‘21 AL QB Riley Leonard (Duke Transfer - Notre Dame Verbal)

[dublinirish]

Some of youse are not terminally online and it shows


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[stlnd01]

Correct, this joke has been played out for around a year now. But it's also about what I'd expect as far as peak contributions from a barstool Twitter account.

I mean, the Northeastern president one was pretty good.

 

[irishandy]

She reminds of Deuce...she's just taking other visits.

 

[NDWarrior]

A bit click baity, but some fair assessments here. I’m especially concerned about #4, that he will too easily be a tuck and runner and not be an accurate passer, but we’ll see and will give him the benefit of the doubt. A reason I don’t have a bigger ND concern is because I feel (hope?) that if that does play out, then Denbrock, Gino and MFMF start to ease in CJC (or secondarily, one of the other QBs) and he excels a la Trevor Lawrence replacing Kelly Bryant by game 5 in 2018. Notre Dame QB Riley Leonard: Why Irish Fans Should Be Worried

 

[NDWarrior]

A pretty fair assessment here. I’m especially concerned about #4, that he will too easily be a tuck and runner and not be an accurate passer, but we’ll see and will give him the benefit of the doubt. A reason I don’t have a bigger ND concern is because I feel (hope?) that if that does play out, then Denbrock, Gino and MFMF start to ease in CJC (or secondarily, one of the other QBs) and he excels a la Trevor Lawrence replacing Kelly Bryant by game 5! Notre Dame QB Riley Leonard: Why Irish Fans Should Be Worried

In case you are wondering what ever happened to Kelly Bryant…. Clemson quarterback who lost job to Trevor Lawrence makes shock career change. I can’t see if he ever made it and joined The WWE.

 

[JamIrish]

Season Passing yards prop bets were released. They got Riley Leonard at 2,525yds. That's an average of 210 yds a game. I was hoping to see it closer to the 2800. Let's hope the Irish are playing with comfortable leads most of the season and we see the backups get plenty of reps

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Season Passing yards prop bets were released. They got Riley Leonard at 2,525yds. That's an average of 210 yds a game. I was hoping to see it closer to the 2800. Let's hope the Irish are playing with comfortable leads most of the season and we see the backups get plenty of reps

There’s also a nonzero chance he gets hurt and he misses some time, so that gets baked in and decreases the line.

If we condition on him playing every game this year, agree he’ll almost certainly go over. True expectation there would probably be in like the 230-250 ypg range

 

[T-Boone]

The hawk Tua girl has been seen hanging out with me.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Season Passing yards prop bets were released. They got Riley Leonard at 2,525yds. That's an average of 210 yds a game. I was hoping to see it closer to the 2800. Let's hope the Irish are playing with comfortable leads most of the season and we see the backups get plenty of reps

He will be running so potential for inury. I don't know what the historical injury rate of RPO QBs is but set it at 7% for fun

He will have the strongest supporting cast of pass-catching options. The combo of WRs, TEs and RBs might be the best we've had in 10 years. Purely speculative but we're going 8 deep in the WR room at least, 2 potential breakout stars at TE and 2 potential breakout RBs with a couple of strong freshmen pushing for roles. There are probably 3-4 players with breakaway speed.

The OL will determine a lot. Quick game, misdirections and the pressure of running the ball will hopefully wear down the aggressive pass rushes and buy Leonard some time for down field shots.

The schedule sets up nicely for some big number games. If it were a small money bet or part of a larger play, I'd take the bet with the understanding injury and substitutions could kill it.

 

[FU BK]

The hawk Tua girl has been seen hanging out with me.

I thought she was hanging out with Brick....a little hawk tuah, spit on that Thang before he piihb

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Season Passing yards prop bets were released. They got Riley Leonard at 2,525yds. That's an average of 210 yds a game. I was hoping to see it closer to the 2800. Let's hope the Irish are playing with comfortable leads most of the season and we see the backups get plenty of reps

I remember last season leading up to ND, they had Riley pass on most downs vs lesser teams to avoid potential injury running the ball. It paid off until he actually had to use his legs vs ND

 

[NDpendent]

I thought she was hanging out with Brick....a little hawk tuah, spit on that Thang before he piihb

Bricks legendary status on this board would be on another level if these rumors hold true

 

[PutuporShutup]

He will be running so potential for inury. I don't know what the historical injury rate of RPO QBs is but set it at 7% for fun

He will have the strongest supporting cast of pass-catching options. The combo of WRs, TEs and RBs might be the best we've had in 10 years. Purely speculative but we're going 8 deep in the WR room at least, 2 potential breakout stars at TE and 2 potential breakout RBs with a couple of strong freshmen pushing for roles. There are probably 3-4 players with breakaway speed.

The OL will determine a lot. Quick game, misdirections and the pressure of running the ball will hopefully wear down the aggressive pass rushes and buy Leonard some time for down field shots.

The schedule sets up nicely for some big number games. If it were a small money bet or part of a larger play, I'd take the bet with the understanding injury and substitutions could kill it.

I fully expect him to have 15 or more runs vs A&M and less than 5 vs NIU, purdue, and Miami

 

[GrangerIrish24]

The hawk Tua girl has been seen hanging out with me.

Man her 15 minutes must be already over then.

 

[a mike]

Those all seem like legitimate concerns to me.

Nothing to date on the field has shown Leonard to be the type of guy who is going to sit back in the pocket, go thru multiple progressions, accurately deliver the ball down the field, and summarily pick a defense apart with an overly cerebral football mind and arm talent. His first round hype was based upon the physical measurables and presumptions on how his game would progress from his first year starter performance. But unfortunately for him, that was all basically derailed due to injuries.

Probably realistic expectations are a bigger/stronger Ian Book who perhaps isn't as hesitant to push the ball down field over 15 yards in the air absent a receiver being wide open by 8 yards--because "Oh no, what if I throw an interception". Or maybe a more accurate Brandon Wimbush. But if he can prove to be more of a 2015 Kizer as a passer, I think ND will have a really good season.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Those all seem like legitimate concerns to me.

Nothing to date on the field has shown Leonard to be the type of guy who is going to sit back in the pocket, go thru multiple progressions, accurately deliver the ball down the field, and summarily pick a defense apart with an overly cerebral football mind and arm talent. His first round hype was based upon the physical measurables and presumptions on how his game would progress from his first year starter performance. But unfortunately for him, that was all basically derailed due to injuries.

Probably realistic expectations are a bigger/stronger Ian Book who perhaps isn't as hesitant to push the ball down field over 15 yards in the air absent a receiver being wide open by 8 yards--because "Oh no, what if I throw an interception". Or maybe a more accurate Brandon Wimbush. But if he can prove to be more of a 2015 Kizer as a passer, I think ND will have a really good season.

I don't know about the Wimbush comparisons because his game was so skewed by the inability to pass consistently.

Kizer would take deep shots and had above average accuracy but was not a great athlete in terms of escapability.

• 2800 yds in the air, 15:10
• 500 yds via ~130 att over his two years. He just threw too many interceptions, he improved that to a 26:9 on an awful 2016 team

Ian book was very similar in 2020:

• ~2800 yds in the air. 15:3 ratio
• ~500 yds via 114 att on the ground

Leonard in his lone healthy season as a starter had:

• ~3000 yds passing with a 20:6 ratio
• ~700 yds on 124 carries
• He had 3 RBs on that team that each contributed 500 yds, he was the leading rusher that year, meaning he made them better than they'd have been otherwise.

It isn't unreasonable to expect better RB production compared to his Duke team. Love, Price and Williams (maybe Kedren too) should combine for over 2k yards. The WRs and TEs appear to be much better from what's been reported.

If we can get Leonard to repeat his 22 performance with this better collection of talent around him + Denbrock pushing him to be more aggressive with the deep shots, it's not unreasonable to think he could hit 3000 yds passing, 600+ rushing and be in the neighborhood of 30 TD passes and 8-10 INTs.

I'm upselling his passing acumen and downplaying his athleticism because I don't think they need to rely on him for more than 50 yds/game rushing (designed + scrambles). 8-10 attempts is what he avg'd at Duke.

 

[a mike]

Kizer would take deep shots and had above average accuracy

because I don't think they need to rely on him for more than 50 yds/game rushing

Agree. Leonards willingness to take deep shots and be fairly accurate like Kizer would be the ideal.

Once there was tape on him, Book would always put the offense in a small, easy to defend box--not too dissimilar from Rees--because DCs knew he couldn't and didn't want to throw deep on a consistent basis.

Wimbush for all his setbacks and limitations actually would throw the ball down field quite often (think Mich 2018) but overtime he showed too much poor accuracy/reads in the short game on film and it was a wrap.

Kizer was a nice mixture/compromise of the two.

I tend not to get too enamored with season total stats, especially for QBs because I don't feel the paint a picture too much on how good a QB is and there's way too many x-variables like opponents, teammates, scheme, etc. E.g. I especially remember Book's 2019 figures being bloated because he had like 1/3 of his yards and TDs that season by throwing shovel passes to Avery Davis and six yard outs to McKinley against the two worst teams on the schedule while I vividly remember how he "performed" against Georgia, USC, and Michigan.

I also agree designed runs with Leonard should be extremely limited and strategic. And I would encourage him to slide or go out of bounce prior to contact. Despite the rhetoric/propaganda--I do thrown him into the "injury prone" category at this point in his career.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

There will 100% be tight close games where the offense isn't clicking that Leonard will have to run a bunch to win the games, which actually happened several times with Kiser.

I don't think the coaches will be affraid to run him since:

(1) He has elite size
(2) We have a quality backup QB
(3) We have a freshman who looks like the future of the team behind the backup.

If Andrew Hendrix was the backup QB they'd be much more hesitant to let Leonard run.

 

[PutuporShutup]

There will 100% be tight close games where the offense isn't clicking that Leonard will have to run a bunch to win the games, which actually happened several times with Kiser.

I don't think the coaches will be affraid to run him since:

(1) He has elite size
(2) We have a quality backup QB
(3) We have a freshman who looks like the future of the team behind the backup.

If Andrew Hendrix was the backup QB they'd be much more hesitant to let Leonard run.

temple game great example for kiser


For leonard. A&M, Louisville, FSU have a dline that can cause some problem for our oline if leonard isn't running and they don't have to account for him. I expect his legs to be a weapon in those games, just like they were 2nd half vs ND last year

 

[ND87]

There will 100% be tight close games where the offense isn't clicking that Leonard will have to run a bunch to win the games, which actually happened several times with Kiser.

I don't think the coaches will be affraid to run him since:

(1) He has elite size
(2) We have a quality backup QB
(3) We have a freshman who looks like the future of the team behind the backup.

If Andrew Hendrix was the backup QB they'd be much more hesitant to let Leonard run.

That's DR. Hendrix to you.

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[NDBoiler]

That's DR. Hendrix to you.

Andrew Hendrix | Cassat Lab

www.vumc.org

I bet he one-hops whatever is in that pipet into a test tube

 

[SDIrishFan]

I bet he one-hops whatever is in that pipet into a test tube

Hahah, I fuckin bust out laughing at this, kuddos.

 

[Kingbish01]

I bet he one-hops whatever is in that pipet into a test tube

Comment of the year type shit!

 

[KMac151993]

Comment of the year type shit!

I second that...just gold.

 

[irishff1014]

I hope this young man is ready for the pressure he is getting ready to endure. I think he is good Qb but he has never played with the expectations he will have. The media, the fans, the hatred for the Irish. Can he do it?

Hartman moved the hype around this program like no other, but we didn’t get that same type of production from him on the field.

Hopefully the offensive staff has them ready to go Saturday night. I am ready to see a better structured offense from an experienced coach.

Here’s to Riley being good! Go irish

 

[KMac151993]

We are banking on a guy who put up these numbers against good defenses last year:

45/99 45% 499 yards 1 TD 3 INT...37 car. 212 yards 5.7 ypc 1 TD

...and who hasn't been healthy and on the field in 12 months. If he under performs are sunk and Angeli is playing by halftime. I hope to God he has improved, is healthy and reliable and has made GREAT strides in his game.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

We are banking on a guy who put up these numbers against good defenses last year:

45/99 45% 499 yards 1 TD 3 INT...37 car. 212 yards 5.7 ypc 1 TD

...and who hasn't been healthy and on the field in 12 months. If he under performs are sunk and Angeli is playing by halftime. I hope to God he has improved, is healthy and reliable and has made GREAT strides in his game.

You seem fun

 

[zelezo vlk]

We are banking on a guy who put up these numbers against good defenses last year:

45/99 45% 499 yards 1 TD 3 INT...37 car. 212 yards 5.7 ypc 1 TD

...and who hasn't been healthy and on the field in 12 months. If he under performs are sunk and Angeli is playing by halftime. I hope to God he has improved, is healthy and reliable and has made GREAT strides in his game.

I mean, cannot the same be said of A&M's Connor Weigman?

 

[NDBoiler]

We are banking on a guy who put up these numbers against good defenses last year:

45/99 45% 499 yards 1 TD 3 INT...37 car. 212 yards 5.7 ypc 1 TD

...and who hasn't been healthy and on the field in 12 months. If he under performs are sunk and Angeli is playing by halftime. I hope to God he has improved, is healthy and reliable and has made GREAT strides in his game.

It’s almost like banking on Kevin MacDougal in 93….

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

We are banking on a guy who put up these numbers against good defenses last year:

45/99 45% 499 yards 1 TD 3 INT...37 car. 212 yards 5.7 ypc 1 TD

...and who hasn't been healthy and on the field in 12 months. If he under performs are sunk and Angeli is playing by halftime. I hope to God he has improved, is healthy and reliable and has made GREAT strides in his game.

For those of us keeping score at home, can you tell me which games you used to compile these stats?

I don't want to bring up the fact that he was at Duke, with limited playmakers, etc. etc. I just want to be sure we're talking about the same thing.