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Looks like right wing media is running with the conspiracies lol

I’m confused why you would even take the time to post this.

Someone was supposed to be on the roof, seems plausible.

Pitch of the roof. Very likely could have been a problem. If a problem that would explain the need for someone on the roof.

Telling DHS or anyone not to make a comment… seems pretty normal.

Hardly a conspiracy. Keep reaching.
 

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Just doesn't make any sense. SS Director said they didn't have anyone on the roof that the shooter was on because it was a sloped roof. All the other buildings where they did have snipers appeared to have even steeper slopes than that of the shooter.



 
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Excellent summary of things. Specifically, the 3-D model of the location of the shooter and sniper teams were much more clear and seems to be accurate.

The shooter was located towards the east part of the roof that would've definitely been obstructed by a tree as compared to the snipers that were closest to him. It would seem that the snipers that actually took him out were from the more southern position that would've likely had a less obstructed view.

 
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I’m confused why you would even take the time to post this.

Someone was supposed to be on the roof, seems plausible.

Pitch of the roof. Very likely could have been a problem. If a problem that would explain the need for someone on the roof.

Telling DHS or anyone not to make a comment… seems pretty normal.

Hardly a conspiracy. Keep reaching.
Because this is a leading MSM person trying to stir up some sort of Deep State hit job.
 

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Because this is a leading MSM person trying to stir up some sort of Deep State hit job.
Because the roof being empty due to a sloped roof while other more sloped roofs being occupied makes more sense? Nothing from that tweet screams deep state hit job. Screams incompetence, which sadly is best case scenario.
 

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Except



Dad libertarian, mom democrat… both parents social workers. This was not a Republican household.
 

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Because the roof being empty due to a sloped roof while other more sloped roofs being occupied makes more sense? Nothing from that tweet screams deep state hit job. Screams incompetence, which sadly is best case scenario.
The part that I would consider a potential conspiracy theory is that his story was that the SS Director was told to not say anything about someone not being at their post if she wants to keep her job.

If someone wasn't at their post, especially if it was local law enforcement, I don't know why the SS Director wouldn't point that out.
 
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Because the roof being empty due to a sloped roof while other more sloped roofs being occupied makes more sense? Nothing from that tweet screams deep state hit job. Screams incompetence, which sadly is best case scenario.
That's why you should watch the clip.

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Dad libertarian, mom democrat… both parents social workers. This was not a Republican household.

That could all be true. But there's competing narratives on what his political background is, which certainly does not make it seem like he was some sort of Dem superfan and likely just a Ted Kaczynski type.
 

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That could all be true. But there's competing narratives on what his political background is, which certainly does not make it seem like he was some sort of Dem superfan and likely just a Ted Kaczynski type.
Exactly, but the guy posting about one side spinning conspiracies is also the guy posting the competing narratives asking for apologies from republicans on said competing narratives.
 

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I will be interested to hear the final report, but I'm going to be extremely skeptical.

You don't want people to buy into conspiracy theories ..... then don't have the SS Director's first response be ...... we didn't have snipers on that roof because of the slope.

I don't know why someone wasn't there, but to tell me it was because of the slope of the roof when the two sniper teams that were there were on roofs with greater slopes. I call bullshit.
 

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Exactly, but the guy posting about one side spinning conspiracies is also the guy posting the competing narratives asking for apologies from republicans on said competing narratives.
There was a post about 2/3 Biden voters think it's a conspiracy, and I posted something from a very popular right wing MSM member. I'm not asking for apologies - just showing that it's not a partisan thing to think about conspiracies. I have no idea what you're even arguing about, you think Dan Bongino is an idiot? So do I.....see how easy that was.
 

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There was a post about 2/3 Biden voters think it's a conspiracy, and I posted something from a very popular right wing MSM member. I'm not asking for apologies - just showing that it's not a partisan thing to think about conspiracies. I have no idea what you're even arguing about, you think Dan Bongino is an idiot? So do I.....see how easy that was.
Your tweet share is asking for an apology. You shared it, not me. You can’t complain about conspiracies and talk about competing narratives when you are sharing them. 🤷
 

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Your tweet share is asking for an apology. You shared it, not me. You can’t complain about conspiracies and talk about competing narratives when you are sharing them. 🤷
My name isn't Ed Krassenstein?

Where did I complain? Did I try and police someone else's post? No I did not.

I'm sorry that my posts do not line up with your opinions I will take 0.01 seconds next time to think about your feelings before I post them.
 

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My name isn't Ed Krassenstein?

Where did I complain? Did I try and police someone else's post? No I did not.

I'm sorry that my posts do not line up with your opinions I will take 0.01 seconds next time to think about your feelings before I post them.
But you shared it. Then complained about competing narratives and conspiracies. Your posts don’t even line up with your opinions is my point.
 

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I will be interested to hear the final report, but I'm going to be extremely skeptical.

You don't want people to buy into conspiracy theories ..... then don't have the SS Director's first response be ...... we didn't have snipers on that roof because of the slope.

I don't know why someone wasn't there, but to tell me it was because of the slope of the roof when the two sniper teams that were there were on roofs with greater slopes. I call bullshit.
There is so much that just doesn’t add up.

Where did he get the 12’ ladder from? They said he brought a 5’ ladder but the photos clearly show a 12’ A-Frame. Regardless, no way he hauled a ladder and a rifle a long distance to the site.

There are like a half dozen things that just don’t pass the sniff test right now.
 

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But you shared it. Then complained about competing narratives and conspiracies. Your posts don’t even line up with your opinions is my point.
Ok, I'll slow this down for you.

Competing narratives
1) I believe the idea that this whole thing is because of Dem rhetoric is a really weak theory
2) I believe it to be weak because of the competing narratives that we see
3) There is no firm knowledge on his motives, yet we see numerous people running with the idea that this some sort of Dem induced issue.

Conspiracies
1) I saw the point about how 2/3 Biden voters polled believe it to be a conspiracy.
2) If that reporting is correct - they are fucking morons (the 2/3 of Biden voters)
3) I have seen a bunch of conservative MSM speaking about conspiracies
4) If you would read this thread you think it's just the Dems being idiots, but being an idiot is a non-partisan manner.

I hope that makes it clear for you. The only thing I would complain about is your inability to read my posts.
 

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There is so much that just doesn’t add up.

Where did he get the 12’ ladder from? They said he brought a 5’ ladder but the photos clearly show a 12’ A-Frame. Regardless, no way he hauled a ladder and a rifle a long distance to the site.

There are like a half dozen things that just don’t add up.

I would not be shocked to find out that the Secret Service was in on it lol.
 

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Ok, I'll slow this down for you.

Competing narratives
1) I believe the idea that this whole thing is because of Dem rhetoric is a really weak theory
2) I believe it to be weak because of the competing narratives that we see
3) There is no firm knowledge on his motives, yet we see numerous people running with the idea that this some sort of Dem induced issue.

Conspiracies
1) I saw the point about how 2/3 Biden voters polled believe it to be a conspiracy.
2) If that reporting is correct - they are fucking morons (the 2/3 of Biden voters)
3) I have seen a bunch of conservative MSM speaking about conspiracies
4) If you would read this thread you think it's just the Dems being idiots, but being an idiot is a non-partisan manner.

I hope that makes it clear for you. The only thing I would complain about is your inability to read my posts.
It was “only” 1 in 3 Dems think the attemp was staged. I don’t want people to think less of the Dem’s than what they already do.
 

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It was “only” 1 in 3 Dems think the attemp was staged. I don’t want people to think less of the Dem’s than what they already do.
Ah, well as you can see it seems pretty believable to me that 2/3 Biden voters (those that actually want to say they're voting for him publicly) would think something dumb as shit.
 

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Looks like Crooks used his shorter ladder to get up on the adjoining building. He probably used the shorter ladder to get on top of a little storage shed, then pulled up the ladder and placed it on top of the shed to reach the roof.

The larger ladder that people were pointing out was evidently law enforcement’s

 
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Ok, I'll slow this down for you.

Competing narratives
1) I believe the idea that this whole thing is because of Dem rhetoric is a really weak theory
2) I believe it to be weak because of the competing narratives that we see
3) There is no firm knowledge on his motives, yet we see numerous people running with the idea that this some sort of Dem induced issue.

Conspiracies
1) I saw the point about how 2/3 Biden voters polled believe it to be a conspiracy.
2) If that reporting is correct - they are fucking morons (the 2/3 of Biden voters)
3) I have seen a bunch of conservative MSM speaking about conspiracies
4) If you would read this thread you think it's just the Dems being idiots, but being an idiot is a non-partisan manner.

I hope that makes it clear for you. The only thing I would complain about is your inability to read my posts.
It does. You’re posting competing narratives to protect the competing narratives against your party… got it.
 

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Ah, well as you can see it seems pretty believable to me that 2/3 Biden voters (those that actually want to say they're voting for him publicly) would think something dumb as shit.
So you are voting for Trump?
 

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It does. You’re posting competing narratives to protect the competing narratives against your party… got it.

lol just because you don't like that it's not set in stone doesn't mean I'm protecting anyone.

So you are voting for Trump?

If I was actually given a vote for the tax dollars I pay, I would vote down ballot all Dems, and then write in Marcus Freeman.
 

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lol just because you don't like that it's not set in stone doesn't mean I'm protecting anyone.
Again. I’m not the one posting and sharing narratives then complaining about all the different narratives out there… then not even taking ownership of a post you share like “I didn’t post it, I just shared it”.
 
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