Chicago Bears address

[RDU Irish]

I would be tempted to draft Marvin Harrison with number 1 and a linemen/trade 9. Harrison seems like the safest bet in draft and we need another receiver. I'm not sold any quarterback in draft moves the needle and I sure as heck do not want Caleb Williams

My problem with Fields is that his style of play, and the shitty OL require a top notch backup. He will get banged up and miss time. QB is irrelevant as long as their offense and coordinator are so terrible. MH Jr and the best OL with their first two picks looks like the better path to me. They only have six picks overall - no second round and Philly's fourth round will be late. Long way from #1 and #9 to that third round pick. They need so damn much trading down that #1 looks pretty attractive to me. I don't trust them to develop any QB so I would rather have a ton of talent and figure out QB later. Brock Purdy kind of shows how a good offense can make Mr. Irrelevant look good.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I'm completely torn. I like Fields and see potential, but I haven't seen enough improvement. Could it be not enough help around him...shitty OC? I don't know! If they move Fields, then they need to completely start over.

The issue was Getsy, without question.

His play calling has frequently made Gerad Parker look like Kyle Shanahan. And the game yesterday was his worst called game, which is saying A LOT.

The problem is that, Fields may not be salvageable. It's not his fault, because he has had 2 of the worst offensive coaches in the game coaching him his first 3 years.

It may just be best for both parties to part ways. Fields probably needs a fresh start and the Bears need to build their line up and get somebody who knows a lick about calling plays at this level.

 

[RDU Irish]

The issue was Getsy, without question.

His play calling has frequently made Gerad Parker look like Kyle Shanahan. And the game yesterday was his worst called game, which is saying A LOT.

The problem is that, Fields may not be salvageable. It's not his fault, because he has had 2 of the worst offensive coaches in the game coaching him his first 3 years.

It may just be best for both parties to part ways. Fields probably needs a fresh start and the Bears need to build their line up and get somebody who knows a lick about calling plays at this level.

Inept OC makes me say ride Fields and build talent. Until that OC gets fixed, investing in QBs is a fools errand.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Look at Detroit. OLINE. ( how about pick #1 for a starting OLineman AND a high enough pick to get another one? )
BIG BOYS = WINS.

... plus another TE to go with Kmet (gotta be loyal to my ND guy), and one dependable wide.

They just used the 10th overall pick to select Darnell Wright. He got great value with Braxton Jones in his first draft in the 2022 5th round.

At some point, they need to get actual skill people into the roster who can score touchdowns and make plays. 16% of their cap is tied into the offensive line. Some of the dead weight has to be cut out there but they have to start thinking about more skill people sooner or later.

 

[NDFAN420]

Inept OC makes me say ride Fields and build talent. Until that OC gets fixed, investing in QBs is a fools errand.

So is investing in a QB who still has too much trouble performing the QB's primary function(s). Fields already said goodbye. It's time to think about Williams or Maye, two guys who are already better at the position than our current Taysom Hill without the gravitas.

 

[Crazy Balki]

They just used the 10th overall pick to select Darnell Wright. He got great value with Braxton Jones in his first draft in the 2022 5th round.

At some point, they need to get actual skill people into the roster who can score touchdowns and make plays. 16% of their cap is tied into the offensive line. Some of the dead weight has to be cut out there but they have to start thinking about more skill people sooner or later.

Tackle isn't so much of the problem, even though I'm not entirely sold on Braxton Jones. His play this year is giving me Leno vibes. He had good moments, and followed it up with some duds. Wright looked promising, even though he played awful yesterday.

But the interior....YIKES. They were horrendous ALL YEAR. Jenkins was the only guy who had any semblance of solid play, and that was only really when he was healthy, which was...what? 4-5 games? The rest of them are just bodies. Whitehair's regression from his first year is astonishing. He went from a good interior player, to average, to bad, to "Holy sh*t! How is he still out there!?"

Bears need SERIOUS help at guard and center.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

So is investing in a QB who still has too much trouble performing the QB's primary function(s). Fields already said goodbye. It's time to think about Williams or Maye, two guys who are already better at the position than our current Taysom Hill without the gravitas.

I'm trying to process this in the context of this franchise being a complete quarterback laughing stock for the last six decades.

 

[Luckylucci]

I would be tempted to draft Marvin Harrison with number 1 and a linemen/trade 9. Harrison seems like the safest bet in draft and we need another receiver. I'm not sold any quarterback in draft moves the needle and I sure as heck do not want Caleb Williams

I had this typed up before taking my daughter to school and never finished the thought to post it.

It’ll be tempting to take Marvin Harrison Jr. And maybe the trade back partner is high enough they still would get him but I’d also go the trade back route. Get as much as possible.

They'll likely still get a very good WR prospect and I personally love Odunze.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Tackle isn't so much of the problem, even though I'm not entirely sold on Braxton Jones. His play this year is giving me Leno vibes. He had good moments, and followed it up with some duds. Wright looked promising, even though he played awful yesterday.

But the interior....YIKES. They were horrendous ALL YEAR. Jenkins was the only guy who had any semblance of solid play, and that was only really when he was healthy, which was...what? 4-5 games? The rest of them are just bodies. Whitehair's regression from his first year is astonishing. He went from a good interior player, to average, to bad, to "Holy sh*t! How is he still out there!?"

Bears need SERIOUS help at guard and center.

That's true, but nobody is using the first overall pick on an offensive lineman. Not this year anyway.

The mini run they went on prior to yesterday dropped them down to 9th. Ideally it would have been better to be selecting higher, but they can probably still get an OT with the 9th pick this year. Just probably not Alt or Fashanu.

It's been two seasons and Fields is about to turn 25 years old. He has flaws, without a doubt, but in addition to being surrounded by dysfunction it's been hard to fully evaluate him.

I look at KC this season and the issues they had. What's missing? Eric Bienemy. And his head coach in DC just got fired. Having the right OC in place that knows how to best use his QB and can design an offense is often a big cure to what ails you. Luke Getsy can't stay if Eberflus does.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

They’re in a great spot to deal. Washington and New England need QBs desperately. It seems to be a two horse race between Williams and Maye this year for the franchise guys. Someone will either overpay to get in front of them or hope one of those teams sees one as their future and build capital by making them move up. That of course is if you think Fields is salvageable. Going to be fun leading up to the draft.

 

[RDU Irish]

They just used the 10th overall pick to select Darnell Wright. He got great value with Braxton Jones in his first draft in the 2022 5th round.

At some point, they need to get actual skill people into the roster who can score touchdowns and make plays. 16% of their cap is tied into the offensive line. Some of the dead weight has to be cut out there but they have to start thinking about more skill people sooner or later.

Mahomes doesn't look nearly so magical without Tyreek Hill to throw too. Packers seem to have bailed themselves out with some impressive WR picks and Love was the 26th pick who got time to develop. Developing QBs on a shitty offense isn't happening.

 

[NDFAN420]

I'm trying to process this in the context of this franchise being a complete quarterback laughing stock for the last six decades.

That's called Sunk Cost Fallacy and should never affect your decision making going forward. In other words, so what? What's Will Furrer and Vince Evans got to do with 2024?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Mahomes doesn't look nearly so magical without Tyreek Hill to throw too. Packers seem to have bailed themselves out with some impressive WR picks and Love was the 26th pick who got time to develop. Developing QBs on a shitty offense isn't happening.

Mahomes didn't have Hill last year, and they had the #1 offense in the league en route to a Super Bowl.

The problem is more so that they went from Bienemy to Matt 'The Why' Nagy.

 

[Giddyup]

To my bear friends I will say the packers didn’t turn things around until they got the coach and system right. Farve was ass in Atlanta but once Holmgren came in, he soared. You better get your coaching right first.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Nagy ever getting another play calling job is perplexing

 

[MKEagle]

I don't care what it takes....

Get. A. Center

 

[Crazy Balki]

To my bear friends I will say the packers didn’t turn things around until they got the coach and system right. Farve was ass in Atlanta but once Holmgren came in, he soared. You better get your coaching right first.

The Bears have been trying to "get their system right" for the better part of 35 years.

 

[Giddyup]

The Bears have been trying to "get their system right" for the better part of 35 years.

Yeah I know. And it’s glorious

 

[zelezo vlk]

I don't care what it takes....

Get. A. Center

In my opinion, a veteran Center through FA would be best. Many rookie centers struggle plus Robert Mays and Nate Tice of The Athletic last year poured over a bunch of variables showing strong correlation to success for young QBs and a veteran Center was a big factor. Plus with Whitehair getting cut (almost 100% guaranteed) the most experienced guy on the OL would be Nate Davis, who has only been in the league 5 years. Get more experience on the line via vet C and draft some competition on the interior to develop once it's time to cut Davis or if Jenkens cannot stay healthy.

 

[RDU Irish]

They’re in a great spot to deal. Washington and New England need QBs desperately. It seems to be a two horse race between Williams and Maye this year for the franchise guys. Someone will either overpay to get in front of them or hope one of those teams sees one as their future and build capital by making them move up. That of course is if you think Fields is salvageable. Going to be fun leading up to the draft.

Top guards and centers are available late Rd 1 and throughout Rd 2. They have no Rd 2 picks. I would rather have C and G covered by trading #9 for someone's Rd1 and Rd 2 picks to target those two positions. Probably a top 5 guard and the #1 or 2 center depending on how late in the round the other team has. I'd rather have a third round QB having 2.5 seconds to throw to Harrison/Moore/Kmet behind a stacked OL than Williams or Maye giving Moore/Kmet 1.5 seconds to get open.

 

[RDU Irish]

In my opinion, a veteran Center through FA would be best. Many rookie centers struggle plus Robert Mays and Nate Tice of The Athletic last year poured over a bunch of variables showing strong correlation to success for young QBs and a veteran Center was a big factor. Plus with Whitehair getting cut (almost 100% guaranteed) the most experienced guy on the OL would be Nate Davis, who has only been in the league 5 years. Get more experience on the line via vet C and draft some competition on the interior to develop once it's time to cut Davis or if Jenkens cannot stay healthy.

I can get behind this too.

 

[Giddyup]

Packers promoting Bob Harlan to president in ‘89 also helped. Finally had an astute guy who made good hires like Ron Wolf for GM.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

That's called Sunk Cost Fallacy and should never affect your decision making going forward. In other words, so what? What's Will Furrer and Vince Evans got to do with 2024?

I think it's more the idea that you think Williams and Maye are better than Fields right now. Justin Fields has probably done about all he can considering the situation he came into at the time along with the franchise's inept ability to develop QBs across multiple coaches and front offices.

Williams and Maye are exactly what they appear to be: two unproven college QBs that could wind up busted depending on the situation they find themselves in.

 

[NDFAN420]

you think Williams and Maye are better than Fields right now.

100%

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Top guards and centers are available late Rd 1 and throughout Rd 2. They have no Rd 2 picks. I would rather have C and G covered by trading #9 for someone's Rd1 and Rd 2 picks to target those two positions. Probably a top 5 guard and the #1 or 2 center depending on how late in the round the other team has. I'd rather have a third round QB having 2.5 seconds to throw to Harrison/Moore/Kmet behind a stacked OL than Williams or Maye giving Moore/Kmet 1.5 seconds to get open.

That’s what I was attempting to get at. Someone will give up a first, second, plus next year first to get that top spot. You might not even have to slide down too far and still be in play for MH, who I think is generational. Shit, you could also trade the 9 if the deal is right and keep accumulating. I think they’re in a great spot to work the board and pick up a whole lot of picks up. (I know I’m a Giants fan but Walter Payton was one of my favorite players growing up so I root for the Bears).

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

The Bears have been trying to "get their system right" for the better part of 35 years.

The Lovie Smith era was fantastic and miss it.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Mahomes doesn't look nearly so magical without Tyreek Hill to throw too. Packers seem to have bailed themselves out with some impressive WR picks and Love was the 26th pick who got time to develop. Developing QBs on a shitty offense isn't happening.

That is true, but they won a Super Bowl last year without him. Bienemy was the OC of that team. Bienemy is now gone and they're yelling at each other on the sidelines.

I doubt Poles hires Bienemy as HC or OC, but there should be someone who commands that kind of presence and has called plays before.

Luke Getsy had zero years of NFL play calling experience until being hired by the Bears. One year at Mississippi State in 2018. Apart from that, his OC experience in college was at Indiana, PA and West Virginia Wesleyan.

At some point, maybe buy high or even buy low on someone who has actually been an NFL HC or OC and perhaps give them a second shot. The Bears have been hiring first time HC and coordinators since Ditka. It isn't working for them.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Top guards and centers are available late Rd 1 and throughout Rd 2. They have no Rd 2 picks. I would rather have C and G covered by trading #9 for someone's Rd1 and Rd 2 picks to target those two positions. Probably a top 5 guard and the #1 or 2 center depending on how late in the round the other team has. I'd rather have a third round QB having 2.5 seconds to throw to Harrison/Moore/Kmet behind a stacked OL than Williams or Maye giving Moore/Kmet 1.5 seconds to get open.

Who?

 

[FU BK]

Call me crazy, but if they keep picks, give me Odunze. If they draft Williams, guess there will be alot of bears stuff out at the neighborhood rummage. He is going to fall into the same Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray status as Lincoln Riley college system qbs that suck in the NFL. The qb's in the draft this year are no way better than Fields

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

100%

Hokee doke.