Foreign Policy

[Blazers46]

The majority of Palestinians did not believe elections would be fair, 52% do not trust the process.

Uncertainty as Palestine’s Abbas announces elections

Important hurdles, including disagreement between Hamas and Fatah, threaten to derail the vote, the first since 2006.

www.aljazeera.com

Palestinian people overwhelmingly believe that Palestinian Authority and Hamas are corrupt.

Public Opinion Poll No (78) | PCPSR

These are the results of the latest poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip between 8-11 December 2020. The period before the conduct of the poll witnessed several developments including the reversal of PA’s May 2020...

pcpsr.org

The lack of any serious leadership is evident by the lack of support in any Palestinian leadership. After Hamas is euthanized, it should be a major UN goal to get them some serious leaders.

Not too far off…

 

[Wild Bill]

Hamas was voted in by the Palestinians.

79% of Palestiniana are in favor of firing missiles at israeli civilians. This was before October 7th.

Israel is bending over backwards to not hit civilians, giving them notice and telling them to evacuate before striking. They are giving them several days to move to the south before the invade the hamas strongholds.

Israel can't help it that Gaza civilians are being forced at gunpoint to stay, forced to hand over their Id's and used as human shields by the nazis they elected.

The nazis in Germany didn't even do this as the Allies fire bombed the entire city of Dresden, killing 25,000 citizens.

You can justify the brutality of Israel as much you'd like but their flagrant disregard for international law and their willingness to engage in the most barbaric forms of collective punishment isn't lost on the majority of the planet.

The conservatives in America are like battered women. The ADL has done more to censor right wing opinions and people than any group in America, yet everyone to the right of Nancy pelosi is lining up to kiss their ass when they need political support to bomb the piss out of their enemies. It's embarrassing.

 

[Blazers46]

You can justify the brutality of Israel as much you'd like but their flagrant disregard for international law and their willingness to engage in the most barbaric forms of collective punishment isn't lost on the majority of the planet.

The conservatives in America are like battered women. The ADL has done more to censor right wing opinions and people than any group in America, yet everyone to the right of Nancy pelosi is lining up to kiss their ass when they need political support to bomb the piss out of their enemies. It's embarrassing.

Who is the ADL bombing besides conservatives?

 

[Wild Bill]

Who is the ADL bombing besides conservatives?

The ADL and Israel are interchangeable here as they have the same goals. Holds true for the entire Israeli lobby, 90% of which try to censor you and others on the right and 100% accept your generous tax contributions to Israel.

 

[Irish#1]

On Monday, the UN Security Council rejected a Russian resolution calling for a humanitarian ceasefire after it failed to get enough votes. Several countries including the US, the United Kingdom and France voted against it because the draft did not condemn Hamas for the October 7 attack, which the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said killed at least 1,400 people with scores taken hostage.

 

[Irish#1]

This is a pretty good article. It's an interview with a 30 year expert on Israel, Palestine and Hamas.

And Hamas has worked in the last few years to realize this strategy — on the one hand, they kept things calm in the Gaza Strip, getting economic benefits from Israel, Qatar and Egypt to enable prosperity and the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip — but all of these were an umbrella for rebuilding their military capacities and preparing themselves for the big day, which was last Saturday (October 7), unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/15/opinions/israel-misunderstood-hamas-kobi-michael-bergen/index.html

 

[TorontoGold]

Israel-Hamas live: At least 500 people have been killed in Israeli airstrike on hospital, Gaza Health Ministry says

The U.N. human rights office is decrying “appalling reports” that civilians who were trying to flee to southern Gaza were hit and killed by a military strike.

www.thestar.com

This is the kind of stuff that any reasonable person would denounce. I don't think it's anti-semitic to say bombing a hospital is wrong.

 

[calvegas04]

Israel-Hamas live: At least 500 people have been killed in Israeli airstrike on hospital, Gaza Health Ministry says

The U.N. human rights office is decrying “appalling reports” that civilians who were trying to flee to southern Gaza were hit and killed by a military strike.

www.thestar.com

This is the kind of stuff that any reasonable person would denounce. I don't think it's anti-semitic to say bombing a hospital is wrong.

Not a great look for Isreal, but this also isn't confirmed to be an IDF air strike.

 

[TorontoGold]

Not a great look for Isreal, but this also isn't confirmed to be an IDF air strike.

Three of the biggest news orgs in the world seem to be saying it was the IDF.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Not a great look for Isreal, but this also isn't confirmed to be an IDF air strike.

Yes. I'm in wait and see mode. This report is asking me to believe the Gaza Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas, that this was an Israeli airstrike with no warnings.

This terrorist group has repeatedly offered their own people up as human sacrifices to accomplish their goals. They initiated the heinous attack last week knowing and wanting Israel to respond with force that would result in many deaths of their own people. They could care less about any human life, even their own. Would it really surprise anyone if they blew up the hospital themselves? They told their own people to not evacuate. That is literally insane.

Meanwhile Israel has repeatedly issued warnings to populated areas that they are in danger before proceeding with any strikes. These warnings result in less lives lost but almost certainly make those strikes less effective than if they were a surprise. With that said, are people really asking me to believe that Israel intentionally targeted a hospital with no warnings? Maybe it was Israel. Maybe there was ammunitions stored in the area. Maybe it was an error. Maybe we will get answers to the many questions that we all have.

Given the differences between Hamas and Israel and how they value human life, I can't fathom Israel doing this on purpose. I can imagine Hamas doing this on purpose.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Three of the biggest news orgs in the world seem to be saying it was the IDF.

Two of those links said "according to health authorities in the besieged areas" "according to Palestinian officials".

Third link is some kind of live broadcast so I can't tell if they have some independent confirmation or not.

As of now, basically all of the reports are just taking Hamas and Palestinian officials at their word. I can't think of a person I would take at their word less than a Hamas official at this point.

 

[ulukinatme]

There are some reports coming out that a misfired rocket by Hamas actually hit the hospital possibly. IDF claims they do not target hospitals, but they're investigating. The Reuters article also points out that the two Palestinian departments detailing the attack are Hamas run.

 

[calvegas04]

 

[TorontoGold]

Two of those links said "according to health authorities in the besieged areas" "according to Palestinian officials".

Third link is some kind of live broadcast so I can't tell if they have some independent confirmation or not.

As of now, basically all of the reports is just taking Hamas and Palestinian officials at their word. I can't think of a person I would take at their word less than a Hamas official at this point.

You can can take Neftali at his word then. If we move to video evidence, IWR put out a video of the "rocket", notice the lights in the buildings? Now, let's look at another video from a pro-Israeli source - awfully dark. Using another pro-Israeli source, the minister of energy said -

" No electric switch will be turned on, no water tap will be opened and no fuel truck will enter until the Israeli abductees are returned home"

‘No electric switch will be turned on’ until captives free, Israel says

Israeli energy minister says power and water will be withheld from Gaza until captives returned home.

www.aljazeera.com

The IDF already warned about bombing hospitals:

Evacuation orders by Israel to hospitals in northern Gaza are a death sentence for the sick and injured

As the United Nation’s agency responsible for public health, the World Health Organization (WHO) strongly condemns Israel's repeated orders for the evacuation of 22 hospitals treating more than 2000 inpatients in northern Gaza. The forced evacuation of patients and health workers will further...

www.who.int

Of course it's up to you, but Reuters/BBC/Al Jeezra have better sources than I do, so I won't be able to convince anyone. Two hours after the incident, the IDF wasn't sure what happened. If hospitals were truly off limits seems like an easy layup to say "fuck no, we didn't do it".

 

[ab2cmiller]

Again, I will wait for some kind of independent verification one way or another. None of your links is confirming anything as it relates to it being an Israeli airstrike. Just eye-catching headlines with an "according to Palestinian officials" types of qualifiers on the end. At this point Reuters/BBC/Al Jazera have nothing one way or another.

In relation to that Naftali guy..... I have no idea why that guy was tweeting anything that he did.... have no clue if he has access to any true sources in Israel or Palestine. He's listed as a "Media Personality" on his bio. I certainly wouldn't take anything that he says as gospel/truth on anything.

 

[calvegas04]

Okay let's believe everything the terrorists say

 

[calvegas04]

 

[TorontoGold]

That video is from 2022 lol.

 

[ab2cmiller]

That video is from 2022 lol.

You are going to have to help me on this one. The 2022 video looks nothing like what calvegas posted

 

[calvegas04]

That video is from 2022 lol.

Yes that video going around has been debunked that you posted. The one I posted is way different

 

[TorontoGold]

You are going to have to help me on this one. The 2022 video looks nothing like what calvegas posted

Yes that video going around has been debunked that you posted. The one I posted is way different

I had thought you posted the one that the gov account posted and then deleted, my bad.

 

[calvegas04]

 

[ulukinatme]

Okay let's believe everything the terrorists say

So wait...we've gone from Israel is responsible for the hospital attack to the US fired it? This is looking more and more like neither was responsible.

 

[Sea Turtle]

So wait...we've gone from Israel is responsible for the hospital attack to the US fired it? This is looking more and more like neither was responsible.

It's looking more and more like this was a tragic misfire by Islamic Jihad.

 

[DillonHall]

The Palestinians are getting exactly what they deserve. I'm just relieved that pussy Biden is not getting in Israel's way

 

[Blazers46]

What a disaster

 

[ab2cmiller]

It's looking more and more like this was a tragic misfire by Islamic Jihad.

Possibly. Seeing some things that make me question that. We still need some independent confirmation to have more confidence one way or the other.

 

[Sea Turtle]

The Palestinians are getting exactly what they deserve. I'm just relieved that pussy Biden is not getting in Israel's way

They are certainly suffering from their leaderships ability to 'never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity '.

From rejecting the partition and living alongside jews in 1947 to rejecting 93% of the west bank as a palestinian state to rewarding Israel for pulling all jews out of gaza and ending their occupation by electing Hamas, suicide bombers and rocket fire.

 

[Irish#1]

Possibly. Seeing some things that make me question that. We still need some independent confirmation to have more confidence one way or the other.

A lot of BS and deflecting. Just not sure yet who’s to blame, but as you said Israel has been giving warnings and time for people to evacuate. Seems strange they would do an about face.

 

[Sea Turtle]

A lot of BS and deflecting. Just not sure yet who’s to blame, but as you said Israel has been giving warnings and time for people to evacuate. Seems strange they would do an about face.

Especially the day before president Biden arrives.