Trump Presidency

[GATTACA!]

And no one is arguing that Trump's actions were okay. Give Trump 10 years in prison and Joe 5. I'm okay with that. We don't know that Joe just misplaced or lost documents, but even if he did, what does that say about Biden and his concern for national security? Particularly when the find them in a garage? He could at least put them in an old shoe box with some family pics.

People were absolutely arguing that the raid on Mar a Lago was political theater and that what Trump did was NBD when that was going down.

To your point though I'd happy sign up for those jail sentences.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm looking for an update. They finally got him, right? This wasn't another misleading, overblown, political stunt just before an election or anything, right? This time they really got him! Smoking gun, walls closing in, he's really going down? I mean, we aren't gonna have another Dennis Green moment here, are we?

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People were absolutely arguing that the raid on Mar a Lago was political theater and that what Trump did was NBD when that was going down.

To your point though I'd happy sign up for those jail sentences.

Well well well we have the retcon apologist squad back at it again. lol.

1) Claim it's fake news
2) False equivalence to another item in the news cycle
3) Other item is actually worse than what happened with Trump
4) Once it's clear initial item is worse, both sides are actually equally bad
5) Wait no, no one ever denied what happened first is bad. Calm down lib.

The very fact based arbiters guide to truth finding and using logic and no emotion.

 

[TorontoGold]

1. Each of those three is a murderer.

2. Intent is not EVERYTHING, as that is not the legal standard. The standard is gross negligence. Leaving classified documents all over the place sounds pretty grossly negligent to me.

Those who do so may be imprisoned for ten years. All without even having intended to do so.

Similar but not the same, but I've dealt with the IRS on multi year tax audits where they claimed our client owed >$1M in unpaid taxes. We found our client was not following the proper tax treatment for one of their sales lines. You know what kept the company from receiving any sort of criminal charges? Complying and willingness to rectify the situation. If we didn't work with the IRS it would have been a lot worse.

A whole host of things could have gone wrong if the client had the wrong intent and didn't work with the feds to sort things out.

 

[yankeehater]

Charles McGonigal FBI official who went after Pres Trump for the Russia collusion hoax arrested for colluding with Russia. Accuse them of doing what you are doing! Can't make this shit up!

Sidenote....he is the highest FBI official to be charged with a crime.

Trump savages FBI official arrested for colluding with Russia: ‘May he rot in hell’

Former President Donald Trump didn’t mince words Tuesday, tearing into a retired FBI counterintelligence official who spearheaded the Trump-Russia probe and was arrested this week on charges of conspiring with a Russian oligarch.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Charles McGonigal FBI official who went after Pres Trump for the Russia collusion hoax arrested for colluding with Russia. Accuse them of doing what you are doing! Can't make this shit up!

Sidenote....he is the highest FBI official to be charged with a crime.

Trump savages FBI official arrested for colluding with Russia: ‘May he rot in hell’

Former President Donald Trump didn’t mince words Tuesday, tearing into a retired FBI counterintelligence official who spearheaded the Trump-Russia probe and was arrested this week on charges of conspiring with a Russian oligarch.

www.washingtontimes.com

Those damn leftists at the FBI!

 

[Irish#1]

Well well well we have the retcon apologist squad back at it again. lol.

1) Claim it's fake news
2) False equivalence to another item in the news cycle
3) Other item is actually worse than what happened with Trump
4) Once it's clear initial item is worse, both sides are actually equally bad
5) Wait no, no one ever denied what happened first is bad. Calm down lib.

The very fact based arbiters guide to truth finding and using logic and no emotion.

Why am I having a severe case of Deja Vu after reading this? Apologies to CSN&Y, great album.

 

[chisea03]

Proud Boys 'intend to subpoena' Trump at their seditious conspiracy trial: report

Brad Reed

 

[jprue24]

1. Each of those three is a murderer.

2. Intent is not EVERYTHING, as that is not the legal standard. The standard is gross negligence. Leaving classified documents all over the place sounds pretty grossly negligent to me.

Those who do so may be imprisoned for ten years. All without even having intended to do so.

1. Does not take away from my point because in this scenario Trump is a "murderer" and Biden and Pence committed "involuntary manslaughter" or something.

2. There is more than one legal standard that applies, "Willful" is a legal standard that gets attached to the level of negligence and that particular legal standard goes a very long way to determining the punishment.

From the DOJ - "An act is done 'willfully' if done voluntarily and intentionally and with the specific intent to do something the law forbids."

910. Knowingly and Willfully

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www.justice.gov

Reads like intent to me.


Tell me more about those spending 10 years in jail (if any time in jail) for unintentionally mishandling classified information (hint: there aren't any).

Intent is literally the reason the FBI gave for not recommending charges for Hillary Clinton. Here is the FBI saying exactly that.

Just to put a bow on this, here is what US code says.

"Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both." (emphisis mine)

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[calvegas04]

Republican party needs to hit reset and go back to 2000 GWB policies or they may never win again.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Just rid us of Trump and Biden please.

 

[chisea03]

Bill Barr asked Italian officials to discredit Russia probe — they responded with evidence linking Trump to crimes...

Brad Reed


A new report from the New York Times details how former Attorney General Bill Barr's efforts to discredit the probe into the Trump campaign's contacts with Russian agents completely floundered.

particularly telling section of the Times' story involves a trip that Barr made to Italy in order to push officials in that country for evidence that the Russia investigation was part of an elaborate setup designed to damage former President Donald Trump politically.

The Italian officials responded by offering evidence of wrongdoing of a very different sort.

"Italian officials... unexpectedly offered a potentially explosive tip linking Mr. Trump to certain suspected financial crimes," the Times reports. "Mr. Barr and [former special counsel John] Durham decided that the tip was too serious and credible to ignore. But rather than assign it to another prosecutor, Mr. Barr had Mr. Durham investigate the matter himself."

Durham never filed charges based on the tip the Italian officials gave and it's not clear just how closely he probed the purported evidence into Trump's prospective financial crimes.

 

[jprue24]

Bill Barr asked Italian officials to discredit Russia probe — they responded with evidence linking Trump to crimes...

Brad Reed


A new report from the New York Times details how former Attorney General Bill Barr's efforts to discredit the probe into the Trump campaign's contacts with Russian agents completely floundered.

particularly telling section of the Times' story involves a trip that Barr made to Italy in order to push officials in that country for evidence that the Russia investigation was part of an elaborate setup designed to damage former President Donald Trump politically.

The Italian officials responded by offering evidence of wrongdoing of a very different sort.

"Italian officials... unexpectedly offered a potentially explosive tip linking Mr. Trump to certain suspected financial crimes," the Times reports. "Mr. Barr and [former special counsel John] Durham decided that the tip was too serious and credible to ignore. But rather than assign it to another prosecutor, Mr. Barr had Mr. Durham investigate the matter himself."

Durham never filed charges based on the tip the Italian officials gave and it's not clear just how closely he probed the purported evidence into Trump's prospective financial crimes.

Here is a free version of the NYT article...

How Barr’s Quest to Find Flaws in the Russia Inquiry Unraveled (Published 2023)

The review by John Durham at one point veered into a criminal investigation related to Donald Trump himself, even as it failed to find wrongdoing in the origins of the Russia inquiry.

www.nytimes.com

 

[jprue24]

Charles McGonigal FBI official who went after Pres Trump for the Russia collusion hoax arrested for colluding with Russia. Accuse them of doing what you are doing! Can't make this shit up!

Sidenote....he is the highest FBI official to be charged with a crime.

Trump savages FBI official arrested for colluding with Russia: ‘May he rot in hell’

Former President Donald Trump didn’t mince words Tuesday, tearing into a retired FBI counterintelligence official who spearheaded the Trump-Russia probe and was arrested this week on charges of conspiring with a Russian oligarch.

www.washingtontimes.com

He was not assigned to Russia/Trump investigation nor played a big role in it. That investigation ran out of DC, he was in NY.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Republican party needs to hit reset and go back to 2000 GWB policies or they may never win again.

If this means a couple of wars, my answer is a hard no.

 

[Wild Bill]

Republican party needs to hit reset and go back to 2000 GWB policies or they may never win again.

Lol

 

[laughingirish90]

Just rid us of Trump and Biden please.

we have a certain fellow down in Florida who will lead us to victory over the left. knew he was a threat for the white house once hollywood and other lefties from Washington started bashing him this past fall

 

[GATTACA!]

we have a certain fellow down in Florida who will lead us to victory over the left. knew he was a threat for the white house once hollywood and other lefties from Washington started bashing him this past fall

No book will be safe!

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

we have a certain fellow down in Florida who will lead us to victory over the left. knew he was a threat for the white house once hollywood and other lefties from Washington started bashing him this past fall

He has the personality of a seldom used broom in the garage, but he definitely resonates with some people out there, I'll give you that.

 

[Bishop2b5]

He has the personality of a seldom used broom in the garage, but he definitely resonates with some people out there, I'll give you that.

Who gives a flip about personality in a candidate? I don't care about the personality of my president, or my heart surgeon, or my football coach, or my investment manager. I care about their ability. Period. Candidates with personality are fine, but not necessary. Give me a dull competent guy over a charismatic buffoon or shithead any day.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Who gives a flip about personality in a candidate? I don't care about the personality of my president, or my heart surgeon, or my football coach, or my investment manager. I care about their ability. Period. Candidates with personality are fine, but not necessary. Give me a dull competent guy over a charismatic buffoon or shithead any day.

Oh, he's dull alright. Competent, I guess we'll see. To his credit, nobody does a culture war and throw red meat to the base as well on either side of the aisle. He's skilled in that respect, regardless of whether anyone agrees with it or not.

It is likely a fairly decent trait for the Leader of the Free World to be able to relate with and connect with people. Middle America and "Flyover Country" are not Florida. Neither is the National Media. Whatever his future plans are, I look forward to seeing them play out on the national stage. DeSantis is a dad joke meme. Really tries to be funny but more often than not comes off stale.

As for competence and ability, the overwhelming redeeming quality he seems to have is his ability to "lead us to victory over the left". It doesn't ooze good policy and making people's lives better and safer. Hogan, Baker (while he was in politics) and DeWine to an extent all have more of both in my opinion, however candidates cut from that type of cloth are likely not making it out of a primary right now.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Oh, he's dull alright. Competent, I guess we'll see. To his credit, nobody does a culture war and throw red meat to the base as well on either side of the aisle. He's skilled in that respect, regardless of whether anyone agrees with it or not.

It is likely a fairly decent trait for the Leader of the Free World to be able to relate with and connect with people. Middle America and "Flyover Country" are not Florida. Neither is the National Media. Whatever his future plans are, I look forward to seeing them play out on the national stage. DeSantis is a dad joke meme. Really tries to be funny but more often than not comes off stale.

As for competence and ability, the overwhelming redeeming quality he seems to have is his ability to "lead us to victory over the left". It doesn't ooze good policy and making people's lives better and safer. Hogan, Baker (while he was in politics) and DeWine to an extent all have more of both in my opinion, however candidates cut from that type of cloth are likely not making it out of a primary right now.

His “anti woke” policy is pretty horrendous. It’s essentially a prohetero wipipo agenda and whitewashing reality

 

[Irish#1]

No book will be safe!

It will be a shame if we have to go back to teaching reading, writing and arithmetic.

 

[GATTACA!]

It will be a shame if we have to go back to teaching reading, writing and arithmetic.

If the kids can't read why is everyone in Florida so worried about them wandering into a library and learning about gay people?

 

[TorontoGold]

If the kids can't read why is everyone in Florida so worried about them wandering into a library and learning about gay people?

It's gay to be smart! Universities have gone too woke! You know the places with astronomical costs that put many in debt. Teachers have agendas these days, not like back in my day when teachers weren't real people and didn't have thoughts.

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[Cackalacky2.0]

If the kids can't read why is everyone in Florida so worried about them wandering into a library and learning about gay people?

That’s why they have lots of success in their culture wars ….they leave nothing left to chance multiple attack angles

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

His “anti woke” policy is pretty horrendous. It’s essentially a prohetero wipipo agenda and whitewashing reality

He could be Trump Lite, or he could be Scott Walker 2.0. Guess we'll see how it all plays out.

 

[chisea03]

 

[NorthDakota]

His “anti woke” policy is pretty horrendous. It’s essentially a prohetero wipipo agenda and whitewashing reality

Are you referring to DeSantis? The culture war stuff is where he wins.

I get it. You have a lesbian sister or whatever and are hypersensitive. But the polling on basically anything the dude does relating to "woke" or "culture war" stuff is pretty amazing.

Dude has his finger on America's pulse better than anyone I've seen.

What is wipipo?

 

[jprue24]

Dude has his finger on America's pulse better than anyone I've seen.

I disagree, but what causes you to believe that?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I disagree, but what causes you to believe that?

He’s able to tap into America’s racist underbelly like Trump, but without the baggage.