Biden Presidency

[TorontoGold]

That is exactly right. Don't you understand, we have to be willing to do undemocratic things to save the Democracy.

I would think the progressives on this board would recognize full well how the Democratic party has manipulated the primaries.

Oh, absolutely. They ratfucked Bernie, he was polling incredibly well with young voters and had broad support.

Biden getting shoved out is not even remotely the same though. Joe did not have support other being the incumbent option, the corporate class and party elites wanted him out.

Funny enough, the GOP manipulated theirs too to install a Trump relative at the head of the RNC and made the primary process incredibly friendly to Trump.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Oh, absolutely. They ratfucked Bernie, he was polling incredibly well with young voters and had broad support.

Biden getting shoved out is not even remotely the same though. Joe did not have support other being the incumbent option, the corporate class and party elites wanted him out.

Funny enough, the GOP manipulated theirs too to install a Trump relative at the head of the RNC and made the primary process incredibly friendly to Trump.

This year or 8 years ago?

Edit:
Sorry I misread your post. NVM

 

[NorthDakota]

Is the president of the United States alive? Does anyone care? It’s incredibly weird he hasnt shown his face in 24 hours.

I have a feeling that he is really unwell at the moment.

 

[Irish#1]

That is exactly right. Don't you understand, we have to be willing to do undemocratic things to save the Democracy.

I would think the progressives on this board would recognize full well how the Democratic party has manipulated the primaries.

You just don't get it do you? They have your best interests at heart and know what you need better than you do.

 

[ulukinatme]

Me too, and where we get into uncharted territory is that if Trump doesn't want to debate her then we're not going to see a bunch of "tough questions" from the press. She has a unique opportunity between now and the convention to curate whatever version of herself her advisors think will have the broadest appeal.

I still think Trump wins, but she's on pace to raise $100M in 24 hours when Biden only had like ~$90M cash on hand and some of the lowest approval ratings we've ever seen. This is certainly stiffer competition with a lower probability of Trump landslide.

I saw something where Kamala nationally was polling similar to Biden, but she was actually doing worse in battleground states which is troubling. I think the media is doing a good job right now pushing her hard and selling this as a positive. It's renewed energy to their campaign and she's immune to some of the attacks the Trump campaign had for Biden. It'll be interesting how this pivot finishes in November. I think Kamala is her own worst enemy at this point, she could ride this wave and achieve victory, but any stumbles on her part may do more to harm her chances than any mud slinging the GOP can come up with.

 

[ulukinatme]

Oh, absolutely. They ratfucked Bernie, he was polling incredibly well with young voters and had broad support.

Biden getting shoved out is not even remotely the same though. Joe did not have support other being the incumbent option, the corporate class and party elites wanted him out.

Funny enough, the GOP manipulated theirs too to install a Trump relative at the head of the RNC and made the primary process incredibly friendly to Trump.

Gotta say that Ronnie had to go, but installing a Trump as the replacement was troubling.

 

[TorontoGold]

Gotta say that Ronnie had to go, but installing a Trump as the replacement was troubling.

I did not like her for partisan reasons, but what was so bad about her?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Another aspect of politics that has been flipped upside down is the notion that Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.

Clearly it's now the opposite.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I saw something where Kamala nationally was polling similar to Biden, but she was actually doing worse in battleground states which is troubling. I think the media is doing a good job right now pushing her hard and selling this as a positive. It's renewed energy to their campaign and she's immune to some of the attacks the Trump campaign had for Biden. It'll be interesting how this pivot finishes in November. I think Kamala is her own worst enemy at this point, she could ride this wave and achieve victory, but any stumbles on her part may do more to harm her chances than any mud slinging the GOP can come up with.

It's not the media's job to push her hard or sell her as a positive. Unless they are a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

 

[Greenore]

This isn't really a gotcha or anything. Straight up, I didn't know Kamala had a catch phrase. Never noticed she uses it frequently.

What's in "Can B", unburnt, by wax beans?

I gave it a shot.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[IrishLax]

I was reading an article yesterday that said that this was the third time in a row that the Dem race was manipulated by their elites to get the nominee they wanted. Not the voters.

Democracy indeed.

Which elites? DNC Chair Jaime Harrison who was warring on social media and threatening people to keep Biden in the race all the way up until Sunday morning? Or do you mean Biden's inner circle of appointees who made sure he didn't have to face a real primary? Or Soros who said 10 days ago that Democrats needed to unite behind Biden?

Sorry, but it's a very shallow and incorrect reading of the events to pretend it was elites vs normies and the "elites" won. Normal Democrat voters and independents polled on the topic of Biden staying in overwhelmingly wanted him to step down, which is what he ultimately did. The voters won.

 

[NDPhilly]

Biden canceled his meeting with Netanyahu tomorrow for “health reasons” and Kamala is refusing to meet with him.

Off to a hot start courting those moderate PA and Michigan voters.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Which elites? DNC Chair Jaime Harrison who was warring on social media and threatening people to keep Biden in the race all the way up until Sunday morning? Or do you mean Biden's inner circle of appointees who made sure he didn't have to face a real primary? Or Soros who said 10 days ago that Democrats needed to unite behind Biden?

Sorry, but it's a very shallow and incorrect reading of the events to pretend it was elites vs normies and the "elites" won. Normal Democrat voters and independents polled on the topic of Biden staying in overwhelmingly wanted him to step down, which is what he ultimately did. The voters won. Where they were cheated was months earlier when "elites" conspired to ensure Biden didn't have to face a real primary.

I'm talking about your last sentence in particular. And that's just this cycle.

I don't think that's very shallow. It's quite evident.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm talking about your last sentence in particular. And that's just this cycle.

I don't think that's very shallow. It's quite evident.

Right so they conspired to get Biden and instead aren't getting Biden. How did the "elites" win?

Moreover, how did the "elites" rig anything in 2020 either? It was a wide open, hotly contested primary. Bernie averaged 26% of the vote and won 1 state outright before Super Tuesday. Are you mad that candidates did the same basic thing they do in every primary for each party and dropped out when they didn't see a path? Were you mad when candidates dropped out of the Republican primary this year and endorsed Trump?

The only cycle where Democratic power brokers succeeded in clearing the field for their preferred candidate was 2016.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Right so they conspired to get Biden and instead aren't getting Biden. How did the "elites" win?

Moreover, how did the "elites" rig anything in 2020 either? It was a wide open, hotly contested primary. Bernie averaged 26% of the vote and won 1 state outright before Super Tuesday. Are you mad that candidates did the same basic thing they do in every primary for each party and dropped out when they didn't see a path? Were you mad when candidates dropped out of the Republican primary this year and endorsed Trump?

The only cycle where Democratic power brokers succeeded in clearing the field for their preferred candidate was 2016.

My memory may be off, but my recollection of 2020 was that Bernie was doing really well. With a packed field splitting the vote, it felt like there was concern that the longer everyone stayed in, increased the odds that Bernie could win the whole thing. Biden was muddling along, running a very uncompelling campaign. Suddenly it felt like everyone was dropping out (it felt like they were being pressured to drop out) and putting their support for Biden so that the Dem's wouldn't end up with a Progressive winning the nomination.

I could well be very wrong on countless parts of my recollection. LOL

 

[Sea Turtle]

Right so they conspired to get Biden and instead aren't getting Biden. How did the "elites" win?

Moreover, how did the "elites" rig anything in 2020 either? It was a wide open, hotly contested primary. Bernie averaged 26% of the vote and won 1 state outright before Super Tuesday. Are you mad that candidates did the same basic thing they do in every primary for each party and dropped out when they didn't see a path? Were you mad when candidates dropped out of the Republican primary this year and endorsed Trump?

The only cycle where Democratic power brokers succeeded in clearing the field for their preferred candidate was 2016.

But they still rigged it for Joe this time, Lax. Yiu know that. Just because Bidens condition became untenable doesn't mean that they didnt clear the field for him..

What are yiu are even arguing at this point? That the elites tried but in the end failed so it doesn't count?

 

[Sea Turtle]

My memory may be off, but my recollection of 2020 was that Bernie was doing really well. With a packed field splitting the vote, it felt like there was concern that the longer everyone stayed in, increased the odds that Bernie could win the whole thing. Biden was muddling along, running a very uncompelling campaign. Suddenly it felt like everyone was dropping out (it felt like they were being pressured to drop out) and putting their support for Biden so that the Dem's wouldn't end up with a Progressive winning the nomination.

I could well be very wrong on countless parts of my recollection. LOL

Once Bernie got hot again, they said nope. James Clyburn and the Black Caucus was tasked with getting the black vote out for Biden alone and then everyone else dropped out.

 

[IrishLax]

But they still rigged it for Joe this time, Lax. Yiu know that. Just because Bidens condition became untenable doesn't mean that they didnt clear the field for him..

What are yiu are even arguing at this point? That the elites tried but in the end failed so it doesn't count?

Correct! And the nominee isn’t Joe. Are we saying completely different things?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

But they still rigged it for Joe this time, Lax. Yiu know that. Just because Bidens condition became untenable doesn't mean that they didnt clear the field for him..

What are yiu are even arguing at this point? That the elites tried but in the end failed so it doesn't count?

Since when does either party allow legitimate challenges to an incumbent candidate?

 

[IrishLax]

My memory may be off, but my recollection of 2020 was that Bernie was doing really well. With a packed field splitting the vote, it felt like there was concern that the longer everyone stayed in, increased the odds that Bernie could win the whole thing. Biden was muddling along, running a very uncompelling campaign. Suddenly it felt like everyone was dropping out (it felt like they were being pressured to drop out) and putting their support for Biden so that the Dem's wouldn't end up with a Progressive winning the nomination.

I could well be very wrong on countless parts of my recollection. LOL

Bernie had narrowly lost/tied Buttigieg in Iowa and NH. Then he won Nevada with 35% and lost big to Biden in South Carolina. It is pretty typical for candidates to drop out before Super Tuesday and endorse someone if they don’t have a path as to not be a spoiler. Same thing happened with Trump and his opponents besides Haley this cycle. That’s what happened, and it wasn’t a conspiracy that they endorsed Biden. That’s how politics works and Bernie has long been an independent… that has consequences in a two party system. Anyone who thinks it was “rigged” when Bernie just flat out could not beat Biden head-to-head because he doesn’t have broad appeal… I gotta question their definition of rigging cuz that ain’t it.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Since when does either party allow legitimate challenges to an incumbent candidate?

Didn't Reagan challenge Ford and Kennedy challenge Carter?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Didn't Reagan challenge Ford and Kennedy challenge Carter?

Yes. 44 and 48 years ago.

 

[NorthDakota]

Is the President alive?

 

[sixstar]

Let us know when you’re the AG of North Dakota or DA of Fargo…

Should we all compare job titles before making posts so that the people with the best job titles are immediately credited with being the most intelligent?

so, what's your job title?

 

[Bluto]

Is the President alive?

That’s a legit question for sure at this point.

 

[Bluto]

A billionaire from New York, backed by west coast tech billionaires and the richest person on earth essentially controls one political party.

Being upset about elites controlling anything seems odd if you’re backing that.

 

[NorthDakota]

A billionaire from New York, backed by west coast tech billionaires and the richest person on earth essentially controls one political party.

Being upset about elites controlling anything seems odd if you’re backing that.

Yep. It is what it is I guess

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Should we all compare job titles before making posts so that the people with the best job titles are immediately credited with being the most intelligent?

so, what's your job title?

Retired at 44. Tech sales. Now I own so many rental properties that I make more money than when I was working.

I was simply making the point that Harris is hardly stupid.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Yes. 44 and 48 years ago.

You asked. And in POTUS years that’s not as long ago as it seems

 

[SeekNDestroy]

You asked. And in POTUS years that’s not as long ago as you make it.

You may be right, but it’s obviously rare. Some crazy circumstances with Ford and Carter was a disaster.