Politics

[Irish#1]

For every one of these, I can find a purple-headed freak on the other side doing crazy stuff.

Remember when gay marriage was going to be a slippery slope, and Democrats acted like that was insane? Now we're on to child genital mutilation, furries, 37 genders, and government-funded freakshows like this.

Your tax dollars working for you.

 

[drayer54]

1. You keep talking about kids dicks, but never mention girls. Obsession?
2. It is a real small percentage of kids, but comparing to lightening strikes is wrong. These are human beings and as has been said so many times before, kids are no where near developed physically and mentally to make this decision. I have a hard time understanding why any parent would be willing to support any changes until their kid is at least 18. We've already seen some examples where kids regret making the change.
3. What makes you think someone is obsessed with kids dicks? Is it the only thing they are campaigning on? If so, then I agree, but if it's just one subject amongst many I don't see that as an obsession.

1- They want to act like the people opposed to the dick saw are nuts.
2- I've never been struck by lightning, but my daughter is playing basketball and softball against trans kids.
3- Child gender mutilation is sick and disturbing, with long-term irreversible side effects. It's child abuse, and we're seeing a trend in shootings and violence from trans kids. The damage being done to these kids by insane parents is awful, and this is about the only defense they can muster is to insult those who don't like it.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Even if this was a not a trivial matter (sorry blue haired pussy hat wearers) - talking about kid dicks is not something that people want to be constantly flogged with. That can't sell well with voters "hmmm this guy is really obsessed with talking about kid dicks" and then they go an look up the epidemic and find out it's happening at about the same rate as lightning strikes. Leaves most people with a pulse the feeling that these people are just really obsessed with kid dicks.

Of course, Joe $70K in rural Ohio is affected by about 105432523 different issues before worrying about some top surgery.

How accurate is this?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

When the shoe is on the other foot.

What shoes were on QAron's feet when he walked this back?

 

[drayer54]

How accurate is this?

Karine Jean Pierre press conference accurate. 0%

 

[TorontoGold]

How accurate is this?

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

Top surgeries were 282 in 2021

How Dangerous is Lightning?

From 2009-2018 the average number of lightning strike injuries were 243.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah I looked up what he had actually said on the matter and it’s much more pro small government and parental involvement than it is pro chopping off kids dicks.

Idk seems pretty reasonable. The slippery slope is always a republican talking point unless it’s in relation to something they disagree about.

Wild that Chris Christie the guy who shutdown a beach for his family to vacation to is the reasonable one.

1. You keep talking about kids dicks, but never mention girls. Obsession?
2. It is a real small percentage of kids, but comparing to lightening strikes is wrong. These are human beings and as has been said so many times before, kids are no where near developed physically and mentally to make this decision. I have a hard time understanding why any parent would be willing to support any changes until their kid is at least 18. We've already seen some examples where kids regret making the change.
3. What makes you think someone is obsessed with kids dicks? Is it the only thing they are campaigning on? If so, then I agree, but if it's just one subject amongst many I don't see that as an obsession.

1. Ok, boob jobs for teens.
2. Lightning strike injuries happen to human beings too. Do you honestly think kids are just walking off the street into the clinic and getting these surgeries done. I have trans friends up here that weren't able to go through any transition steps in the early 2010's in the communist utopia, I have a feeling it's similar if not more restrictive down there.
3. For something that happens at such an infinitesimally small rate any second of a campaign speech spent on it is too much. I know my progressive friends wouldn't like that, but aren't the conservatives supposed to be the ones coming off as the reasonable ones who speak about strong military/economy/rule of law? Let the blue hairs infight and cannibalize themselves.

 

[ulukinatme]

I always love the lightning strike analogy. I might have robbed a bank once, but it only happened once so it's not a big deal.

 

[TorontoGold]

I think you mentioned awhile back that you married your husband in North Carolina or some other state out east. If you or he wanted to transition to a woman, would that be a problem for your marriage?

If you adopted a child together and th child wanted to transition, how would the two of you respond?

Also, would you be willing to come back to the US or another country to get it done if you couldn't in Canada?

No, my girlfriend is from the South. I've mentioned that I love going to North Carolina for the weather.

If my girlfriend wanted to transition we would break up. While I would respect the decision, I am not gay so therefore I could not continue the relationship.

If my future kid wanted to transition I would do everything in my power to support them and put them in contact with the best healthcare professionals to determine what the best course of treatment is for them. Understanding incredibly high rates of mental distress for anyone in the trans community I would want them to speak to healthcare professionals for advice rather than just whatever their parents have to say.

 

[TorontoGold]

I always love the lightning strike analogy. I might have robbed a bank once, but it only happened once so it's not a big deal.

Perfect analogy. One is a crime that hurts others that happens at much higher rates, and the other is being a trans kid. Maybe we should criminalize being trans.

 

[Sea Turtle]

No, my girlfriend is from the South. I've mentioned that I love going to North Carolina for the weather.

If my girlfriend wanted to transition we would break up. While I would respect the decision, I am not gay so therefore I could not continue the relationship.

If my future kid wanted to transition I would do everything in my power to support them and put them in contact with the best healthcare professionals to determine what the best course of treatment is for them. Understanding incredibly high rates of mental distress for anyone in the trans community I would want them to speak to healthcare professionals for advice rather than just whatever their parents have to say.

I apologize for the mix up. Those are all reasonable answers.

We went through this with our daughter. It was very difficult and heartbreaking. However, in the end, she decided that she was a girl and wanted to stay that way. Very grateful.

 

[Blazers46]

No, my girlfriend is from the South. I've mentioned that I love going to North Carolina for the weather.

If my girlfriend wanted to transition we would break up. While I would respect the decision, I am not gay so therefore I could not continue the relationship.

If my future kid wanted to transition I would do everything in my power to support them and put them in contact with the best healthcare professionals to determine what the best course of treatment is for them. Understanding incredibly high rates of mental distress for anyone in the trans community I would want them to speak to healthcare professionals for advice rather than just whatever their parents have to say.

Just sheer curiosity but I assume you would give parental advice in conjunction with the mental health services, correct? Or are you saying that once the topic is broached it’s just between your child and professional? Also would age matter? What are would you take him seriously? For example my 7 year old said he never wants to work a day in his life and just play Roblox his whole life, should I take his word for it and stop sending him to school in preparation for what he’s so highly convicted of being his life choice? Even my 14 year old wants to quit school and be a full time missionary in Africa. Am I bad dad for not getting mental health services going considering the mental health issues that plague highly uneducated people and not letting them make these decisions on their own?

 

[TorontoGold]

Just sheer curiosity but I assume you would give parental advice in conjunction with the mental health services, correct? Or are you saying that once the topic is broached it’s just between your child and professional? Also would age matter? What are would you take him seriously? For example my 7 year old said he never wants to work a day in his life and just play Roblox his whole life, should I take his word for it and stop sending him to school in preparation for what he’s so highly convicted of being his life choice? Even my 14 year old wants to quit school and be a full time missionary in Africa. Am I bad dad for not getting mental health services going considering the mental health issues that plague highly uneducated people and not letting them make these decisions on their own?

Of course, but in making life altering decisions relating to their health it's not something I'm well educated in. If our family doctor and my child's therapist/psychologist sign off on it then so be it. The age aspect is something I honestly don't know, I would defer to those who've studied this topic rather than giving a definite age. Presumably, it doesn't matter the age though to many here as the idea of transitioning is something that is opposed so I'm not sure what value it would provide if I gave an age.

Playing Roblox is completely different than being trans. A career choice is something that doesn't require a medical professional's input. We all have careers and can offer advice, unless we're healthcare professionals we don't have the same sort of advice.

For example - NoDak's kid will have access to a father who's a lawyer and can lean on him for legal advice, I would not be able to do that as a father and I would point my kid towards lawyers I know and trust.

 

[Irish#1]

No, my girlfriend is from the South. I've mentioned that I love going to North Carolina for the weather.

If my girlfriend wanted to transition we would break up. While I would respect the decision, I am not gay so therefore I could not continue the relationship.

If my future kid wanted to transition I would do everything in my power to support them and put them in contact with the best healthcare professionals to determine what the best course of treatment is for them. Understanding incredibly high rates of mental distress for anyone in the trans community I would want them to speak to healthcare professionals for advice rather than just whatever their parents have to say.

Still a lousy comparison because lightening is an "act of god" and not controllable.

As far as supporting your child and giving them access to everything to make an informed decision, what age would they have to be where you would say go ahead, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18?

Never mind, I posted this before I read Blazer's comment and your reply.

Of course, but in making life altering decisions relating to their health it's not something I'm well educated in. If our family doctor and my child's therapist/psychologist sign off on it then so be it.

I hate to go back to this, but I can pretty much guarantee that once you have a kid of your own, you'll look at things through a different lens. Nobody is trained to be a parent, yet we make life altering decisions as they grow up. There's no way you'll let a psychiatrist, therapist/psychologist and family doctor make the decision for you. The bond between a parent and child is different. The bond you have with your parents is not the same as the bond you will have with your kids. You won't just let them decide for you.

 

[TorontoGold]

Still a lousy comparison because lightening is an "act of god" (insurance guidelines) and not controllable.

As far as supporting your child and giving them access to everything to make an informed decision, what age would they have to be where you would say go ahead, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18?

Lousy? How. Being trans is not controllable, and if you believe it to be controllable please explain.

See my response to Blazers. What value does providing an age to transition? This only provides value if you agree with me that there should be transition services available to people. If you believe there should be no gender affirming surgeries performed then it doesn't provide any value. I've stated above that I honestly don't know and would leave it to the healthcare professionals to say when is the appropriate time.

 

[RDU Irish]

I’ve participated in two Iowa caucuses.
Democrats go to a school or gym and after each candidates rep gives a pitch, they move physically to an area to support their candidate. If you don’t have enough support, there’s a second draw to go to a viable candidate. Gives alot of room to move from the polls. Also, leads to drama as they don’t have a vote tally. Bernie people were pissed in 2016 because they thought they had more people, but got hosed by the system.

Republicans meet at the church, say a prayer, give a county party speal and pass the hat, then each candidates field leader gets about 2 minutes to give the pitch. Sometimes the pitch is read from prepared remarks, others they just ramble. Rand Paul’s guy was nuts…
Then you vote by writing your candidates name on a post it note and passing it down to the end of the aisle. Votes get counted and tallied. You get what you get. Should be more aligned with polling.

Back in the day my brother in law refused to caucus for anyone other than Alan Keyes and held up the caucus since Keyes had no other support at his location and a few others would have gone over the threshold. Not sure how the Rs claim this is a caucus anymore and not just a primary as you describe it.

 

[ulukinatme]

Perfect analogy. One is a crime that hurts others that happens at much higher rates, and the other is being a trans kid. Maybe we should criminalize being trans.

Missed the point again. Morality doesn't care about frequency (Or infrequency) of the offense.
Mutilation is mutilation.

 

[TorontoGold]

Missed the point again. Morality doesn't care about frequency (Or infrequency) of the offense.
Mutilation is mutilation.

I look forward to your championing all the causes in which you deem to be immoral. I can't imagine the kind of advocacy you have food insecurity for children if you're willing to spend this much time on something like this. Or it's just politically convenient.

Presumably you believe the following all mutilation - mastectomies, amputations, inguinal orchiectomy, circumcision's and other forms of medical treatments? If not you just choose which to apply "morality" to?

 

[NorthDakota]

I look forward to your championing all the causes in which you deem to be immoral. I can't imagine the kind of advocacy you have food insecurity for children if you're willing to spend this much time on something like this. Or it's just politically convenient.

Presumably you believe the following all mutilation - mastectomies, amputations, inguinal orchiectomy, circumcision's and other forms of medical treatments? If not you just choose which to apply "morality" to?

People and society routinely draw lines at what is acceptable. Drastic measures are necessary at times

 

[Blazers46]

Of course, but in making life altering decisions relating to their health it's not something I'm well educated in. If our family doctor and my child's therapist/psychologist sign off on it then so be it. The age aspect is something I honestly don't know, I would defer to those who've studied this topic rather than giving a definite age. Presumably, it doesn't matter the age though to many here as the idea of transitioning is something that is opposed so I'm not sure what value it would provide if I gave an age.

Playing Roblox is completely different than being trans. A career choice is something that doesn't require a medical professional's input. We all have careers and can offer advice, unless we're healthcare professionals we don't have the same sort of advice.

For example - NoDak's kid will have access to a father who's a lawyer and can lean on him for legal advice, I would not be able to do that as a father and I would point my kid towards lawyers I know and trust.

I can’t wait for you to have children.

 

[TorontoGold]

I can’t wait for you to have children.

I can't wait for late stage transphobia to hit and think about whether or not my kid losing is because there might be a trans kid playing. Then I can spend my nights researching how to stop that kid from playing sports.

People and society routinely draw lines at what is acceptable. Drastic measures are necessary at times

Never took you for a vax mandate guy until now.

 

[Blazers46]

I can't wait for late stage transphobia to hit and think about whether or not my kid losing is because there might be a trans kid playing. Then I can spend my nights researching how to stop that kid from playing sports.


Never took you for a vax mandate guy until now.

I don’t like crime, am I crimeaphobic? The logic behind having someone not think like you then add an -ist or -phobia to win argument is… gay.

 

[ulukinatme]

I look forward to your championing all the causes in which you deem to be immoral. I can't imagine the kind of advocacy you have food insecurity for children if you're willing to spend this much time on something like this. Or it's just politically convenient.

Presumably you believe the following all mutilation - mastectomies, amputations, inguinal orchiectomy, circumcision's and other forms of medical treatments? If not you just choose which to apply "morality" to?

Right, I'll get right on that. There are a lot of problems in the world, one person can't fight them all.

I've got no problem with circumcision, it's a medical procedure with hygienic benefits, added STI protections, and it comes with religious significance. Mastectomies are a life saving procedure for women with breast cancer, it's necessary. The same goes for amputations. There's nothing necessary when it comes to mutilating a healthy child. The fact you can't see the difference is troubling.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I can’t wait for you to have children.

Once it happens, you're never the same. Nothing could prepare me for it. Even if you think about what it would be like, you have no idea.

 

[TorontoGold]

I don’t like crime, am I crimeaphobic? The logic behind having someone not think like you then add an -ist or -phobia to win argument is… gay.

Yeah being trans is similar to crime. Bang up job. I can't wait for the most precious thing in my life to come into the world and instantly I become filled with hate for minority groups of people. "Son, now that you're here I have become so hate filled that I want to know what genitals your classmates have. If you can find out that would be great. Gotta make sure the integrity of U9 soccer is upheld."

Right, I'll get right on that. There are a lot of problems in the world, one person can't fight them all.

I've got no problem with circumcision, it's a medical procedure with hygienic benefits, added STI protections, and it comes with religious significance. Mastectomies are a life saving procedure for women with breast cancer, it's necessary. The same goes for amputations. There's nothing necessary when it comes to mutilating a healthy child. The fact you can't see the difference is troubling.

You're doing a great job fighting the good fight. One of these days those pesky LGBTQ folks will just go away. We should make their lives as terrible as possible.

Transitioning is a medical procedure, this isn't being done in some Leftist coven run by blue haired bernie supporters lmao. The fact you're upset with me deferring to medical professionals to decide for the individual is troubling.

Me - Let the health professionals decide on a case by case basis

IE "conservatives" - I can't believe you would leave it to the doctors. We should make this a political thing and force our beliefs on everyone. Make life for them as horrible as possible.

 

[GATTACA!]

Right, I'll get right on that. There are a lot of problems in the world, one person can't fight them all.

I've got no problem with circumcision, it's a medical procedure with hygienic benefits, added STI protections, and it comes with religious significance. Mastectomies are a life saving procedure for women with breast cancer, it's necessary. The same goes for amputations. There's nothing necessary when it comes to mutilating a healthy child. The fact you can't see the difference is troubling.

Gender affirming surgery has been shown to lead to a huge decrease in suicidal ideation.

New Study Shows Transgender People Who Receive Gender-Affirming Surgery are Significantly Less Likely to Experience Psychological Distress or Suicidal Ideation - Fenway Health

BOSTON, April 28, 2021—A new study published today in JAMA Surgery found that gender-affirming surgery is associated with improved mental health outcomes

fenwayhealth.org

The study, titled “Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes,” compared the psychological distress, substance use, and suicide risk of 3,559 transgender people who had undergone gender-affirming surgery with those of 16,401 transgender people who desired gender-affirming surgery but had not yet undergone any. It found that transgender people who had received one or more gender-affirming surgical procedures had a 42% reduction in the odds of experiencing past-month psychological distress, a 35% reduction in the odds of past-year tobacco smoking, and a 44% reduction in the odds of past-year suicidal ideation.

 

[ulukinatme]

Gender affirming surgery has been shown to lead to a huge decrease in suicidal ideation.

New Study Shows Transgender People Who Receive Gender-Affirming Surgery are Significantly Less Likely to Experience Psychological Distress or Suicidal Ideation - Fenway Health

BOSTON, April 28, 2021—A new study published today in JAMA Surgery found that gender-affirming surgery is associated with improved mental health outcomes

fenwayhealth.org

You should look into the researchers that have tried to get the real numbers and have been threatened by trans allies into silence. There's some documentaries out there like Detrans, No Way Back (Which got pulled by protests of trans allies), and some others...one of which I can't find anymore but it interviewed the doctors that performed "gender affirming" care. Many of these doctors push parents with ultimatums with no alternatives "Would you rather have a dead child or a trans daughter?" The truth is there's a lot of regret that comes with transitioning, and many don't find closure. Many still commit suicide after transitioning because they find dating even more difficult, they're not accepted by either side afterwards. They come to the realization that they'll never fully achieve transition and it results in suicide. Doctors in that line of work won't speak the truth both for fear of backlash and the loss of revenue. Then you get the horror stories from people that have bottom surgery and all the nasty business that comes with having a perpetually gaping open wound in your nether regions for the rest of your life. The changes are not really reversible, and that's too final for kids that are still going through puberty and confused.

Bottom line is all that should not be pushed on a child before they're of age. There are alternatives, and it would probably be better if they see a therapist first because many suffer from mental illness and/or abuse from a young age that has ruined their perspective. It happened with my niece. Her father abused her as a toddler and it scarred her deeply. She had questions about her own gender for a long time. She sought out relationships with girls, went by they/them pronouns, but didn't find happiness. It wasn't until she met a boy that changed her perspective, he treated her right, and she began to slowly trust again. She's gone back to referring to herself as a girl, loves all things pink, grew her hair out again, wears dresses, whole 9 yards. The damage will always be there, but she's happier than she was. It took time to emotionally and mentally recover, along with the right person. It didn't happen till she was 17, I can't imagine if she had made a true life altering change before then as some do.

 

[ulukinatme]

You're doing a great job fighting the good fight. One of these days those pesky LGBTQ folks will just go away. We should make their lives as terrible as possible.

You always think so highly of us. No one said anything about LGBQ, we're strictly talking T here and specifically related to vulnerable kids that have life altering procedures pushed on them by parents and quacks. That's a bit of a twisted move quite frankly, trying to link LGBQ negatively to the debate, but whatever. It's not the first time, not surprised.

 

[TorontoGold]

You always think so highly of us. No one said anything about LGBQ, we're strictly talking T here and specifically related to vulnerable kids that have life altering procedures pushed on them by parents and quacks. That's a bit of a twisted move quite frankly, trying to link LGBQ negatively to the debate, but whatever. It's not the first time, not surprised.

I didn't make you guys compare being trans to robbing a bank. That's all you pal. If you don't want someone to think lowly of you, maybe consider not comparing a group of people that are often picked on to robbing a bank?

Twisted move? lol yeah you're certainly looking out for the best interest of LGBQ people by ostracizing one of the core members of the community. San Fran which is the NA capital of the LGBTQ people certainly considers them to be part of their community (San Francisco Pride Parade and Celebration).

I can't wait to see the next Libs of tiktok post about some drag event and watch as you stand up for LGBQ people. Surely, you're not just using them as a cudgel to push dehumanizing rhetoric towards members of their community.

Or protecting kids, the "mutilation of kids" isn't just a one off argument for something that happens on a case by case basis with health professionals and you're truly earnest in your intentions of "protecting kids". Can't wait to see your robust suggestions the next time someone pipes up about how too many lazy people are on welfare, you're going to take a stand a say that taking people off welfare will hurt not just that person but also their children.

Tons of opportunities will come up, will you take a stand for children and LGBQ people in other situations?

 

[ulukinatme]

I didn't make you guys compare being trans to robbing a bank. That's all you pal. If you don't want someone to think lowly of you, maybe consider not comparing a group of people that are often picked on to robbing a bank?

Twisted move? lol yeah you're certainly looking out for the best interest of LGBQ people by ostracizing one of the core members of the community. San Fran which is the NA capital of the LGBTQ people certainly considers them to be part of their community (San Francisco Pride Parade and Celebration).

I can't wait to see the next Libs of tiktok post about some drag event and watch as you stand up for LGBQ people. Surely, you're not just using them as a cudgel to push dehumanizing rhetoric towards members of their community.

Or protecting kids, the "mutilation of kids" isn't just a one off argument for something that happens on a case by case basis with health professionals and you're truly earnest in your intentions of "protecting kids". Can't wait to see your robust suggestions the next time someone pipes up about how too many lazy people are on welfare, you're going to take a stand a say that taking people off welfare will hurt not just that person but also their children.

Tons of opportunities will come up, will you take a stand for children and LGBQ people in other situations?

I didn't compare trans to robbing a bank. By the same token you're comparing them to lightning strikes then. Are trans people lightning? No. I made an analogy to illustrate a point about morality. When it comes to morality it doesn't make something right if it happens 20 times verses 20,000 times. Wrong is wrong, and vulnerable children should not be mutilated.

Their own community is torn on their membership. LGBQ people are often at odds with T, or were you not aware? "LGBQ without the T" is often trending on Twitter, check it out. I have no problem with LGBQ whatsoever, and I don't really have a problem with the T personally unless we're talking kids and mutilation. I have multiple family members in that community and I support them. I see no problem there, and I don't see a discussion here about them, so why would they be addressed? Seems like we're in agreement there. Bottom line is you took an opportunity to take a swipe and push a false narrative that's untrue for political points. It was a low blow, but again, I expect no less.