2023 Fall Camp

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The word around this team is physical and violent…. If true that’s completely different from last year and should bode well
They definitely seem to be playing with an edge I don’t think we’ve seen for some time. It seems to be across the board as well.
 

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Murderous too. Might Hamlin a few guys this year.

A) Hamlin had cardiac arrest. That’s not something you give somebody.

B) Your shit is old & not funny.
I, and most others, know you are trying to say outlandish stuff & trying to be edgy, & in your mind, witty… but it’s not any of those things.
You are the equivalent of a bad comedian trying to drop the N word or joke about the holocaust to try to make a name for themselves.

If someone says “that’s gay” or “he’s retarded” off the cuff, because those were common statements in our youth & didn’t mean anything, no big deal.
But to take the time to actually think it, type it out, and hit send, shows you are trying to be whatever it is you are trying & it’s not funny at all.

Just stop. It’s not witty or funny.
 

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A) Hamlin had cardiac arrest. That’s not something you give somebody.

B) Your shit is old & not funny.
I, and most others, know you are trying to say outlandish stuff & trying to be edgy, & in your mind, witty… but it’s not any of those things.
You are the equivalent of a bad comedian trying to drop the N word or joke about the holocaust to try to make a name for themselves.

If someone says “that’s gay” or “he’s retarded” off the cuff, because those were common statements in our youth & didn’t mean anything, no big deal.
But to take the time to actually think it, type it out, and hit send, shows you are trying to be whatever it is you are trying & it’s not funny at all.

Just stop. It’s not witty or funny.
 

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Sounds like all 5 RB’s will play which I’m completely fine with. Don’t need to wear down Audric we will need him fresh against Ohio State, USC and Clemson
 

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A) Hamlin had cardiac arrest. That’s not something you give somebody.

B) Your shit is old & not funny.
I, and most others, know you are trying to say outlandish stuff & trying to be edgy, & in your mind, witty… but it’s not any of those things.
You are the equivalent of a bad comedian trying to drop the N word or joke about the holocaust to try to make a name for themselves.

If someone says “that’s gay” or “he’s retarded” off the cuff, because those were common statements in our youth & didn’t mean anything, no big deal.
But to take the time to actually think it, type it out, and hit send, shows you are trying to be whatever it is you are trying & it’s not funny at all.

Just stop. It’s not witty or funny.
To be fair Hamlin experienced commotio cordis, which was "given" to him by a blow to the chest. Maybe he is expecting Sneed to lay out a bunch of guys in the way Kinnon Tatum did to USC.

Tatum ND-USC 1995.jpg
 

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Sounds like all 5 RB’s will play which I’m completely fine with. Don’t need to wear down Audric we will need him fresh against Ohio State, USC and Clemson
If the OL plays well this season, ND’s stable of RBs (if healthy) should be very difficult to game plan against this season. They have so many different skillsets of long speed, power, quickness, pass catching ability, etc. Haven’t been pumped like this about the RB room in a long time…….may need to take an adrenaline blocker.
 

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Do they all understand the whole offense AND CAN BLOCK IT? If I was coaching, that might easily be the determinant as to who actually plays.
 

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If the OL plays well this season, ND’s stable of RBs (if healthy) should be very difficult to game plan against this season. They have so many different skillsets of long speed, power, quickness, pass catching ability, etc. Haven’t been pumped like this about the RB room in a long time…….may need to take an adrenaline blocker.
I'm with you. The only disappointment we'll experience at seeing Estime, Payne, Price, Love or Ford go in is that one of them had to come out (most often). I'm really itching to see what each of them can do and how their styles will be complementary. Price will have a slow on-ramp I'm certain. Maybe he takes 2-5 touches to start.

Estime and Diggs were at 12 and 14 carries/game last year. The team averaged 41 carries/game. The highwater mark was 2017 at 43 carries/game.

  • Let's assume we average 40/game for this discussion:
  • Estime will average ~ 15/game
  • 25 carries/game to be distributed between Payne, Price, Love, Ford
  • if evenly distributed, that's ~6/player
  • if Payne truly breaks through, then we're looking at another 10+ carrier
  • That leaves 5/player to show what they can do.
If you have different assumptions, please throw them out.
 

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I'm with you. The only disappointment we'll experience at seeing Estime, Payne, Price, Love or Ford go in is that one of them had to come out (most often). I'm really itching to see what each of them can do and how their styles will be complementary. Price will have a slow on-ramp I'm certain. Maybe he takes 2-5 touches to start.

Estime and Diggs were at 12 and 14 carries/game last year. The team averaged 41 carries/game. The highwater mark was 2017 at 43 carries/game.

  • Let's assume we average 40/game for this discussion:
  • Estime will average ~ 15/game
  • 25 carries/game to be distributed between Payne, Price, Love, Ford
  • if evenly distributed, that's ~6/player
  • if Payne truly breaks through, then we're looking at another 10+ carrier
  • That leaves 5/player to show what they can do.
If you have different assumptions, please throw them out.
Hartman will have a few runs a game, same with wrs, possibly Evans with sneak as well … I think 15 for estime and 20 for rbs
 

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Ok, is Faison the kid that tackled Merriweather during the interview? And is Minchey going to jump Angeli? He’s got sweet ball placement. I just wish for the best with all of them.
Wouldn't be surprised if it happens before the season is over tbh
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if it happens before the seasons over tbh


Not trying to debating this, but what are you basing the opinion on? All the reports I've heard is that Angelli is the runaway #2, like not close.

I'd be interested to hear from a source that has a different take because it's been unanimous from everything I've seen.
 

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Not trying to debating this, but what are you basing the opinion on? All the reports I've heard is that Angelli is the runaway #2, like not close.

I'd be interested to hear from a source that has a different take because it's been unanimous from everything I've seen.
I believe that Minchey is the more talented thrower of the football, and I believe that he's looked better throwing the ball than Angeli has in the (obviously) little that we've seen. I don't doubt that Angeli is further along at this stage when it comes to playbook knowledge, recognizing defenses, etc. but I think that as Minchey continues to get reps and learns the playbook, that he will eventually take over as QB2.
 

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Jayson didn't live up to his recruiting rankings but was a quality starter for multiple seasons. Justin probably overperformed his rankings and became a solid rotational player. Both guys gave, what, five years to this program and helped Notre Dame win a lot of football games, graduated and never caused a whiff of trouble ever.
Not sure why these guys need to rag on guys.
Days late reading but a person offering differences in opinion isn't raging on the kid... it's 1 perspective, he was highly rated and didn't perform to ranking but doesn't mean he wasn't solid
 

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The problem with Jayson too was the lack of quality of depth around him on the Interior DL like there’s no way he should be anywhere near the field in goal line or red zone defense but go back and watch the Marshall game for instance and he was being walked back multiple times


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The problem with Jayson too was the lack of quality of depth around him on the Interior DL like there’s no way he should be anywhere near the field in goal line or red zone defense but go back and watch the Marshall game for instance and he was being walked back multiple times


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I liked Jason A. as a player l, but if you're saying he shouldn't be on the field in goal line or red zone situations as a defensive tackle, that's a bigger indictment on him than the surrounding cast.
 

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I believe that Minchey is the more talented thrower of the football, and I believe that he's looked better throwing the ball than Angeli has in the (obviously) little that we've seen. I don't doubt that Angeli is further along at this stage when it comes to playbook knowledge, recognizing defenses, etc. but I think that as Minchey continues to get reps and learns the playbook, that he will eventually take over as QB2.


Right on. Well said.

I would say that a lot of your hopes about Minchey are likely tied to a new culture of getting young guys reps in general, and that doesn't stop at QB.

BK was/is a very good head coach. But his main failing in my eyes was his failure to develop young talent and get them involved early. MF has gone on record a lot saying he challenges his assistants to get kids involved and competing. With QBs in particular, we see that with all 3 throwing tempo drills at the same time and a real healthy competition for QB2.

It might be green colored glasses, but I truly believe that culture shift is going to lead to really big things. Maybe not this season necessarily, though I'm fucking all in on this squad.... but this wildly competitive and chippy/mouthy culture will pay off.

(edited for typos and dummy shit)
 
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I believe that Minchey is the more talented thrower of the football, and I believe that he's looked better throwing the ball than Angeli has in the (obviously) little that we've seen. I don't doubt that Angeli is further along at this stage when it comes to playbook knowledge, recognizing defenses, etc. but I think that as Minchey continues to get reps and learns the playbook, that he will eventually take over as QB2.
I’m going to most likely hang myself out to dry but I think we’ll see Angeli win the starter position next year (assuming a transfer isn’t brought in ala Hartman) and will play better than expected. I don’t expect Minchey to overtake him at least next year. It’s just a gut feeling that I hope isn’t related to the street taco I ate yesterday.
 

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I’m going to most likely hang myself out to dry but I think we’ll see Angeli win the starter position next year (assuming a transfer isn’t brought in ala Hartman) and will play better than expected. I don’t expect Minchey to overtake him at least next year. It’s just a gut feeling that I hope isn’t related to the street taco I ate yesterday.
If minchey doesn't over take him next year then only way minchey starts at ND most likely is if Angeli bombs or gets injured.
 

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Faison will be on scholarship really soon. Possibly he's our 4th receiver recruit for the 24 class (in the coaches eyes). He's getting comparisons to Tyree in terms of absolute speed and he looks shifty as hell. Not sure he'll get reps this year but next year could be huge for him.
 
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