All Things SCOTUS

[drayer54]

It's not hyperbole. Any president now has impunity to do whatever they feel like as long as it lands under the vague umbrella of being in service of their "official duties".

When has this ever happened?
Was Obama prosecuted for drone striking innocent civilians?
Bush prob did the same?

Clinton’s perjury wasn’t related to an official act.
Reagan for Iran Contra?

Why do Dems act like Trump can drone strike us citizens now?

REALITY: SCOTUS affirmed longstanding law and practice. The Prez has immunity to do certain things that are solely inside his powers, he/she has a rebuttable presumption of immunity for other things in the scope of his/her powers, and for other stuff there is no immunity. This is nothing new and makes perfect sense under the Constitution.

 

[Bishop2b5]

If the past two dem administrations hadn't taken a page right out of the Nazi or Soviet handbook and weaponized the DOJ against political opponents, this ruling would be unnecessary and would never have happened.

 

[Sea Turtle]

If the past two dem administrations hadn't taken a page right out of the Nazi or Soviet handbook and weaponized the DOJ against political opponents, this ruling would be unnecessary and would never have happened.

This all started under Obama when they lied to get a fisa warrant to spy on the rival political campaign.

 

[Blazers46]

If the past two dem administrations hadn't taken a page right out of the Nazi or Soviet handbook and weaponized the DOJ against political opponents, this ruling would be unnecessary and would never have happened.

When we get in charge we should send them all to Gitmo and get rid of those Justices we don’t like…

 

[GATTACA!]

If the past two dem administrations hadn't taken a page right out of the Nazi or Soviet handbook and weaponized the DOJ against political opponents, this ruling would be unnecessary and would never have happened.

Holy shit somebody get this guy to Paris. These mental gymnastics are incredible lol.

 

[Blazers46]

Holy shit somebody get this guy to Paris. These mental gymnastics are incredible lol.

If mental gymnastics were a sport… I know a President that could put on a show.

 

[TorontoGold]

Holy shit somebody get this guy to Paris. These mental gymnastics are incredible lol.

Might be the only athletic feat....

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'm still 100% correct, though.

 

[GATTACA!]

I'm still 100% correct, though.

If no one would have tried to hold Trump accountable for the litany of crimes he committed the Republican Supreme Court wouldn't have had to change the rules to make sure he avoids consequences.

Yes you are correct.

 

[Bishop2b5]

If no one would have tried to hold Trump accountable for the litany of crimes he committed the Republican Supreme Court wouldn't have had to change the rules to make sure he avoids consequences.

Yes you are correct.

You mean the crimes that the former Dem governor of NY said Trump wouldn't have been prosecuted for if he wasn't running for president? The 100% phony evidence the previous Dem admin knowingly used to secure a FISA warrant to spy on a political opponent's campaign? You mean the DOJ/FBI officials who lied and covered up evidence damaging to their party's candidate, said they'd make sure his opponent didn't win, and then when he did, trumped up one flimsy or even completely false charge after another? You mean those things? Yeah, that crazy Supreme Court throwing up roadblocks to that sort of stuff in the future. Imagine the nerve of them to do such a thing!

 

[GATTACA!]

You mean the crimes that the former Dem governor of NY said Trump wouldn't have been prosecuted for if he wasn't running for president? The 100% phony evidence the previous Dem admin knowingly used to secure a FISA warrant to spy on a political opponent's campaign? You mean the DOJ/FBI officials who lied and covered up evidence damaging to their party's candidate, said they'd make sure his opponent didn't win, and then when he did, trumped up one flimsy or even completely false charge after another? You mean those things? Yeah, that crazy Supreme Court throwing up roadblocks to that sort of stuff in the future. Imagine the nerve of them to do such a thing!

 

[TorontoGold]

 

[Bishop2b5]

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No conspiracy. Just facts. Your party did one of the most undemocratic things possible - misusing and weaponizing the justice system to thwart a political opponent - and now you're mad that everyone knows it and the SCOTUS has made a ruling to prevent such bs in the future. You can get mad, laugh, spin, deflect, or whatever helps you feel better about it, but your crooked party brought it on themselves.

 

[GATTACA!]

No conspiracy. Just facts. Your party did one of the most undemocratic things possible - misusing and weaponizing the justice system to thwart a political opponent - and now you're mad that everyone knows it and the SCOTUS has made a ruling to prevent such bs in the future. You can get mad, laugh, spin, deflect, or whatever helps you feel better about it, but your crooked party brought it on themselves.

If all of these cases are all just one giant Democratic witch hunt why does the Supreme Court need this ruling at all? Allow the cases (that actually even go to trial) to work their way through the courts and then when they're inevitably appealed to you take the cases and expose them for the sham they are. Plenty of constitutional questions about the former president being found criminally guilty.

They need this ruling because they know Merchan did everything by the books. And they know Trump is absolutely dead to rights on the election interference charges. They know they can't overturn any of these cases on their merits. So instead they make this ruling which will allow them to not even have to touch on the actual legality.

 

[Sea Turtle]

If all of these cases are all just one giant Democratic witch hunt why does the Supreme Court need this ruling at all? Allow the cases (that actually even go to trial) to work their way through the courts and then when they're inevitably appealed to you take the cases and expose them for the sham they are. Plenty of constitutional questions about the former president being found criminally guilty.

They need this ruling because they know Merchan did everything by the books. And they know Trump is absolutely dead to rights on the election interference charges. They know they can't overturn any of these cases on their merits. So instead they make this ruling which will allow them to not even have to touch on the actual legality.

Do you not understand the scope of corruption and weaponization it was to LIE on a FISA warrant in order for them to SPY on their political opponents and then to unmask them?

You can hate Trump, Republicans, and cconservatives all you want. That's all fine and well. But what happened was absolutely mind boggling.

 

[drayer54]

If all of these cases are all just one giant Democratic witch hunt why does the Supreme Court need this ruling at all? Allow the cases (that actually even go to trial) to work their way through the courts and then when they're inevitably appealed to you take the cases and expose them for the sham they are. Plenty of constitutional questions about the former president being found criminally guilty.

They need this ruling because they know Merchan did everything by the books. And they know Trump is absolutely dead to rights on the election interference charges. They know they can't overturn any of these cases on their merits. So instead they make this ruling which will allow them to not even have to touch on the actual legality.

Did you learn law at McDonalds?

 

[NorthDakota]

If all of these cases are all just one giant Democratic witch hunt why does the Supreme Court need this ruling at all? Allow the cases (that actually even go to trial) to work their way through the courts and then when they're inevitably appealed to you take the cases and expose them for the sham they are. Plenty of constitutional questions about the former president being found criminally guilty.

They need this ruling because they know Merchan did everything by the books. And they know Trump is absolutely dead to rights on the election interference charges. They know they can't overturn any of these cases on their merits. So instead they make this ruling which will allow them to not even have to touch on the actual legality.

I will be honest I've read this post like five times and still have no idea what you are trying to say lol

 

[GATTACA!]

I will be honest I've read this post like five times and still have no idea what you are trying to say lol

If Bishop believes Trump is innocent of all the crimes he's been charged with and that they're all democratic conspiracies that overstepped laws in charging him, why does he think the Supreme Court should be throwing up "roadblocks"? It should be trivially easy for them to overturn those decisions without relying on presidential immunity as their reasoning if Bishop's opinion is correct.

 

[GATTACA!]

Legal Eagle does a fantastic job describing why this ruling is a disaster. I can't remember ever seeing him this angry.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Legal Eagle does a fantastic job describing why this ruling is a disaster. I can't remember ever seeing him this angry.

My favorite legal YouTuber. Also agree. Disastrous decision. Essentially makes any act official and if there was any question of it being unofficial it makes it near impossible to charge and prosecute.

Did you read Thomas’s poison pill gift to Aileen Cannon in the Maraloago document case? Essentially he says the special counsel is unconstitutional. She invited amici on this very topic just a few weeks ago. It’s already precedent that the SC is constitutional but as we know with this court they lied about respecting any other precedent and will do whatever they want regardless.

 

[Sea Turtle]

My favorite legal YouTuber. Also agree. Disastrous decision. Essentially makes any act official and if there was any question of it being unofficial it makes it near impossible to charge and prosecute.

Did you read Thomas’s poison pill gift to Aileen Cannon in the Maraloago document case? Essentially he says the special counsel is unconstitutional. She invited amici on this very topic just a few weeks ago. It’s already precedent that the SC is constitutional but as we know with this court they lied about respecting any other precedent and will do whatever they want regardless.

Well, lies were told to grant a spy warrant on a presidential rival so this should be all good, am I right?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

That didn’t take long. Thomas “randomly” brought this up out of no where in his opinion on immunity. Now it will be legal for Presidents to steal top secret information and abscond with it, hide it, obstruct the FBI and protect his conspirators even while out of office because it’s an official act or something.

 

[GATTACA!]

Well, lies were told to grant a spy warrant on a presidential rival so this should be all good, am I right?

Even taken at face value assuming what you're talking about is true, this is actually an argument against this Supreme Court decision. Biden is now 100% in the clear if he ordered something like that against Trump. Directing the FBI to spy on someone is 100% within the official duties of the president.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Even taken at face value assuming what you're talking about is true, this is actually an argument against this Supreme Court decision. Biden is now 100% in the clear if he ordered something like that against Trump. Directing the FBI to spy on someone is 100% within the official duties of the president.

God Save the King

 

[drayer54]

If Bishop believes Trump is innocent of all the crimes he's been charged with and that they're all democratic conspiracies that overstepped laws in charging him, why does he think the Supreme Court should be throwing up "roadblocks"? It should be trivially easy for them to overturn those decisions without relying on presidential immunity as their reasoning if Bishop's opinion is correct.

Its not easy if you have an appeals court loaded with partisan activist judges. Why should the law be applied based on the person? This is why we hate the activists on the court. This is where text and precedent matters. The concept of immunity is not a week old. This will probably help Biden as his tight network and web of lies and cover-ups are unraveling before us now.

 

[GATTACA!]

Its not easy if you have an appeals court loaded with partisan activist judges.

Do you think there is any chance that the Supreme Court as it's currently constructed doesn't find some justification to hear any appeal Trump brings to them on any of his criminal convictions (assuming he's convicted of other charges)?

The concept of immunity is not a week old.

No one is arguing that it isn't. It's the way that the supreme court just made it's application almost limitless that's the problem.

This will probably help Biden as his tight network and web of lies and cover-ups are unraveling before us now.

Which is a disgrace. If Biden committed crimes he should be charged and held accountable for every single one. He's not a fucking king, he's a public servant.

 

[drayer54]

Do you think there is any chance that the Supreme Court as it's currently constructed doesn't find some justification to hear any appeal Trump brings to them on any of his criminal convictions (assuming he's convicted of other charges)?

No one is arguing that it isn't. It's the way that the supreme court just made it's application almost limitless that's the problem.

Which is a disgrace. If Biden committed crimes he should be charged and held accountable for every single one. He's not a fucking king, he's a public servant.

1- Any sitting President or recent President would likely see this. They did not entertain his election BS.

2- The 3 bucket approach is not limitless. It's pretty well-defined, really. A petty criminal act vs trial for being wrong is logical.

3- Biden is going to roast in the court of public opinion as the truth comes out and it is picking up
the pace as his support thins. He's already been deemed not worth prosecuting by Hur for reasons indisputable at this point.

 

[NorthDakota]

Glenn Greenwald's latest episode is pretty good. I'm sure Cack's and Gattaca's brains would explode lol

 

[GATTACA!]

1- Any sitting President or recent President would likely see this. They did not entertain his election BS.

2- The 3 bucket approach is not limitless. It's pretty well-defined, really. A petty criminal act vs trial for being wrong is logical.

3- Biden is going to roast in the court of public opinion as the truth comes out and it is picking up
the pace as his support thins. He's already been deemed not worth prosecuting by Hur for reasons indisputable at this point.

They didn't need to entertain anything about the election interference. This decision already covers it. Ensuring the sanctity of our elections certainly falls under the official duties of the president.

They didn't make any attempts to define what is official vs unofficial.

Who gives a shit about the court of public opinion? whY ShOUld thE laW bE applIEd baSEd On thE pErSOn? If you did the crime do the time. Biden's documents are not even remotely similar Trumps. Trump has no one to blame but himself.

 

[drayer54]

Glenn Greenwald's latest episode is pretty good. I'm sure Cack's and Gattaca's brains would explode lol

So would that “Legal Eagle” tool. Its like MSNBC for legal commentary.