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Saw this morning the song is at the top of the charts. Looks like all the protesting had the opposite effect.

It's almost like the whole controversy was manufactured for the purpose of getting people to be aware that a new single was out. But I'm sure that Aildeen's label, Capitol Records (a subsidiary of Dutch Universal Music Group, primarily owned by Chinese media conglomerate Tencent and French media mogul Vincent Bollore) hasn't purposefully sown any outrage coverage with the intent of creating counter-outrage that's inherently appealing to country music's primary listening base. It's not illegal, furthers culture wars in the US, and results in their otherwise unknown album being the center of everyone's attention without having to pay a single cent of advertising. But it's scummy so I'm sure they wouldn't do that right?
 

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Were you in the level 1 classes at Roncalli?
Not me, bud. Only went there two years. Honed my common sense skills on the east side.

Although, since you asked, the Indy Star and RHS’s record book did say I was the best baseball player in the city my senior year at RHS if that counts towards anything. 🤷‍♂️

Have a nice day.
 

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So, has anyone seen any good movies lately? Excuse me as I step around all of the feces the enraged monkeys have been throwing around the cage.

Watched Glengary Glenn Ross for the first time in awhile yesterday. Hits much harder as an adult. Everyone is so pathetic through the whole movie.

Jack Lemmon was an all-time talent.
 

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So people are discrediting the movie because an actor has personal beliefs they don't like? Even though said beliefs have no impact on the movie?
That hits the nail on the head. The people here pushing back against the movie haven't even seen it for themselves, they're buying into red herrings they've been fed by WaPo and Rolling Stone. Both pieces and similar sites are filled with a bunch of garbage unrelated to the film itself, the only unbiased review I've seen here was the one I posted.

 

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Some Scientology ties, but like no one is going to be "pro-terrorism". If it's a rounabout way to make people more aware of terrorism then so be it. Probably missing the bigger issue but it's a tough message to be against lol.




This is actually a good counter argument to yourself. Nobody is discrediting these movies because of Tom Cruise and his belief system.

Also nobody is watching based on his Scientology beliefs.

The easy answer to the why the movie is rating so high and attended is because of the Christian churches push to see it. When I say “church” I am speaking on church circles not the pastor passing out fliers and speaking on it on the altar. Not sure of your attendance to this types of places but you have to be very disconnected if your church wasn’t pushing this movie.
 

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This is actually a good counter argument to yourself. Nobody is discrediting these movies because of Tom Cruise and his belief system.

Also nobody is watching based on his Scientology beliefs.

The easy answer to the why the movie is rating so high and attended is because of the Christian churches push to see it. When I say “church” I am speaking on church circles not the pastor passing out fliers and speaking on it on the altar. Not sure of your attendance to this types of places but you have to be very disconnected if your church wasn’t pushing this movie.
Cruise has outlived his Scientology connection at this point. That was certainly a point of controversy back in his couch jumper days.
 

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Cruise has outlived his Scientology connection at this point. That was certainly a point of controversy back in his couch jumper days.
Sure, but nobody was insinuating that people are watching his movies because of this. How many articles can you find slamming Tom Cruise movies because of Scientology? Or even insinuating that his movies have some sort of underlying Scientology theme?
 

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This is actually a good counter argument to yourself. Nobody is discrediting these movies because of Tom Cruise and his belief system.

Also nobody is watching based on his Scientology beliefs.

The easy answer to the why the movie is rating so high and attended is because of the Christian churches push to see it. When I say “church” I am speaking on church circles not the pastor passing out fliers and speaking on it on the altar. Not sure of your attendance to this types of places but you have to be very disconnected if your church wasn’t pushing this movie.
Nobody in this thread has said to not see the movie - not a single person. Oddly enough, many have thrown out accusations at anyone who hasn't given this movie an IE Oscar. No one has said "don't see it", I even praised the fact this has opened people's eyes to human trafficking.

The victim narrative that any criticism is from some biased liberal media! is hilarious, because movie reviews are written by the cattiest most petty people ever. So mentioning an actors ties to a whack job group of people does not discredit the movie. Woody Allen had a whole ass Netflix documentary made about him being an actual pedophile (Irish2155 maybe watch this and compare it those you think are actual pedos), and people still go see his movies. Reviews get written about his past and rinse repeat life goes on.

I posted 4 articles that include Scientology in the title of the article, in the lens of those that are taking any mention of QAnon as an afront to the movie's quality, this would be exactly the same.

You want to see a good example of a reviewer including their political bias into a movie? Here's a howler from a site with no agenda. Who cares what theatre kids who never got to be actors have to say lmao.
You won’t believe what Gerwig and her Barbie (Margot Robbie) get away with in this joyously over-the-top meta feminist manifesto. Yes, they’ve made something political out of the blonde-haired, pink-dressed doll.

If she had shown hints of brilliance as an actress and director, Gerwig has officially lost the plot. Her film, set in Barbieland, a utopia for strong women, and with men, all second fiddles named Ken, overreaches to the nth degree. Hell, there’s even an all-Barbie Supreme Court. So fetch!

And what a messy last half hour it is. She throws everything but the phonebook to assault us with her faux messaging. By then, she’s already juggled multiple twists and turns, some inspired, others falling flat, but her empty disdain for the “patriarchy,” a word mentioned almost a dozen times, does her a disservice. “Barbie” is a feminist fantasy that paints men as the “problem” in society, and it all feels like a little too much. There’s no genuine feeling to it — as if it was written by a Twitter algorithm.

The crux of the plot has Margot Robbie’s Barbie having to leave “Barbieland” because she’s not adapting: she's having thoughts of death, cellulite and flat feet, oh my. It turns out that, while going to the “real world”, our world, her Ken realizes that men can have power too. He assembles his alpha buddies to transform Barbieland into a male paradise (the “Mojo Dojo Casa House”) and that’s when he becomes the villain of the piece.

The film is certainly a spirited affair, drenched in pink campiness that criticizes, at every step, its own existence. But it also reeks of corporate feminism, the kind that only sees things in black and white, never digging deeper into the nuances that come with the territory. One can easily admire Gerwig’s ambitious attempt at avoiding materialism in her “Barbie” movie, but her way of delivering the film’s core message turns out be artificial and, unbeknownst to her, materialist.

The marketing-on-steroids, the hype, we’ve had to endure for “Barbie” could never result in bad reviews. People had to, needed to, have this movie turn out to be good. However, don’t be mistaken, this film is another ploy by capitalism to sell more merchandise, and its true brilliance hides behind its faux-subversive facade. Those who want to see, and try hard to like, “Barbie” will do so accordingly, and you can bet they’ll also tweet about it.

 

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Sure, but nobody was insinuating that people are watching his movies because of this. How many articles can you find slamming Tom Cruise movies because of Scientology? Or even insinuating that his movies have some sort of underlying Scientology theme?
What is the connection between the message of Scientology and MI8? I can easily tell you what the thematic connection is between The Sound of Freedom and QAnnon.

Yes that was my point that you used to see lots of people criticizing him over it but it’s been talked about so much people are over it (unfortunately).
 

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This is actually a good counter argument to yourself. Nobody is discrediting these movies because of Tom Cruise and his belief system.

Also nobody is watching based on his Scientology beliefs.

The easy answer to the why the movie is rating so high and attended is because of the Christian churches push to see it. When I say “church” I am speaking on church circles not the pastor passing out fliers and speaking on it on the altar. Not sure of your attendance to this types of places but you have to be very disconnected if your church wasn’t pushing this movie.
Jim Caviezel went out of his way to connect Qanon to his movie. As far as I know, Cruise has not done the same.
 

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What is the connection between the message of Scientology and MI8? I can easily tell you what the thematic connection is between The Sound of Freedom and QAnnon.

Yes that was my point that you used to see lots of people criticizing him over it but it’s been talked about so much people are over it (unfortunately).
How can you do then you haven't even seen the film? Oh, you can't.
 

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What is the connection between the message of Scientology and MI8? I can easily tell you what the thematic connection is between The Sound of Freedom and QAnnon.

Yes that was my point that you used to see lots of people criticizing him over it but it’s been talked about so much people are over it (unfortunately).
Explain the thematic connection.
 

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Seriously, all three of you (Gattaca, Toronto, Seek) have bought into the red herring they fed you hook, line, and sinker. You keep repeating the same bogus points over and over without confirming anything for yourselves. Have you always just accepted what you're told rather than find the truth out for yourselves?

There. Are. No. QAnnon. Conspiracies. In. The. Movie.
This. Movie. Is. Not. About. Politics.

I don't know how those points can be said any plainer. Caviezel's personal opinions, however crazy they may be, have absolutely nothing to do with this movie. You guys are on the outside believing Chicken Little when they say the sky is falling. It just looks silly at this point. Do yourself a favor and see it for yourselves.
 

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You tell me. I've seen it.
You said there was a thematic connection between QAnon and the Sound of Freedom. Be my guest.
The connection is child sex trafficking. That’s page 1 of the QAnnon playbook. Of course a movie about their biggest boogeyman (not that the story of the movie is a conspiracy) starring one of their own is naturally going to receive praise and attention from them.
 

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The connection is child sex trafficking. That’s page 1 of the QAnnon playbook. Of course a movie about their biggest boogeyman (not that the story of the movie is a conspiracy) starring one of their own is naturally going to receive praise and attention from them.
That's a reach, sorry. Where's the conspiracy part? That's like saying this movie is linked to Epstein because child sex trafficking but...there's no mention of Epstein anywhere in the film. Oof.
 

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That's a reach, sorry. Where's the conspiracy part? That's like saying this movie is linked to Epstein because child sex trafficking but...there's no mention of Epstein anywhere in the film. Oof.
In the minds of QAnnon people their wild accusations aren’t conspiracies. They’re as real as the events depicted in this movie.
 

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Nobody in this thread has said to not see the movie - not a single person. Oddly enough, many have thrown out accusations at anyone who hasn't given this movie an IE Oscar. No one has said "don't see it", I even praised the fact this has opened people's eyes to human trafficking.

The victim narrative that any criticism is from some biased liberal media! is hilarious, because movie reviews are written by the cattiest most petty people ever. So mentioning an actors ties to a whack job group of people does not discredit the movie. Woody Allen had a whole ass Netflix documentary made about him being an actual pedophile (Irish2155 maybe watch this and compare it those you think are actual pedos), and people still go see his movies. Reviews get written about his past and rinse repeat life goes on.

I posted 4 articles that include Scientology in the title of the article, in the lens of those that are taking any mention of QAnon as an afront to the movie's quality, this would be exactly the same.

You want to see a good example of a reviewer including their political bias into a movie? Here's a howler from a site with no agenda. Who cares what theatre kids who never got to be actors have to say lmao.


To your first point sure you have not told anybody to not see the movie. And you claim to be answering a question about why this movie has such a large audience and such a large audience rating by posting and parroting an article about QAnon. Which is not the reason why this movie has gained so much popularity.

The Barbie and Scientology examples are not remotely close to the backlash of sound of freedom. The question posed on this board was why is this movie so popular, and that it must be directed at some niche market. Your answer was to parrot QAnon, which is insulting to many of the people that not only looked forward to watching the movie and enjoy the movie, but encourage others to see the movie because of the impact it could potentially have on persons to potentially make an impact on real life society. The movie was made with a general purpose, Barbie and Mission impossible were made to entertain. Even in the Barbie review, the reviewer is not suggesting that feminist are flocking to this movie because if it’s feminism type themes. Tom Cruise movies are not being negatively impacted by his real world beliefs. So while you sarcastically post Tom Cruise articles, these are not movie reviews.
 

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In the minds of QAnnon people their wild accusations aren’t conspiracies. They’re as real as the events depicted in this movie.
So you are saying sex trafficking is a QAnon conspiracy?
 

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The connection is child sex trafficking. That’s page 1 of the QAnnon playbook. Of course a movie about their biggest boogeyman (not that the story of the movie is a conspiracy) starring one of their own is naturally going to receive praise and attention from them.
Churches around the nation are talking about this movie and encouraging others to see it. I’ve never personally met any QAnon people… I’ve personally met Church people, I am one. my concern and it’s pretty evident that you have no clue what’s in this movie but continue to double down on its QAnon theme and credit it’s popularity to QAnon. It’s pretty insulting.
 

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From the WaPo article:

“Sound of Freedom” doesn’t depict anything close to QAnon conspiracy fantasies, which have been linked to incidents of extremism and violence including the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. The film’s villains are common criminals, not the shadowy cabal of occultists imagined by QAnoners.
But the movie has nevertheless been promoted on QAnon message boards, and some accuse it of playing into the movement, which is based on the false belief that a highly organized network of global elites are kidnapping children, having sex with them and harvesting their blood.
That’s partially because Ballard and the actor who plays him, Caviezel, have both expressed support for some of the QAnon’s movement’s wildest claims.
Ballard once entertained a viral theory that claimed the online furniture retailer Wayfair was selling children, sometimes packing them into overpriced storage cabinets. “Law enforcement’s going to flush that out and we’ll get our answers sooner than later,” he said in a July 2020 Twitter video. “But I want to tell you this: children are sold that way.” There is no evidence to support the theory, which has inspired threats against employees and impeded actual child trafficking investigations.
A month after that video, Ballard described conspiracy theorists’ support for his organization as a mixed blessing in an interview with the New York Times. “Some of these theories have allowed people to open their eyes,” he said. “So now it’s our job to flood the space with real information so the facts can be shared.”
Speaking at a QAnon-affiliated conference in Oklahoma in 2021, the actor said Ballard wanted to join him but “he’s down there saving children as we speak, because they’re pulling kids out of the darkest recesses of hell right now, in … all kinds of places, uh, the adrenochroming of children.”
The moderator asked him to elaborate. “If a child knows he’s going to die, his body will secrete this adrenaline,” Caviezel said, his voice catching. “These people that do it, there’ll be no mercy for them. This is one of the best films I’ve ever done in my life. The film is on Academy Award level.”
In reality, adrenochrome is a relatively mundane chemical compound created by oxidizing adrenaline, though the author Hunter S. Thompson portrayed it as a kind of super-drug popular with pedophiles in “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.”
 

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It’s in the WaPo article.
The first and last paragraph in the "QAnon" section of that article are all you need to know. The rest is unrelated drivel that has nothing to do with the film:

“Sound of Freedom” doesn’t depict anything close to QAnon conspiracy fantasies, which have been linked to incidents of extremism and violence including the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. The film’s villains are common criminals, not the shadowy cabal of occultists imagined by QAnoners.
Geesey, the Angel Studios executive, said anyone who posits that “Sound of Freedom” promotes conspiracy theories hasn’t watched the film.
 
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