Another Shooting

[Jiggafini19Deux]

What's the difference in damage from an AR-15 and a similar caliber deer rifle?

To a father of three, nothing, really.

 

[Irish#1]

So what is your solution? What practical steps (not vagaries) do you take to combat gun violence? I know what you think the problem isn’t. How do we fix a “fragmented society,” “erosion of social norms,” “ mental health issues” without trampling people’s rights? What are your practical solutions to children being gunned down in schools, people being slaughtered in malls, churches, at concerts?

The GOP has just rejected a budget proposal that would have tripled the resources for the substance abuse and behavioral health administration, an agency designed to lead public health and service delivery efforts that promote mental health, prevent substance misuse, and provide treatments and supports to foster recovery. If mental health is the problem, why reject funds that would help? Seems like a practical solution to the problem you have identified. It’s almost like you don’t want to help at all, but rather condemn people who have actual practical solutions.

Restrictions on guns is the only practical solution, despite your flawed logic. For the same reason we don’t let children run with scissors, or allow people to smoke at gas pumps, we must remove the danger. It sounds like nothing but platitudes to push blame onto behavioral health and then decline to fund the remedy, to suggest that it is a societal issue and then refuse to see the elephant lumbering through every room. Respect, as has always been the case, is earned. If you don’t want people telling you your ideas are arcane, unproductive and dumb, come up with better ideas. But droning on about how society is the problem for society’s ills and then actively rejecting solutions that would help is nauseating. Instead of incessantly lecturing about how you are right when, un-restricted, the problem grows every year admit that your “solutions” are not solutions at all, but more of the same. It is tiresome and seems a lot like you’d rather have gun rights than safe classrooms. And that is not an opinion that merits respect.

They rejected the budget proposal overall, not because of the money for behavioral health. Let's see what we end up with.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They rejected the budget proposal overall, not because of the money for behavioral health. Let's see what we end up with.

Thoughts, prayers and bullshit?

Sorry, but the complex issues we face as a nation are so beyond the people we elect, I don't hold out a tremendous amount of hope anymore. Especially in D.C. I stick to local and state which is hard enough because you have the same bad actors doing the same bad lines.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

What do you consider recent years? Things are certainly no worse today than what was being said in Halo 2 or Modern Warfare lobbies when I was younger.

I'd say the last 10 years. And it's not so much as what's being said as the forum. If I'm in my best friends room and I say I fucked his Mom last night that's one thing. If I'm in my room and Joe Cocksucker from East Bumfuck says he fucked my Mom that's a different story.
The relationship that was built is 2 different animals.

I dont think anything can be more toxic than counterstrike:source.

It's not so much how toxic what is being said is because I can assure you as a teenage male my friends and I were just as toxic as any chat room, but more the relationships are different.

There is no correlation btw video games and violent shooting events. No other country comes close to us with mass ahootings and they are mostly less religious and have the same or worse video games.

Not so much gaming and shooting events That question should be asked and answered. But I do wonder if there is between the isolation of predominantly online gaming and the rise of the extreme mental health crisis we are also currently facing.
I think no matter what side of the debate we fall we can all agree that anyone who shoots up a school is obviously mentally unwell.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

LOL, don't take offense. Just because he was responding to you doesn't mean that my comment was directed at you. I have no clue where you stand on the issue. It was directed at anyone that wants to take away people's guns.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Wonder why we're so stressed

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Ridiculous

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Ridiculous, but common among multiple states.

Keeping track of what some of these state legislatures and state courts are doing is enough to make you incredibly confused.

 

[Irish#1]

Ridiculous

Agree. 21 seems more reasonable.

Cack, you, Toronto, G41 and SnD, please note this for future reference

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Agree. 21 seems more reasonable.

Cack, you, Toronto, G41 and SnD, please note this for future reference

If you will duly note that I do in fact own multiple guns and shoot at ranges regularly with my childrens.

I also have legally registered hands so I don’t need to carry guns in public.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I'd say the last 10 years. And it's not so much as what's being said as the forum. If I'm in my best friends room and I say I fucked his Mom last night that's one thing. If I'm in my room and Joe Cocksucker from East Bumfuck says he fucked my Mom that's a different story.
The relationship that was built is 2 different animals.

It's not so much how toxic what is being said is because I can assure you as a teenage male my friends and I were just as toxic as any chat room, but more the relationships are different.


Not so much gaming and shooting events That question should be asked and answered. But I do wonder if there is between the isolation of predominantly online gaming and the rise of the extreme mental health crisis we are also currently facing.
I think no matter what side of the debate we fall we can all agree that anyone who shoots up a school is obviously mentally unwell.

Eh if you listen to me or my son while we are online gaming it’s nothing different than the shot I’d say in a dugout or on a bench to my teammates. They still communicate it’s just different and there are different norms and unacceptable behaviors with the kids. My kid absolutely will not tolerate toxic groups.

I was in a 12 man raid team on ESO just last week and we had to PUG a few people. One of them was just straight up dropping n words left and right. We had fun ripping this person apart, recorded the group chat for a few minutes then booted them and reported them. Sent the video to the devs. Haha

 

[GATTACA!]

Wonder why we're so stressed

“What an emotional child.”

-Bishop

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Interesting

 

[NorthDakota]

Interesting

Gun deaths must be including suicide. Because I doubt Wyoming has 100+ murders per year, but I know they have very high gun ownership and the highest suicide rate in the country.

Since gun ownership is legal across all 50 states, I dont think implementing a California regimen nationally would do much.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Always be wary of charts and data that are oddly narrow in time frame. Show me what the data looked like for 2019 instead of 2020 during COVID lockdowns that were more stringent in these states, then I might be more open to consider it. Better yet, show me data over a 5 year period.

This smells like cherry picking data.

 

[TorontoGold]

“What an emotional child.”

-Bishop

Needs to have more real solutions like less rap music, and no video games.

 

[GoIrish41]

I don't like Alexa (she's eavesdropping), but there was a pretty big crime bill that got passed in 1994.

… that banned assault weapons.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If you will duly note that I do in fact own multiple guns and shoot at ranges regularly with my childrens.

I also have legally registered hands so I don’t need to carry guns in public.

"They" can have them when they take them from your cold, dead....wrists.

 

[NorthDakota]

… that banned assault weapons.

Correct. But it included a ton of things that would impact crime/shootings/etc.

Again, another attempt at banning "assault weapons" runs into some real constitutional problems. Paul Clement would be happy to cash some more checks.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Always be wary of charts and data that are oddly narrow in time frame. Show me what the data looked like for 2019 instead of 2020 during COVID lockdowns that were more stringent in these states, then I might be more open to consider it. Better yet, show me data over a 5 year period.

This smells like cherry picking data.

Here you go. Pick away

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Needs to have more real solutions like less rap music, and no video games.

Maybe a healthy respect for George Wallace?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I’ll never understand the new found hate for drag and why it all the rage now. I guess if you throw enough shit at a wall some of it sticks on your cousin fucking dumbass cultists.

1 vbuck to whoever guesses who is in this picture:

 

[Bishop2b5]

“What an emotional child.”

-Bishop

Yes or no: does a hysterical, crying, hand-wringing, upset person typically make better decisions than someone who is calm and focused?

Running around like a chicken with its head cut off or having a hysterical meltdown like an over-wrought 13-year-old girl makes for nothing but bad decisions. I want the person who can remain calm, focused, reasonable, and keep their wits about them making decisions. This hysterical, "Somebody do something!" nonsense is how you make nothing but bad decisions. Don't panic and cry "Do something!" Keep your wits about you and do the correct thing.

 

[GoIrish41]

I was looking at the average over that time period compared to the following 10 year period. The average was definitely down during the assault weapons ban.

I just now looked at your chart again and compared it to the suicide line on Toronto’s chart. The rise in shootings in the years after 2004 speaks mostly to the mental health as it rises in correlation to the suicide rate. It’s less about the sunseting of the ban, although it could play some part.

Ultimately we have school shootings because of mental health issues. How many would be prevented by an assault weapons ban or tougher background checks is anyones guess.

So your practical solution is to put this program into place, keep the guns, and wait 10 or 15 years to see if it works? What if it doesn’t? Fifteen more years of mass shootings that could have been stopped by removing these guns from the equation. I’m all for your plan (although your party would laugh you out of the room for suggesting they fund such a hippy idea) but why not do both things. Take the guns and help the kids with mental health. Why do you think those “checkups” and vaccinations that were also administered to the student body boot camp style in my grade school, went away?

 

[Irish#1]

I’ll never understand the new found hate for drag and why it all the rage now. I guess if you throw enough shit at a wall some of it sticks on your cousin fucking dumbass cultists.

1 vbuck to whoever guesses who is in this picture:
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That's me, Bishop and Drayer. You got a problem with it?

I think it has more to do with performing in front of little kids, than hate for drag itself.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

That's me, Bishop and Drayer. You got a problem with it?

Not there is anything wrong with it

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

"They" can have them when they take them from your cold, dead....wrists.

 

[Greenore]

That's me, Bishop and Drayer. You got a problem with it?

I think it has more to do with performing in front of little kids, than hate for drag itself.

That's a riot. I actually had typed out that it was you, Bishop and Cack but thought it may be taken the wrong way.

Bravo!!

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Bishop2b5]

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Attack on blacks: racism
Attack on Jews: antisemitism
Attack on LGBT: homophobia
Attack on Muslims: islamophobia
Attack on Christians: Let's make some jokes

What a witless dolt

 

[ab2cmiller]

Gun deaths must be including suicide. Because I doubt Wyoming has 100+ murders per year, but I know they have very high gun ownership and the highest suicide rate in the country.

Since gun ownership is legal across all 50 states, I dont think implementing a California regimen nationally would do much.

Here you go. Pick away

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

I dug into the data and it does include "self harm" incidents. Using an averages from 2016 to 2020, Wyoming had the 5th worst gun death rate overall, but almost all of it was from "self harm" incidents. If you exclude the self harm incidents, drops all the way to 34th.

The states with the worst gun death rates from self harm incidents was Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Idaho and New Mexico. The best New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, Hawaii and Rhode Island.

The worst states for gun death rates related to assault incidents was Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri and South Carolina. District of Columbia was the worst of all if you include them. The best Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Vermont and Rhode Island.

California has the toughest gun laws but ranked the 23rd best gun death rate related to assaults. Illinois has the 7th toughest gun laws but has the 9th worst gun death rate related to assaults.

It was kind of surprising that the total death rate for the United States from "self harm" incidents was close to double the assault rate.

*Edited to use better wording related to assaults.