Post Game NC State

[Reaper97]

The penalties bugged me, but that's easily cleaned up. Those games can happen from time to time. If it's a regular thing, not good.

The interior OL still leaves me with concerns. Not necessarily against CMU, but NC State showed a few things.

Golden was way too blitz happy.

Apart from that, it was a very good performance on the road against an ACC team likely going to a bowl game.

He wasn’t “blitz happy,” that was the gameplan.

DL can’t chase Armstrong down.
And it’s pointiess havibg LBs stand at the LOS & wait.

So ND had the DL hold their lanes, and sent the LBs crashing.
This stuffed the run game & allowed the DL to hold their lanes & not let Armstrong scramble past them if they rushed up field.

This allowed ND’s secondary to eat up NCSU’s wideouts & for the LBs to destroy the run game.

It was a great gameplan.

 

[stlnd01]

He wasn’t “blitz happy,” that was the gameplan.

DL can’t chase Armstrong down.
And it’s pointiess havibg LBs stand at the LOS & wait.

So ND had the DL hold their lanes, and sent the LBs crashing.
This stuffed the run game & allowed the DL to hold their lanes & not let Armstrong scramble past them if they rushed up field.

This allowed ND’s secondary to eat up NCSU’s wideouts & for the LBs to destroy the run game.

It was a great gameplan.

It was. And it felt like great preparation for USC, which I assume will involve a similar gameplan. I don't expect our DBs to fare quite as well against far-better WRs than what NC State has, but hopefully it's good enough.

 

[RDU Irish]

+ Holden Staes.
+ Offensive line was much better after halftime.
+ We tackled pretty well.
+ ACC Refs gave up when they realized they couldn’t be the difference in the game.
+ 3-0.
+ Al Golden can’t help but send pressure from places that’ll never get home.
+ Our kicker kicked a record long field goal?

Wasn't the miss from 56? And it hit halfway up the upright.

 

[EvilleIrish]

My main takeaway from this game is that our offense is good enough that we can really screw up and make a lot of drive-killing mistakes and still score 40+ points on a good defense on the road in bad weather… which is crazy. We haven’t been able to do that in a long time. We generate explosive plays because we have some very talented RBs coupled with a QB that maximizes a lot of opportunities.

On defense, deepest group of DBs I can remember. The biggest question mark for me is generating pass rush from the front 4. I don’t see it, but I thought they did well as run defenders today.

And how about this new kicker? Holy shit does he have a leg!

I'm right there with you on the front 4. Although I wonder if maybe that's by design against these mobile quarterbacks we have been playing?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

He wasn’t “blitz happy,” that was the gameplan.

DL can’t chase Armstrong down.
And it’s pointiess havibg LBs stand at the LOS & wait.

So ND had the DL hold their lanes, and sent the LBs crashing.
This stuffed the run game & allowed the DL to hold their lanes & not let Armstrong scramble past them if they rushed up field.

This allowed ND’s secondary to eat up NCSU’s wideouts & for the LBs to destroy the run game.

It was a great gameplan.

Then the game plan had more blitzing than I would have preferred because I don't understand the respect for Armstrong.

Otherwise, outside of a few plays and some ill timed penalties, defensively they were very good.

 

[PutuporShutup]

ND stuffed NC states run all game with only 6 in the box. I don't think that gets enough attention. It's why we kept OSU in check early last year until we faded and couldn't stop the run. It's what I guarantee will be the game plan vs OSU this year.

I think an NC state running back had one run of over 10 yards, and it went for 13 (betrand read pass and bailed when they ran right into his lane).

NC state bottled up our run a lot but it took 8-10 people in the box. It's why we were able to hit 4 pass plays of 35 yards or more. NC State had one pass play over 35 and it was an unreal catch and throw against very good coverage.

I actually wish we had exploited it more. Hard to complain, but I think we could have went a little less run heavy on first down.

My only true complaint would be our outside wrs and hartman on the same page better. When there isn't someone wide open hartman needs to give our WRs a chance to make a play. He had a perfect throw to thomas early that thomas dropped, then he was a non factor. Our WRs were 1 on 1 all game vs NC state, we shouldn't be taking sacks in those situations and give our guys a shot more.

 

[RDU Irish]

Ran in to the Staes family on the way in to the stadium. Dad looks like he could suit up on a pro DL. Said congrats on the TD last week and hope he gets two today - dad responds "its just nice to get the first on out of the way" quite humble and probably thinking I'm some idiot for suggesting anyone scores two TDs -

God is officially on our side. We needed that lightning delay. NCST came out hyped up, hard to bottle that up and put it on a shelf for two hours. Also gave us a chance to make adjustments we obviously needed. Then a lightning strike about fried the scoreboard and sound system- that thing is loud AF. I was opposite end of the stadium and you could feel the bass. High pucker factor standing under a metal framed tent with that particular flash/bang lightning strike. God agreed - pipe down NCST and let the good guys roll.

Estime run convinced a lot of those who didn't already leave to not return I'm sure.

Hartman was way off early - some of the worst throws I have seen from him. Our OL was getting blown up but some of those early throws were ugly regardless. Almost 300 yards and 4TDs on an off day is the stuff magical seasons are made of.

Not the Heisman kickoff game I was hoping to see in person but a great team win to really build on.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Ran in to the Staes family on the way in to the stadium. Dad looks like he could suit up on a pro DL. Said congrats on the TD last week and hope he gets two today - dad responds "its just nice to get the first on out of the way" quite humble and probably thinking I'm some idiot for suggesting anyone scores two TDs -

God is officially on our side. We needed that lightning delay. NCST came out hyped up, hard to bottle that up and put it on a shelf for two hours. Also gave us a chance to make adjustments we obviously needed. Then a lightning strike about fried the scoreboard and sound system- that thing is loud AF. I was opposite end of the stadium and you could feel the bass. High pucker factor standing under a metal framed tent with that particular flash/bang lightning strike. God agreed - pipe down NCST and let the good guys roll.

Estime run convinced a lot of those who didn't already leave to not return I'm sure.

Hartman was way off early - some of the worst throws I have seen from him. Our OL was getting blown up but some of those early throws were ugly regardless. Almost 300 yards and 4TDs on an off day is the stuff magical seasons are made of.

Not the Heisman kickoff game I was hoping to see in person but a great team win to really build on.

Cool experience. I saw the burnham family near the Lowes Beer Den (Since away team family entered near there). I was drinking, they weren't lol

Yes Hartman wasn't good early, but he made the right read on a pass play to thomas that he read wrong, next play he throws a deep dime to thomas that hits him perfectly in stride and thomas drops I think this 3rd drive. Another pass I believe to thomas second drive was on the money, clear PI as defender ran through thomas to get to the ball. Guy didn't even play the ball, he just crushed himself and thomas.

I think the game plan early on first quarter was establish the run to open up the pass. This was a good D selling out vs the run and we played into that early. We made adjustments later on obviously.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think this was on purpose/by design for this game. Push the pocket back and make Armstrong throw it up for grabs. Pretty sure this worked like a charm, 3 picks and 2 others that should have been? He had what 2 really nice throws 1TD and that diving grab on Hart (who was in great position). I don't think the goal was to "Sack" Armstrong as much as it was to put in in distress and not allow him to escape. Jamie was saying he isn't good vs the blitz, and that showed.

He didn't look particularly good at all against the blitz or not. When they weren't blitzing, it seemed like he was lost.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Announcers mentioned shortly after that dude ran a 4.49 preseasom. Thats freakin moving and on the replay you could see he blew by his own DBs as well. Dude that caught him’s got wheels, i wouldnt feel too bad about it.

Yes and on rewatch of that play it looks like the veteran LB Wilson took a perfect angle on Tobias. I was never good at geometry so I never factored that in.

 

[Luckylucci]

The Hartman criticism is just next level for me. He was 62.5% comp pct. and 12 yds/att on the day. Ian Book has wet dreams about shit like that.

Early on, he threw an NFL dime to Jayden just like the one Lamar threw to OBJ on Sunday which Jayden dropped. He also had another very good seam pass to Evans for 20+ dropped. You catch those two very good throws and this mother fucker has a 70% comp pct on the day, with around 330 yards passing, and 14 yds/att.

 

[NDohio]

The Hartman criticism is just next level for me. He was 62.5% comp pct. and 12 yds/att on the day. Ian Book has wet dreams about shit like that.

Early on, he threw an NFL dime to Jayden just like the one Lamar through to OBJ on Sunday which Jayden dropped. He also had another very good seam pass to Evans for 20+ dropped. You catch those two very good throws and this mother fucker has a 70% comp pct on the day, with around 330 yards passing, and 14 yds/att.

It's really amazing to see how fans (not just ND fans) now have these perfectionist attitudes when it comes to the performance of their teams.

 

[RDU Irish]

Cool experience. I saw the burnham family near the Lowes Beer Den (Since away team family entered near there). I was drinking, they weren't lol

Yes Hartman wasn't good early, but he made the right read on a pass play to thomas that he read wrong, next play he throws a deep dime to thomas that hits him perfectly in stride and thomas drops I think this 3rd drive. Another pass I believe to thomas second drive was on the money, clear PI as defender ran through thomas to get to the ball. Guy didn't even play the ball, he just crushed himself and thomas.

I think the game plan early on first quarter was establish the run to open up the pass. This was a good D selling out vs the run and we played into that early. We made adjustments later on obviously.

I haven't watched the broadcast yet. I'm recalling a couple of short throws that were wobbly and way off in the first few series. I agree on the pass read to Thomas, that isn't a bad throw that is miscommunication and/or reading coverage differently. I think that pays dividends as they take it back to the film room to improve upon. When is the last time and ND QB threw a ball before the WR breaks?

Our offense wasn't moving, but neither was theirs despite much better field position early. ACC officials had to step in to get NCST moving. Despite the miscues hamstringing us early, always felt like we were in control despite one score game going into the 4th.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I haven't watched the broadcast yet. I'm recalling a couple of short throws that were wobbly and way off in the first few series. I agree on the pass read to Thomas, that isn't a bad throw that is miscommunication and/or reading coverage differently. I think that pays dividends as they take it back to the film room to improve upon. When is the last time and ND QB threw a ball before the WR breaks?

Our offense wasn't moving, but neither was theirs despite much better field position early. ACC officials had to step in to get NCST moving. Despite the miscues hamstringing us early, always felt like we were in control despite one score game going into the 4th.

Freeman pretty much said it, nc state came out playing way more aggressive than ND with more energy as well to start the game. Out oline had absolutely no fire the first few drives until the QB sneak on 3rd drive happened.

Spindler and Fisher got abused on the first hartman sack on our first drive. Good news is, there's enough bad film on fisher this year that he can't go pro unless he doesn't care. He's doing a lot of good things too, but the bad is just far too bad. That's been pretty much our entire oline this year other than ALT. The mistakes are far too big of mistakes, but each oline is doing good things as well. It's not like the beginning of 2021 where it didn't seem like anyone was capable on the line.

 

[Irish4life]

Do we buy this?

 

[Irish4life]

Also, going through this thread I'm kinda stunned how negative some of it is. We beat a quality opponent on the road by 3 TDs (and 1 of them was a garbage time TD given up by the 2nd team defense). Hartman wasn't perfect but he still played excellent football. We had our Sophomore TE emerge as a potential stud. Lighten up! This team might just be really, really good.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

NC State did drop a lot of passes that OSU and USC will not.

The drops led to the sudden "blowout" more than any adjustments made.

 

[dankgesang]

Do we buy this?

Lol no. That's like a 10.6 100m. I love Audric as much as any ND player I can think of recently but he's not that guy. Edit: I guess it depends how much work "nearly" is doing there. Anyway. Audric fuckin owns is the main point.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

It’s been said plenty, but that pass to Greathouse in the endzone was next level shit.

considering CFB is more of an “outside the hashes” game, Hartman likely added to his resumes hitting those crossers & the pass you just referenced.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Lol no. That's like a 10.6 100m. I love Audric as much as any ND player I can think of recently but he's not that guy. Edit: I guess it depends how much work "nearly" is doing there. Anyway. Audric fuckin owns is the main point.

Keep in mind it says he “reached” that speed……which may be accurate but he surely didn’t maintain it for the entire run. He may have hit that speed for only a split second.

 

[Lberry]

We need to move all "MPH" readings to the conspiracy thread. Every time I've seen is out of its mind.

 

[Reaper97]

NC State did drop a lot of passes that OSU and USC will not.

They didn’t have “a lot.”

They had 4.
ND had 3.

 

[Reaper97]

The drops led to the sudden "blowout" more than any adjustments made.

What?

What are you even talking about?

Even the NCSU sites on their postgame shows say that ND’s defense was always a step ahead of their offense & ND’s secondary was legit.

Adjustments weren’t needed.
ND had the same gameplan the entire game because it worked.

ND dominated the game & there was nothing “sudden” about it.

 

[Fbolt]

Agreed R97. J3P, if you're living your life this way, stay away from sharp blades and high cliffs.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Lol no. That's like a 10.6 100m. I love Audric as much as any ND player I can think of recently but he's not that guy. Edit: I guess it depends how much work "nearly" is doing there. Anyway. Audric fuckin owns is the main point.

It’s at one split second point of max speed. If you top out at 21mph and are big, doubt you’re running sub 11.5… Derrick Henry hit like 23mph a few years ago

This is very possible

 

[arrowryan]

What?

What are you even talking about?

Even the NCSU sites on their postgame shows say that ND’s defense was always a step ahead of their offense & ND’s secondary was legit.

Adjustments weren’t needed.
ND had the same gameplan the entire game because it worked.

ND dominated the game & there was nothing “sudden” about it.

Watts’ pick was kind of a drop. While it would’ve required the receiver to make a great catch, he probably would’ve been short anyway.

People don’t like to admit that the secondary is good. It’s weird.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

What?

What are you even talking about?

Even the NCSU sites on their postgame shows say that ND’s defense was always a step ahead of their offense & ND’s secondary was legit.

Adjustments weren’t needed.
ND had the same gameplan the entire game because it worked.

ND dominated the game & there was nothing “sudden” about it.

It was a seven point game then the receiver drops (and tips up) a sure first down turning into a pick.
Irish score right after leading to a 14 point lead.

I've watched the game three times.
It wasn't a blow out and wasn't a sure thing until the last five minutes.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Who's saying the secondary isn't good?
After the backfield it's the strongest group on the team.


I'm saying we need to play better to beat OSU and the NCSt game was hella closer than the final score.

 

[PutuporShutup]

It was a seven point game then the receiver drops (and tips up) a sure first down turning into a pick.
Irish score right after leading to a 14 point lead.

I've watched the game three times.
It wasn't a blow out and wasn't a sure thing until the last five minutes.

It was game over with 10 minutes left when estime scored to go up 21

The drop you discuss was a bad
Blown coverage by brown that may have gone for first down, would have been close

Thomas and Evans don’t drop great passes earlier we probably have more points

The game was never tied or nd was never behind after our first fg, we always led

We were almost 90%+ probability to win starting second corner for the rest of the game

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I don’t see it as dogging the secondary at all either. I’m confident that the secondary has already identified those moments and is well aware they have even more to accomplish. They looked hungry out there.

There have been some completions into REALLY good coverage too though so it all comes out in the wash. The communication and understanding of scheme and responsibilities seems very sound on the backend though which is huge. Plenty of talent too.