocious as a downfield passer and three years in to his career as a college starter it’s hard to see how that changes.

Riley isn’t making the NFL period.
 

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If we lose two and certainly if we lose three games, there’s no reason to keep playing Leonard. He won’t make the NFL and we’ll need to build for next season. So you play some combo of the younger guys at that point.

Until then, I could see a rotational or package approach. Leonard opens our running game because he’s so good at that. But yeah he’s atrocious as a downfield passer and three years in to his career as a college starter it’s hard to see how that changes.
There is no if for me. Playing Leonard doesn't give us the best chance to win. I also hate the arguments on the board about not having WRs. We don't know what we do or don't have because RL can't get them the ball. I loved that we seen WRs with the ball in their hands and that was due to backup QBs.
 

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Some thoughts watching the recording delayed (not live) and rewatching it again on Sunday.

Obviously great job by defense. Could have had another pick 6 and the only score was because of our guys taking each other our on the 3rd string. Nothing more to be said this week.

Offense. Lots of good but still lots to question.

Let's start with run blocking. It seems like when we ran counter, the pulling lineman would both block the same defender when there was another person to block. The RBs made the most of it. J Love's lung TD run was an example. Two lineman pulling, crashed into the same defender, leaving the linebacker unblocked and untouched. Love just team parallel to him until he turned the corner and outran him. There was another play pulling left where the OL did the same thing but live did a little hop over the defender and picked up 10 yards. These are going to get stuffed against better defenses/athletes. Unless someone tells me otherwise, I assume they aren't picking up the right run blocking assignments. This is all before the injuries, btw.

I thought we were done with end arounds to Jayden Thomas?

Riley Leonard doesn't have great vision - a few examples in less subtle ways. First play was his first touchdown he ran in from about 3 yards out. Well blocked and as he gets into the end zone he makes a cut right into the direction of the TE blocking the defender. It's like he had that cut in mind even though in a non-end zone situation he would have been tackled. The left side was wide open. Not significant because it already resulted in a TD, but I find that telling how he can't see that.

Next play, second quarter, shortly after the JT end around. The snap was at 4:46. RL throws it low to JT on the in cut. JT basically didn't make a strong cut because it's clear her didn't think he was going to get the ball! He was double covered but RL locked in on him and threw it anyway. JT was surprised the ball even went his direction and reacted late to the low throw. Inaccuracy aside, it should have not been thrown at all.

The next snap was the obviously wide open JL wheel route for a TD that RL kept and ran for 10 yards. Sigh.

Listening to the audio I just noticed a drunk girl saying, "Hold that mother-f'r or mother-f'ing" something before the commentators started talking again. The perils of crowd noise microphones I guess lol.
 

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Some thoughts watching the recording delayed (not live) and rewatching it again on Sunday.

Obviously great job by defense. Could have had another pick 6 and the only score was because of our guys taking each other our on the 3rd string. Nothing more to be said this week.

Offense. Lots of good but still lots to question.

Let's start with run blocking. It seems like when we ran counter, the pulling lineman would both block the same defender when there was another person to block. The RBs made the most of it. J Love's lung TD run was an example. Two lineman pulling, crashed into the same defender, leaving the linebacker unblocked and untouched. Love just team parallel to him until he turned the corner and outran him. There was another play pulling left where the OL did the same thing but live did a little hop over the defender and picked up 10 yards. These are going to get stuffed against better defenses/athletes. Unless someone tells me otherwise, I assume they aren't picking up the right run blocking assignments. This is all before the injuries, btw.

I thought we were done with end arounds to Jayden Thomas?

Riley Leonard doesn't have great vision - a few examples in less subtle ways. First play was his first touchdown he ran in from about 3 yards out. Well blocked and as he gets into the end zone he makes a cut right into the direction of the TE blocking the defender. It's like he had that cut in mind even though in a non-end zone situation he would have been tackled. The left side was wide open. Not significant because it already resulted in a TD, but I find that telling how he can't see that.

Next play, second quarter, shortly after the JT end around. The snap was at 4:46. RL throws it low to JT on the in cut. JT basically didn't make a strong cut because it's clear her didn't think he was going to get the ball! He was double covered but RL locked in on him and threw it anyway. JT was surprised the ball even went his direction and reacted late to the low throw. Inaccuracy aside, it should have not been thrown at all.

The next snap was the obviously wide open JL wheel route for a TD that RL kept and ran for 10 yards. Sigh.

Listening to the audio I just noticed a drunk girl saying, "Hold that mother-f'r or mother-f'ing" something before the commentators started talking again. The perils of crowd noise microphones I guess lol.
I heard that same thing on Saturday on the crowd microphone, pretty funny!
 

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It does not appear that Leonard can throw it far enough for Mitchell to be effective, nor accurately enough to throw for a TD in short yardage. Gonna have to bust a screen pass maybe.

This here says Greathouse played 12 snaps. (I don't think this count includes special teams, but not certain). Between the run-heavy gameplan and letting the backups eat the entire second half, I wouldn't read too much into WR snap counts from yesterday.

Crap, forgot Colzie was still in the team. Must be prioritizing getting his degree. Smart move.
 

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There is no if for me. Playing Leonard doesn't give us the best chance to win. I also hate the arguments on the board about not having WRs. We don't know what we do or don't have because RL can't get them the ball. I loved that we seen WRs with the ball in their hands and that was due to backup QBs.

Collins has been open a lot
 

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Can someone in the press ask Freeman about our punter? Guy has been total Ass. We have won in spite of him but at some point he will back us into a corner. Guy needs to get his shit together.
 

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But it does matter. If he can't do it against Purdue who stacks the box and plays man with a single high he won't be able to do it against better teams. You know he can run try and get him going and confident in the passing game is what we need
 

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But it does matter. If he can't do it against Purdue who stacks the box and plays man with a single high he won't be able to do it against better teams. You know he can run try and get him going and confident in the passing game is what we need
Which was the plan last week vs NIU…….

They ran the ball over the team that like you said stacked the box. This was a response game. The TEAM did not need him to gain confindence by throwing it all over. They needed a dominate win.
 

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Playing devils advocated here. Love and Price probably don't see their explosive plays happen if it wasn't for RL.
He absolutely opens up the running game. If only he could throw. There’s got to be some middle ground here.
 

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No last week they couldn't run him because he was hurt which showed he can't throw the ball down field which a good team is going to take away the run and make you beat them with the pass it is obvious that's why they stopped running him after the first quarter against NIU and you think we are going to be able to just run on a team that's playoff bound you're nuts
 

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No last week they couldn't run him because he was hurt which showed he can't throw the ball down field which a good team is going to take away the run and make you beat them with the pass it is obvious that's why they stopped running him after the first quarter against NIU and you think we are going to be able to just run on a team that's playoff bound you're nuts
I don’t think anyone here is saying that.
He either has to get better at passing or we have to rotate or replace him with someone who is.
But Leonard’s legs are also a weapon.
 

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No last week they couldn't run him because he was hurt which showed he can't throw the ball down field which a good team is going to take away the run and make you beat them with the pass it is obvious that's why they stopped running him after the first quarter against NIU and you think we are going to be able to just run on a team that's playoff bound you're nuts
 

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Playing devils advocated here. Love and Price probably don't see their explosive plays happen if it wasn't for RL.
Those two big runs happened because of their speed IMO. I think it was the Love run, the defender was right there and had him in his sights, but Love just ran past him.
 

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No last week they couldn't run him because he was hurt which showed he can't throw the ball down field which a good team is going to take away the run and make you beat them with the pass it is obvious that's why they stopped running him after the first quarter against NIU and you think we are going to be able to just run on a team that's playoff bound you're nuts
Commas and periods are still in vogue.
 
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