State of the Recruiting Class - 2024

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Year #2 hasn't even started and this board seems to be in a freak out mode about Freeman.

I think negative recruiting by other colleges has always been against ND- academic/admissions and the NIL is not in ND's favor as well.

What happened with KVA? I think this is a recruitment that Freeman can take over & win. With Scott, I am sick of hearing since he's from Chicago he should be at ND. Does he want to be at ND? I agree that Golden/Washington need to step up their recruiting game.

Like Kelly had his hand in the offense I think when the time comes (if it already hasn't) Freeman will have his hand in the defense.

Our offense is led by a 3* QB coming out of high school, 5 of Wake Forest's WR's last year had over 500 yards, and 4 of those WR's had 6 or more TD's. No disrespect to the WF WR's, but on paper/coming out of high school ND WR's are more talented.

I am surprised the * system is still around.
I don't see freak out mode but I see a coach that MUST have a very successful year. We are probably set up to be a better team than the 24 or 25 teams. So he needs to show he can take a good talented team and have them improve collectively and individually and have a really good season.
 

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Freeman needs a fire season to regain the fire on the recruiting trail. He's still putting together a really good class and if we close with 2-3 of our remaining players on the board then it's a class that can take us into the playoffs.

Yes, we need more but I think the staff is working their ass off and max'ing out the recruiting for this year. Some may not be pleased but a 5 star QB, a 5 star WR and a load of talent on offense with some high quality and high upside defensive players is kind of what we've been longing for. Our defense has outpaced our offense for a long time and the last two classes have set us up to have a lot more offensive firepower.

Hopefully we don't see our defense falter.
Who is a 5 star QB and WR?? We have a Top 50 QB and WR. But not one service - even on their individual ratings - have either CJ or Cam as 5 star players as of right now. I am happy with them but when we actually land 5-star talent is when we will be able to get closer to a Natty.
 

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I don't see freak out mode but I see a coach that MUST have a very successful year. We are probably set up to be a better team than the 24 or 25 teams. So he needs to show he can take a good talented team and have them improve collectively and individually and have a really good season.
I think a realistic expectation is 9-3 seasons. Too many questions on Lines and Coaching. I think winning 2 out of 3 of the big games and not having any trap game losses for this staff is expecting a lot. Coach Kelly had nearly 20 years HC experience before ND hired him.
 

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All the smart guys wanted this hire. Hopefully it pans out this year.
I don't think all of the smart guys wanted Freeman. I think a lot of people liked the idea of Fickell, but when it became clear that he wasn't (and shouldn't) leave Cincinnati until after the playoff game, Freeman became the best candidate to try to keep and semblance of a recruiting class together.
 

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"I think a realistic expectation is 9-3 seasons. Too many questions on Lines and Coaching. I think winning 2 out of 3 of the big games and not having any trap game losses for this staff is expecting a lot. Coach Kelly had nearly 20 years HC experience before ND hired him."

I think you mean LINE - D Line. The Offensive Line looks stacked. Yes, they need new guards. But ND has the single best left tackle in College Football, it might have a top 5 right tackle. Correll has some experience at center. Billy Schrauth is reported to be a beast at left guard. Right guard is going to Kristofic or Spindler. Yes, there is some transition. It's college football and everyone has transition. But tackle being handled by potentially the best tandem in college football is not a line question, it's a O Line strength.

ND does need to work on line chemistry and play. But they have four games to get that worked through before OSU. I believe O Line play will be an underlying strength.

Now D Line is full of questions.
 

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I don't think all of the smart guys wanted Freeman. I think a lot of people liked the idea of Fickell, but when it became clear that he wasn't (and shouldn't) leave Cincinnati until after the playoff game, Freeman became the best candidate to try to keep and semblance of a recruiting class together.
They're talking about Golden, not Freeman.
 

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Who is a 5 star QB and WR?? We have a Top 50 QB and WR. But not one service - even on their individual ratings - have either CJ or Cam as 5 star players as of right now. I am happy with them but when we actually land 5-star talent is when we will be able to get closer to a Natty.
Cam is ranked 34th overall in the composite. That's not technically a five star, but let's not pretend he's a .90 rated 4 star either. Cam is 100% the sort of talent that you can win a NC with. We need more like him, but he's the first WR we've gotten from that upper tier in years. I'm not going to trash the current coaching staff because they inherited a WR room that was hot garbage and have already turned it into what should be a strength (on paper).
 

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I think a realistic expectation is 9-3 seasons. Too many questions on Lines and Coaching. I think winning 2 out of 3 of the big games and not having any trap game losses for this staff is expecting a lot. Coach Kelly had nearly 20 years HC experience before ND hired him.
I would be incredibly disappointed with 9-3. 10-2 would be blah for me. I really expect 11-1 or better. Again, we will have the best qb in 11 of 12 games and a deep talented team pretty much everywhere.

Other than coaching staff this team has no business being worse than 10-2. I believe lack of WR development could make us be 10-2 (specifically tobias if he doesn't come on big).
 

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"I think a realistic expectation is 9-3 seasons. Too many questions on Lines and Coaching. I think winning 2 out of 3 of the big games and not having any trap game losses for this staff is expecting a lot. Coach Kelly had nearly 20 years HC experience before ND hired him."

I think you mean LINE - D Line. The Offensive Line looks stacked. Yes, they need new guards. But ND has the single best left tackle in College Football, it might have a top 5 right tackle. Correll has some experience at center. Billy Schrauth is reported to be a beast at left guard. Right guard is going to Kristofic or Spindler. Yes, there is some transition. It's college football and everyone has transition. But tackle being handled by potentially the best tandem in college football is not a line question, it's a O Line strength.

ND does need to work on line chemistry and play. But they have four games to get that worked through before OSU. I believe O Line play will be an underlying strength.

Now D Line is full of questions.
Is dline full of questions? Only major question i see is coaching and that huge body in the middle. They have a talented experienced line that just needs coaching. Their entire 2 deep is four stars that all the big boys wanted.
 

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Of course there are going to be aspects that need improvement.

One season, 13 games, and he's subpar? I know it wasn't the popular sexy hire that everyone wanted, but it's not pitchfork and torch time yet is it?

I watched Golden's ultra-conservative approach to all things defense for five years down here in Miami, which is what ultimately cost him his job. That and his complete inability to connect with local high school coaches and his abrasive approach to recruiting local talent (he wouldn't offer Lamar Jackson unless he camped at UM - and thus, no offer was ever made - and slow-played Amari Cooper, even though both were local kids begging to play for Miami). What I saw last year was a repeat of that approach, with a bit more talent than Miami had during those seasons to occasionally cover for his vanilla approach.

This guy is not the answer. If you're going to be an average/sub-par recruiter (which he is), you better be a defensive mastermind (which he is not). There are far better options for ND and I hope he takes a job elsewhere after this season.
 

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I watched Golden's ultra-conservative approach to all things defense for five years down here in Miami, which is what ultimately cost him his job. That and his complete inability to connect with local high school coaches and his abrasive approach to recruiting local talent (he wouldn't offer Lamar Jackson unless he camped at UM - and thus, no offer was ever made - and slow-played Amari Cooper, even though both were local kids begging to play for Miami). What I saw last year was a repeat of that approach, with a bit more talent than Miami had during those seasons to occasionally cover for his vanilla approach.

This guy is not the answer. If you're going to be an average/sub-par recruiter (which he is), you better be a defensive mastermind (which he is not). There are far better options for ND and I hope he takes a job elsewhere after this season.
Ok.
 

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I watched Golden's ultra-conservative approach to all things defense for five years down here in Miami, which is what ultimately cost him his job. That and his complete inability to connect with local high school coaches and his abrasive approach to recruiting local talent (he wouldn't offer Lamar Jackson unless he camped at UM - and thus, no offer was ever made - and slow-played Amari Cooper, even though both were local kids begging to play for Miami). What I saw last year was a repeat of that approach, with a bit more talent than Miami had during those seasons to occasionally cover for his vanilla approach.

This guy is not the answer. If you're going to be an average/sub-par recruiter (which he is), you better be a defensive mastermind (which he is not). There are far better options for ND and I hope he takes a job elsewhere after this season.
Yea seems like the long knives are coming out for Golden and Washington. The Defense was not dominate last year. I suppose if it gets dominate this year going 10-2 is really possible.
 

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Of all the things I watched last season,… concern over our DC is way low on my list.
I'm sure as shit not pinning Marshall and Stanford on him either.

I mean, there is clearly stuff that needs to be cleaned up and they're going to miss Foskey tremendously, but you hold Stanford to 16 points and lose, that's not on the defense.
 

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As far as the State of the Recruiting class goes.

I would also just like to add that even if we were to miss on all major targets presently on the board, I would be very surprised if this staff is done recruiting for cycle.

They're going to keep recruiting. Now could that mean they land some 3 stars nobody is excited about? Maybe. Could it also mean they find a Brandyn Hillman or two that end up 4 stars? Sure.

Still a long way to go in recruiting for us to speak with such certainties. Though, the class calculators are ridiculously fun.
 

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As far as the State of the Recruiting class goes.

I would also just like to add that even if we were to miss on all major targets presently on the board, I would be very surprised if this staff is done recruiting for cycle.

They're going to keep recruiting. Now could that mean they land some 3 stars nobody is excited about? Maybe. Could it also mean they find a Brandyn Hillman or two that end up 4 stars? Sure.

Still a long way to go in recruiting for us to speak with such certainties. Though, the class calculators are ridiculously fun.
This is all that matters to me. Keep going and grind out a class that is going to fill needs. Get the best possible players you can sign and WANT to be in the program. As you have stated before, I think that is where Kelly fell off when it came to recruiting. Keep breaking through walls until you find what you're looking for.
 

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This is all that matters to me. Keep going and grind out a class that is going to fill needs. Get the best possible players you can sign and WANT to be in the program. As you have stated before, I think that is where Kelly fell off when it came to recruiting. Keep breaking through walls until you find what you're looking for.
Results are all that should matter. Recruiting results and on the field results. Both help each other out.

Losing out on pretty much all our top targets remaining would not be good results.
 

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Results are all that should matter. Recruiting results and on the field results. Both help each other out.

Losing out on pretty much all our top targets remaining would not be good results.
Just to re-iterate you are using the word remaining as if at this moment in the time the board will forever be frozen as is.

We know this to not be true so I think it'd be wise to at least entertain the idea that even if we miss out on the current top targets, some others likely emerge.

If they miss on the rest of the present board and fill it with no one. Yes, that would be very disappointing. But that doesn't happen until December.
 

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Just to re-iterate you are using the word remaining as if at this moment in the time the board will forever be frozen as is.

We know this to not be true so I think it'd be wise to at least entertain the idea that even if we miss out on the current top targets, some others likely emerge.

If they miss on the rest of the present board and fill it with no one. Yes, that would be very disappointing. But that doesn't happen until December.
Which is an eternity for small children and stupid people, just to be fair.
 

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Some good points regarding recruiting. It very much seemed that when we missed on our top targets in the past towards the end of the cycle we just took what we had and focused on the next class. Granted the transfer portal wasn’t a thing and neither was NIL. The landscape has changed tremendously in the last few years and we have a coach who is perfect for the times.

I also believe this years team is set up better than most teams we’ve had in the past because of the talent across the board. Obviously, SH is going to be the biggest determining factor in whether or not this is a successful season. But if you look at the top teams this season none of them are as daunting as that 2012 Bama team. If they figure out their QB’s then it’s a different situation, but ND has a legitimate shot at going undefeated.
 

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Just to re-iterate you are using the word remaining as if at this moment in the time the board will forever be frozen as is.

We know this to not be true so I think it'd be wise to at least entertain the idea that even if we miss out on the current top targets, some others likely emerge.

If they miss on the rest of the present board and fill it with no one. Yes, that would be very disappointing. But that doesn't happen until December.
I think it's naive to think we're going to find close to as good of a LB, TE, OT, DE, DT that we've had good shots with. That just hasn't happened with recruiting at ND late in the cycle when we miss out on our main options. Yes, we might land someone late that's as good or better but the odds of that are the same probably as a deflection. The top programs are in it with multiple studs at each position, we're in it with 1
 

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I think it's naive to think we're going to find close to as good of a LB, TE, OT, DE, DT that we've had good shots with. That just hasn't happened with recruiting at ND late in the cycle when we miss out on our main options. Yes, we might land someone late that's as good or better but the odds of that are the same probably as a deflection. The top programs are in it with multiple studs at each position, we're in it with 1
I dunno. We missed out on Will Shipley but landed Estime and Diggs late in the cycle. For instance.
 
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