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Trump brings it up at his rallies? Is it not fair game that the whole world gets to see it?

" But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name"

Boy, sure seems like he said very fine people. We're supposed to think he meant that the very fine people were there that weren't nazi's were pro-Robert E Lee? Those are the nice people? lol

What abortion lies? Which ones lmao.
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She said states weren't doing abortions at 9 months or the crazy shit Northam said.
 

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They're planning to shut down coal plants.. But every time they do, they keep turning them back on because their renewable supply is not enough to keep up with demand. They're also building new natural gas plants



So who is really telling the truth?
 

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Trump brings it up at his rallies? Is it not fair game that the whole world gets to see it?

" But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name"

Boy, sure seems like he said very fine people. We're supposed to think he meant that the very fine people were there that weren't nazi's were pro-Robert E Lee? Those are the nice people? lol

What abortion lies? Which ones lmao.
You are so fucking disingenuous. Conveniently leaving out "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."
 

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Trump brings it up at his rallies? Is it not fair game that the whole world gets to see it?

" But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name"

Boy, sure seems like he said very fine people. We're supposed to think he meant that the very fine people were there that weren't nazi's were pro-Robert E Lee? Those are the nice people? lol

What abortion lies? Which ones lmao.
We're 7 years removed from this event and you're still gobbling up the left wing garbage that has proven to be untrue? Another reason I'm glad you're a Canuck, and the Dems would love to have you as a voter down here.
 

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You are so fucking disingenuous. Conveniently leaving out "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."

Cool your jets little bro, the very fine people who are pro-Robert E Lee who somehow don't fall into the Nazi/White nationalist bucket are fine people? Those people?

I'm so glad you're getting worked up that I think it's wrong to call Robert E Lee supporters bad people and should not be called very fine.

We're 7 years removed from this event and you're still gobbling up the left wing garbage that has proven to be untrue? Another reason I'm glad you're a Canuck, and the Dems would love to have you as a voter down here.

Gobbling? I posted my thoughts. Republican's love me more, I pay more in taxes then most of their sub 90 IQ voters who are so peasant brained they think some random ass immigrant is going to steal their shitass job lmao. "I didn't go to university because it's a liberal scam, and now a refugee is taking my job!!!!" lol
 

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Cool your jets little bro, the very fine people who are pro-Robert E Lee who somehow don't fall into the Nazi/White nationalist bucket are fine people? Those people?

I'm so glad you're getting worked up that I think it's wrong to call Robert E Lee supporters bad people and should not be called very fine.



Gobbling? I posted my thoughts. Republican's love me more, I pay more in taxes then most of their sub 90 IQ voters who are so peasant brained they think some random ass immigrant is going to steal their shitass job lmao. "I didn't go to university because it's a liberal scam, and now a refugee is taking my job!!!!" lol
They aren't your thoughts, they're your refusal to accept reality that Trump didn't call Nazi's very fine people. It's been proven over and over again as shown above by other posters, yet 7 years later you still repeat the garbage that's fed to you.

Whether that's Kamala, ABC News or Brooklyn Dad on Twitter I don't know, but yes you're being fed lies on that event and gobbling it up.
 

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They aren't your thoughts, they're your refusal to accept reality that Trump didn't call Nazi's very fine people. It's been proven over and over again as shown above by other posters, yet 7 years later you still repeat the garbage that's fed to you.

Whether that's Kamala, ABC News or Brooklyn Dad on Twitter I don't know, but yes you're being fed lies on that event and gobbling it up.
Is Kamala, ABC News or Brooklyn Dad in the room with us right now? Because I can tell you that I wrote my thoughts and not them.

Let me explain it for you - I am accepting Trump condemning Nazi's and White supremacists, that leaves a portion of the people remaining in which Trump said there were fine people on the side of protecting the Robert E Lee statute. Do you consider those people to be very fine? I certainly don't.
 

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Cool your jets little bro, the very fine people who are pro-Robert E Lee who somehow don't fall into the Nazi/White nationalist bucket are fine people? Those people?

I'm so glad you're getting worked up that I think it's wrong to call Robert E Lee supporters bad people and should not be called very fine.
Yes, there were plenty of those who opposed removing statues that were not neo Nazis, because they knew (correctly) that statues of Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and even Abraham Lincoln would be next.
 
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Yes, there were plenty of those who opposed removing statues that were not neo Nazis, because they knew (correctly) that statues of Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and even Abraham Lincoln would be next.
Call me crazy but the country shouldn't be honoring Lee or any other Confederate that fought against the Union. We should have never erected statues or named military bases after a bunch of rebel losers. Only in America tho with our participation trophies do losers get that kind of recognition.
 

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Call me crazy but the country shouldn't be honoring Lee or any other Confederate that fought against the Union. We should have never erected statues or named military bases after a bunch of rebel losers. Only in America tho with our participation trophies do losers get that kind of recognition.
I mean I agree completely that we should have gotten rid of confederate statues, but I don't think that automatically makes those that were against it Neo-Nazis as Toronto does
 

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I mean I agree completely that we should have gotten rid of confederate statues, but I don't think that automatically makes those that were against it Neo-Nazis as Toronto does
And you called me "fucking disingenuous"

This is what I said "Cool your jets little bro, the very fine people who are pro-Robert E Lee who somehow don't fall into the Nazi/White nationalist bucket are fine people? Those people?"

So, you're agreeing with my point but then just making shit up because you don't like my opinions lol. You offered promise, I thought you wouldn't be like your older counterparts.
 

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Piece of shit moderators letting him get away with another lie.

Anyone calling Germany's energy policy a success is either lying or ignorant. They are voluntarily destroying their manufacturing economy to appease the climate gods. This guy has been on it for a long time ringing the alarm that Europe is well on it's way to being an open air museum.


Dem utopia!


Love the follow up #4 - outsource defense to US




LOL "However, Germany is still European champion in two categories: 1. Arrogant lecturing other countries how they should run their economies and societies 2. Green moralism"


 

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And you called me "fucking disingenuous"

This is what I said "Cool your jets little bro, the very fine people who are pro-Robert E Lee who somehow don't fall into the Nazi/White nationalist bucket are fine people? Those people?"

So, you're agreeing with my point but then just making shit up because you don't like my opinions lol. You offered promise, I thought you wouldn't be like your older counterparts.
You used a partial quote that Kamala and Biden have used as a response to a claim that Kamala was lying about Trump explicitly referring to Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists "very fine people", which is disingenous. And further insinuating that everybody who doesn't want to remove statues as being a Nazi/White Nationalist is also disingenous and wrong
 

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You used a partial quote that Kamala and Biden have used as a response to a claim that Kamala was lying about Trump explicitly referring to Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists "very fine people", which is disingenous. And further insinuating that everybody who doesn't want to remove statues as being a Nazi/White Nationalist is also disingenous and wrong
I used a partial quote from Donald Trump not Kamala/Biden. I wrote my post here without them advising me.

My point is that if we remove the nazi/white nationalist people, it is still wrong to call people that are pro-Robert E Lee as "very fine people" wrong - how hard is it to say that? Can you understand that, or do you still not get it?
 

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I used a partial quote from Donald Trump not Kamala/Biden. I wrote my post here without them advising me.

My point is that if we remove the nazi/white nationalist people, it is still wrong to call people that are pro-Robert E Lee as "very fine people" wrong - how hard is it to say that? Can you understand that, or do you still not get it?
If you look at the overall framing of that press conference and what questions he was being asked, the media was tying in everybody who protested against the statue being taken down as violent right wing extremists. I think you can disagree with somebody who wants to maintain historic statues but still think they are a fine person exercising their 1st amendment rights. I think that there are people who protest for a lot of things that I find morally repugnant (like abortion, defunding the police, etc.) that are still very fine people.
 

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If you look at the overall framing of that press conference and what questions he was being asked, the media was tying in everybody who protested against the statue being taken down as violent right wing extremists. I think you can disagree with somebody who wants to maintain historic statues but still think they are a fine person exercising their 1st amendment rights. I think that there are people who protest for a lot of things that I find morally repugnant (like abortion, defunding the police, etc.) that are still very fine people.
That's fine, you're not speaking to CNN or MSNBC or Fox News - you're speaking to me. I am willing to give Trump a charitable interpretation that he means that the people WHO ARENT NAZI'S OR WHITE NATIONALISTS are very nice people. Those people I do not think are very nice people who should be pointed out as fucking morons.

He should always be called out for saying confederate apologists are very nice people. What are we doing here, we're talking about confederates lmao. My fucking god is it that tough?
 

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That's fine, you're not speaking to CNN or MSNBC or Fox News - you're speaking to me. I am willing to give Trump a charitable interpretation that he means that the people WHO ARENT NAZI'S OR WHITE NATIONALISTS are very nice people. Those people I do not think are very nice people who should be pointed out as fucking morons.

He should always be called out for saying confederate apologists are very nice people. What are we doing here, we're talking about confederates lmao. My fucking god is it that tough?
Again I think we just have a fundamental difference of what is considered confederate apologia. Certainly the movement to put up those statutes from the late 1880s into the 1960s was fueled by confederate apologia and racism, but I don't think that necessarily makes the people who grew up in that culture with those statues and names as bad people. They were raised with a revisionist version of history and that's something we can address as a society (like by taking down the statues of people who were clear enemies of the United States), but again I don't think that makes them fundamentally bad people, confederate apologists directly, or neo nazis/white supremacists. I grew up in Central Virginia, drove on "Jefferson Davis Highway" every day on my way to school, and frequently would drive down Monument Avenue in Richmond when my family would go into the city. I was at first against taking down the statues because I thought they were apart of the history of the city and the people who lived there, but as I grew older and learned more about the context in which those statues were constructed, my mind was changed. Was I a bad person/Confederate apologist/racist?
 

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Again I think we just have a fundamental difference of what is considered confederate apologia. Certainly the movement to put up those statutes from the late 1880s into the 1960s was fueled by confederate apologia and racism, but I don't think that necessarily makes the people who grew up in that culture with those statues and names as bad people. They were raised with a revisionist version of history and that's something we can address as a society (like by taking down the statues of people who were clear enemies of the United States), but again I don't think that makes them fundamentally bad people, confederate apologists directly, or neo nazis/white supremacists. I grew up in Central Virginia, drove on "Jefferson Davis Highway" every day on my way to school, and frequently would drive down Monument Avenue in Richmond when my family would go into the city. I was at first against taking down the statues because I thought they were apart of the history of the city and the people who lived there, but as I grew older and learned more about the context in which those statues were constructed, my mind was changed. Was I a bad person/Confederate apologist/racist?

You are no a confederate apologist/racist because you understood why the statues were put up much much later than before the civil war. My classification is that if you (not you personally) are going to a protest about a topic you are presenting yourself as someone who is knowledgeable on that subject. Whether or not you actually are is on you. So, if a person goes to protest ABC they are going with the intent on defending their position, if that position turns out to be centered in something that is inherently awful (confederates) you are rightfully going to face criticism. If I don't know who Warren Jeffs is and I think that he's a religious leader who got wrongfully prosecuted and I get called a fucking moron, it is my responsibility to understand his history.
 
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