‘23 VA ATH Brandyn Hillman (Michigan Verbal)

[NDPhilly]

Respect to Hillman for stating that publicly. Most star athletes would never.

 

[MacIrish75]

Respect to Hillman for stating that publicly. Most star athletes would never.

I will genuinely be hoping for his success up there at scUM. I hope they go 0-12, but that he shows out.

Salute, kid. Best of luck.

 

[Rack Em]

Who looks like moron now?

You’re missing an article in that sentence, so it might be you.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

You’re missing an article in that sentence, so it might be you.

Maybe he caveman?

 

[Irishdrunk]

Who looks like THE moron now?

FIFY

The staff for not getting the kid in and losing him to Michigan within 48 hours. Uh duh. Kudos for the kid being straight but why have the kid at spring ball or sign an NLI when he wasn't ready. So bad of a situation that Michigan picks him up within the week? Still looks bad. Kids a decent kid obviously for being straight.

 

[ColinKSU]

lol, Driskell saying Hillman's not telling the truth.

 

[Sea Turtle]

You’re missing an article in that sentence, so it might be you.

Hey, maybe he's this guy:

 

[rtrn2glory]

Are you saying he asked to get out of his NLI so he could go to an easier school? Or that he didn’t complete certain requirements to get in?

He kinda answered it.

 

[irishog77]

FIFY

The staff for not getting the kid in and losing him to Michigan within 48 hours. Uh duh. Kudos for the kid being straight but why have the kid at spring ball or sign an NLI when he wasn't ready. So bad of a situation that Michigan picks him up within the week? Still looks bad. Kids a decent kid obviously for being straight.

Do you understand how NLI's work and how and why a kid would be let out of one?

He signed his national letter of intent because both he and ND thought he would come to ND. It was almost like he intended to come to ND. Unless a kid is an EE and has already graduated, they are all simply letters of intention because the kids haven't actually graduated from high school, have incomplete transcripts, and can't enroll in college. By and large, it works this way for the rest of the student body. If you are accepted into the school in December, then proceed to get 7 F's your second semester of your senior year, it may not work out at ND.

If a kid isn't even going to be accepted into the school, why wouldn't ND and MF let him out of his letter of intent? His intentions would never result in reality. You think it looks bad for ND now? Wait until ND makes a kid honor an NLI that can't even be accepted into the school- that will play out real well in the media and recruiting circles. And in this day and age of transfer rules, why on earth would ND not let him out as well?

You have this weird disdain for ND that seeps into every thread. Here, you're now further mad at ND for letting a non-non-qualifier out of his NLI. It never ends. Your anti-ND disposition knows no ends. Please explain to us the benefits of not letting Hillman out of his NLI and how that is rooted in any sense of reality or logic. If you can't do that, simply post less and read more.

Signed,
The Vast Majority of Irish Envy

 

[irishff1014]

You’re missing an article in that sentence, so it might be you.

No need to post the same article that was posted right above mine.

 

[irish4ever]

It's almost hilarious in a sense that Meatchicken standards are low enough that they can get ND's "scraps" (NOT demeaning his athletic ability) from meeting academic standards! F*cking amazing! Oh well! What a life we live in nowadays!?! Muck Fichigan forever!!!!!!

 

[Grahambo]

lol, Driskell saying Hillman's not telling the truth.

Driskell…LOL

 

[stlnd01]

Respect to the kid for being straight up and accountable about it. I’d root for him almost anywhere but Michigan.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I wonder how much it had to do with him having a child.

 

[Luckylucci]

This always was the most plausible situation.

Freeman took Hillman’s commitment knowing what he needed to do. And, Hillman did as well. He just didn’t get it done.

Yet, we got these insane conspiracy theorist posts about the admin intentionally bombing Freeman’s tenure. Just some insanely stupid shit.

This is literally the exact same thing that happened to Markese Stepp. He just figured it out earlier in the process.

I think the most discussion worthy topic of this is why is Freeman not taking more S’s when one is a borderline qualifier and one is Peyton Bowen. The number should’ve been 5 or 6 the entire time. It was too important of a position to be handled this way.

 

[NDdomer2]

Kid didn't do the work needed means he likely wasn't going to be successful here anyways.

 

[dublinirish]

Kid didn't do the work needed means he likely wasn't going to be successful here anyways.

The academic support at ND for athletes is extremely good though just because he went to a bad HS and may have had middling grades does not mean he couldn’t have done well at ND


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[indianamouse]

This always was the most plausible situation.

Freeman took Hillman’s commitment knowing what he needed to do. And, Hillman did as well. He just didn’t get it done.

Yet, we got these insane conspiracy theorist posts about the admin intentionally bombing Freeman’s tenure. Just some insanely stupid shit.

This is literally the exact same thing that happened to Markese Stepp. He just figured it out earlier in the process.

I think the most discussion worthy topic of this is why is Freeman not taking more S’s when one is a borderline qualifier and one is Peyton Bowen. The number should’ve been 5 or 6 the entire time. It was too important of a position to be handled this way.

To add on to this freeman also said this won’t be the norm. Freeman is taking chances on borderline students, something some of the poster’s here’s hero Kelly stopped doing.

 

[Irishdrunk]

To add on to this freeman also said this won’t be the norm. Freeman is taking chances on borderline students, something some of the poster’s here’s hero Kelly stopped doing.

Freeman will learn ND's limitations. Don't try to get in a kid that the Admin will fuck you on. Its not a good look. He is now shopping down the same aisle even if he is busy with his shopping cart by just a little bit. The difference between Kelly and Freeman in the long run will be the coaching.

 

[indianamouse]

Freeman will learn ND's limitations. Don't try to get in a kid that the Admin will fuck you on. Its not a good look. He is now shopping down the same aisle even if he is busy with his shopping cart by just a little bit. The difference between Kelly and Freeman in the long run will be the coaching.

Not true. Freeman’s first recruiting class still brought in better athletes than 90% of Kelly’s classes. Kelly was a good coach, but an average recruiter.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Do you understand how NLI's work and how and why a kid would be let out of one?

He signed his national letter of intent because both he and ND thought he would come to ND. It was almost like he intended to come to ND. Unless a kid is an EE and has already graduated, they are all simply letters of intention because the kids haven't actually graduated from high school, have incomplete transcripts, and can't enroll in college. By and large, it works this way for the rest of the student body. If you are accepted into the school in December, then proceed to get 7 F's your second semester of your senior year, it may not work out at ND.

If a kid isn't even going to be accepted into the school, why wouldn't ND and MF let him out of his letter of intent? His intentions would never result in reality. You think it looks bad for ND now? Wait until ND makes a kid honor an NLI that can't even be accepted into the school- that will play out real well in the media and recruiting circles. And in this day and age of transfer rules, why on earth would ND not let him out as well?

You have this weird disdain for ND that seeps into every thread. Here, you're now further mad at ND for letting a non-non-qualifier out of his NLI. It never ends. Your anti-ND disposition knows no ends. Please explain to us the benefits of not letting Hillman out of his NLI and how that is rooted in any sense of reality or logic. If you can't do that, simply post less and read more.

Signed,
The Vast Majority of Irish Envy

I love ND for what it actually is not what fans think it is. I find humor in those fans that don't see the hurdles and think we are a program on level with the elites - but we are not. I guess I look at things more realistically than most.

Yes I know about an NLI Hog. But Freeman is now seeing why Kelly shopped in the Top 100 - Top 400 aisles and not tried for 5 stars or marginal academic kids. He also fought the University tooth and nail and came to the rightful concluding that there were too many obsticals to getting a Natty due to a lack of Admin Support so he left. Freeman will do the same...first he will recruit less and less Top 50 kids knowing that between academics, kids wanting to play in the SEC and NIL that its a low percentage close rate and will be in the same avenues as Kelly. Then he will have ongoing issues with Admin on staff and facilities - of which this Offseason was disaster.

I am sorry but if you have a kid let out of NLI because he couldn't make it into ND but then Michigan scoops him up, one of two things happened: there was an error or communication issue on expectations or ND's admissions is tight like Stanford and Northwestern and that again is something that Freeman owns because stretching to get kids then fail publicly asking out of a Spring NLI during an active recruiting period isn't a great look Hog.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Not true. Freeman’s first recruiting class still brought in better athletes than 90% of Kelly’s classes. Kelly was a good coach, but an average recruiter.

Indiana Mouse his first class was this class and it slid from #1 to #3 to #5 and then #9. Its better than an average Kelly class. I recognize that. But its not elite. Its not shopping down a "different aisle". Its not very far from a Kelly class. The next issue is whether Freeman can get as much out of his recruits as Kelly got out of his recruits. If so, then CFP should happen but I doubt that will happen. Kelly does get a lot out of his players.

 

[indianamouse]

Indiana Mouse his first class was this class and it slid from #1 to #3 to #5 and then #9. It’s better than an average Kelly class. I recognize that. But it’s not elite. It’s not shopping down a "different aisle". It’s not very far from a Kelly class. The next issue is whether Freeman can get as much out of his recruits as Kelly got out of his recruits. If so, then CFP should happen but I doubt that will happen. Kelly does get a lot out of his players.

He did, but he didn’t recruit athletes, which is why you are now seeing barely any players drafted by the nfl. I think you’ll definitely see a shift in athleticism with freeman. Kelly can coach, there’s no doubt, but without the athletes he will always be second tier. Freeman can get the athletes, he’ll get the coaching thing down soon enough as well.

 

[NDdomer2]

The academic support at ND for athletes is extremely good though just because he went to a bad HS and may have had middling grades does not mean he couldn’t have done well at ND


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I'm guessing there's plenty of academic support available at his HS too.

HS IS NOT HARD

 

[NDFAN420]

prop 48 kids did well at ND, very very well. Those kinds of athletes give our admin the yuckies. Stop defending the ND admin, they know not what they do.

 

[dublinirish]

I'm guessing there's plenty of academic support available at his HS too.

HS IS NOT HARD

His HS was rated as one of the worst in VA I thought?


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[Crazy Balki]

This always was the most plausible situation.

Freeman took Hillman’s commitment knowing what he needed to do. And, Hillman did as well. He just didn’t get it done.

Yet, we got these insane conspiracy theorist posts about the admin intentionally bombing Freeman’s tenure. Just some insanely stupid shit.

This is literally the exact same thing that happened to Markese Stepp. He just figured it out earlier in the process.

I think the most discussion worthy topic of this is why is Freeman not taking more S’s when one is a borderline qualifier and one is Peyton Bowen. The number should’ve been 5 or 6 the entire time. It was too important of a position to be handled this way.

The admin isn't intentionally bombing Freeman's tenure. But one has to ask this.

Hillman had to get something done to get admitted to ND. That didn't happen.

Whatever that thing was that didn't happen wasn't an obstacle for virtually every other school that offered him.

So the question shouldn't be "why didn't Hillman get done what needed to get done?", it should be "Why is ND the only program going after Hillman requiring this to get done for admission?"

ND's administration may not be intentionally plotting to ruin Freeman's ability to win, but this is still an indictment of ND as a whole, and how they've operated for some time. Hillman is just one of many instances where ND's administration has (whether intentional or not) screwed things up for the football program, spanning decades.

ND should not have any more issue getting a student athlete into school than any other top 25 university. If this were Alabama or Ohio State we were talking about that's one thing. Michigan, Virginia and Vanderbilt are in ND's realm of prestige, if not higher in Vanderbilt's case.

What ND's administration should be figuring out is how this gets fixed. What happened with Hillman is just another example of ND's inability or downright refusal to accept change and adapt to it. This may be a small exception, but ND can't afford these "small exceptions" when they're already dealing with razor thin margins for error. The transfer portal, NIL, admissions, facilities, etc.

 

[Irish du Nord]

This always was the most plausible situation.

Freeman took Hillman’s commitment knowing what he needed to do. And, Hillman did as well. He just didn’t get it done.

Yet, we got these insane conspiracy theorist posts about the admin intentionally bombing Freeman’s tenure. Just some insanely stupid shit.

This is literally the exact same thing that happened to Markese Stepp. He just figured it out earlier in the process.

I think the most discussion worthy topic of this is why is Freeman not taking more S’s when one is a borderline qualifier and one is Peyton Bowen. The number should’ve been 5 or 6 the entire time. It was too important of a position to be handled this way.

I’d feel a lot better taking 2-3 Safeties if we had more than two corners in the class. It doesn’t give us very much flexibility to have 4 DBs in total

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

The admin isn't intentionally bombing Freeman's tenure. But one has to ask this.

Hillman had to get something done to get admitted to ND. That didn't happen.

Whatever that thing was that didn't happen wasn't an obstacle for virtually every other school that offered him.

So the question shouldn't be "why didn't Hillman get done what needed to get done?", it should be "Why is ND the only program going after Hillman requiring this to get done for admission?"

ND's administration may not be intentionally plotting to ruin Freeman's ability to win, but this is still an indictment of ND as a whole, and how they've operated for some time. Hillman is just one of many instances where ND's administration has (whether intentional or not) screwed things up for the football program, spanning decades.

ND should not have any more issue getting a student athlete into school than any other top 25 university. If this were Alabama or Ohio State we were talking about that's one thing. Michigan, Virginia and Vanderbilt are in ND's realm of prestige, if not higher in Vanderbilt's case.

What ND's administration should be figuring out is how this gets fixed. What happened with Hillman is just another example of ND's inability or downright refusal to accept change and adapt to it. This may be a small exception, but ND can't afford these "small exceptions" when they're already dealing with razor thin margins for error. The transfer portal, NIL, admissions, facilities, etc.

Admin did not screw this up for the football program. Brandyn screwed this up. If ND is clear and up front about what it takes for admission, they do not need to lower the bar for kids who have the opportunity but fail to do their part to meet the standard.
As much as I would love for them to win a natty again soon, you need to come to grips that you are cheering for a football program that has high academic and admission standards and wont compromise. Its as simple as that and I am sure MF understood that when he took the job. People need to stop acting like he is some sort of victim here.

 

[NDdomer2]

His HS was rated as one of the worst in VA I thought?


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There's always help if you seek it.

If he chose not to do the work the university should grant him an exception because they have good support in place?