2022-2023 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

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Swarbrick shares some of the blame. IMO Brey has been on cruise control for the last 2-3 years. Swarbrick should have put a succession plan in place 2-3 years ago. Similar to Purdue when Keady was near the end and they hired Painter who spent a couple of years as his AHC before taking over. IIRC UNC and Duke did similar transitions.
 
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If Brey just retires at the end of last year, I'd bet we are in a significantly more positive mindset about ND basketball. The move to return, which he admitted he wasn't positive about, realistically set them back for multiple seasons barring a miracle change in the portal.
 
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So most of the players on our roster wanted to play for Brey, they weren't there for the degree or because they wanted to play for ND.

They wanted to play for Brey, and they, for the most part, were crap.
 
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Ironically the competition as "greatest ND MBB coach ever" probably comes down to Brey vs Digger. Digger left us with a bunch of shitty players who wouldn't leave thereby clogging up the roster for his successor. And Brey's leaving us with no players cause everyone wants to leave.
 
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Because he’s their former coach and they realize how good he actually was in Bloomington before they ran him off for Lil Archie Miller?
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I know of no IU fans that want Crean back. They are glad he is gone and want to move forward. ND can’t recruit th athletes needed to run Crean’s style and he plays absolutely no defense
 
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notredomer23 said:
There are plenty of examples within Notre Dame sports programs of athletes entering the portal and returning, baseball and football included. This is the smart choice. Depending on the coach, their abilities may not be maximized with the new coach and therefore their futures impacted. Idk why you wouldn't want athletes to choose what they feel is best for them when you can literally get up and leave your job at the snap of the finger if you wanted to.
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I look at the portal like I do Linked In right now. A year ago I was in a drab spot at my job. Salary freezes, no bonuses. Working just as hard or harder and upward mobility was not really an option. I flipped on looking for opportunities on Linked in and had 75 job offers within two days. In a matter of two weeks had a new job closer to home (commute went from 25 miles to less than one mile), 35% increase in salary, spent less time commuting and less money on gas, I’m getting to work on more profitable Projects, quarterly bonuses, and ultimately was a promotion. I honestly had no idea how much I was leaving on the table. I loved the guys I worked with formerly. I learned a lot and they were great people.

Why can’t an athlete do the same? Makes no sense.
 
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I want someone like Pat Kelsey. Holtmann has 'P5' coaching experience, which is good, but his record at OSU is underwhelming (conference record is around .500). We know other coaches have been able to win there, it's not like PSU or something where that sort of record is impressive.
 
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Holtmann would be a solid hire but I don't see how he gets ND to a level above what Brey took them.
 
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Just hire someone and put this fire out.
ND turning into mini-O$U, without the dollar sign.
 
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Holtmann’s buyout is 2.5 million. Might be to rich for the athletic department to pay for a basketball coach.
 
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Cackalacky2.0 said:
I look at the portal like I do Linked In right now. A year ago I was in a drab spot at my job. Salary freezes, no bonuses. Working just as hard or harder and upward mobility was not really an option. I flipped on looking for opportunities on Linked in and had 75 job offers within two days. In a matter of two weeks had a new job closer to home (commute went from 25 miles to less than one mile), 35% increase in salary, spent less time commuting and less money on gas, I’m getting to work on more profitable Projects, quarterly bonuses, and ultimately was a promotion. I honestly had no idea how much I was leaving on the table. I loved the guys I worked with formerly. I learned a lot and they were great people.

Why can’t an athlete do the same? Makes no sense.
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So what are you saying? Your not available to coach?
 
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notredomer23 said:
Holtmann would be a solid hire but I don't see how he gets ND to a level above what Brey took them.
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A strong argument can be made that he's a level below Brey from a coaching tier standpoint. He's only gotten out of the 2nd round once in 9 years as a head coach with 7 tournament appearances, and that was his last year at Butler. He's consistently done less with more, which seems like a bad match at a place like ND where MBB is somewhere between secondary priority and afterthought.
 
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sfk324 said:
A strong argument can be made that he's a level below Brey from a coaching tier standpoint. He's only gotten out of the 2nd round once in 9 years as a head coach with 7 tournament appearances, and that was his last year at Butler. He's consistently done less with more, which seems like a bad match at a place like ND where MBB is somewhere between secondary priority and afterthought.
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Tom Noie is that you? I wouldn’t say he’s a tier below Brey. You do know Brey only made it out of the 2nd round three times in 23 years right?


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sfk324 said:
A strong argument can be made that he's a level below Brey from a coaching tier standpoint. He's only gotten out of the 2nd round once in 9 years as a head coach with 7 tournament appearances, and that was his last year at Butler. He's consistently done less with more, which seems like a bad match at a place like ND where MBB is somewhere between secondary priority and afterthought.
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A strong argument could also be made that Brey is currently coaching multiple tiers below his own resume
 
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LOL at those wanting a proven coach that can get beyond the 2nd round of the tournament with regularity.

Our program is currently a dumpster fire. If there is a coach that wants to jump aboard that up till this year had 7 straight appearances in the big dance, you take that without a second thought.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
LOL at those wanting a proven coach that can get beyond the 2nd round of the tournament with regularity.

Our program is currently a dumpster fire. If there is a coach that wants to jump aboard that up till this year had 7 straight appearances in the big dance, you take that without a second thought.
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I see your point and tend to agree. I think I am happy with Holtmann. I just think one of the others like Shrewsbury have a higher ceiling which I'd prefer given it's going to take time to rebuild.
 
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