'18 SC QB Sam Hartman (Notre Dame Transfer)

[IrishLax]

Should just redo the entire 2022 season starting in like March but we get Hartman this time around.

 

[IrishLax]

So to paraphrase from a few sites, there was no upfront NIL involved. In fact, the several target QBs reached out to ND first about playing here to gauge NDs interest, and if it was mutual, jump in the portal. There were like 5 or 6 QBs that were interested, but ND told a lot of them they weren't interested (Kedon Slovis GTFO.) Hartman was interested and the staff determined he was the best fit. Hartman wants to improve his draft stock playing in a more pro style and saw a good fit with Rees and ND. NIL from being the starting QB at ND didn't hurt either from what I read.

ND passing on Hudson Card ended up being a pretty bold move and well executed to get a proven player like Hartman. I feel like if I was in Rees' shoes I would've just jumped at the bird in hand.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

ND passing on Hudson Card ended up being a pretty bold move and well executed to get a proven player like Hartman. I feel like if I was in Rees' shoes I would've just jumped at the bird in hand.

Makes you wonder if there was some "approved" communications between them, or some "back channel" stuff going on. Either way, I wonder if ND kinda knew it was in the bag for lack of a better term.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

ND passing on Hudson Card ended up being a pretty bold move and well executed to get a proven player like Hartman. I feel like if I was in Rees' shoes I would've just jumped at the bird in hand.

Very good point. Have to imagine there were some "tampering" talks before the door was closed shut on Card, and full focus turned to Hartman...but gutsy by the young staff to say the least. Major props to them for pulling it off.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Very good point. Have to imagine there were some "tampering" talks before the door was closed shut on Card, and full focus turned to Hartman...but gutsy by the young staff to say the least. Major props to them for pulling it off.

If Clawson and WF knew he wasn't coming back, and Hartman had his eyes on ND/ reached out, is that Tampering? If Clawson/Free/Rees all had a discussion about it, then it is above board right?

 

[Irish#1]

ND passing on Hudson Card ended up being a pretty bold move and well executed to get a proven player like Hartman. I feel like if I was in Rees' shoes I would've just jumped at the bird in hand.

JMO, but I think MF had this worked out before they passed on Card. If not, then MF hasn't been learning his lessons given what's happened with the recruiting.

 

[rtrn2glory]

ND passing on Hudson Card ended up being a pretty bold move and well executed to get a proven player like Hartman. I feel like if I was in Rees' shoes I would've just jumped at the bird in hand.

Pretty much shows the recruiting mentality at least in how we recruit the QB position hasn't changed at all. All your chips in one basket and if it don't workout you're screwed. Maybe the portal will help at least help alleviate this when we miss in regular recruiting.

 

[texbender]

Great to see Hartman is joining the team. Definitely an upgrade for the Offense, short and long-term. Hope we can find a DL player or two, and also a Safety. Next season should be fun and on the upswing.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Some stats and information about our new guy; some maybe relevant.

Last season Notre Dame had one receiver in the top 200 as far as yards gained (Mayer #80.)
Last season Wake Forest had FIVE receivers in that top 200 (Perry #16; Greene #136; Banks #139; Morin #179; Williams #195.)
What to take from this? a). Our passing was somewhat dysfunctional and dependent upon one elite guy;
b). WFs passing was highly functional and the QB must have been the major reason for that, as, even with one real stud, (Perry),
no one can entertain the notion that WF is a WR paradise of recruitment but that a certain QB makes ordinary WRs really good.

NCState late in the season said this ahead of their WF game:
"Quarterback Sam Hartman spreads ball around. Wake Forest’s Hartman has found five different receivers for at least 23 receptions, and tight end Blake Whiteheart added 16 receptions for 208 yards and three touchdowns.
WFU has a blend of tall receivers and slot guys, and Hartman finds them like a point guard. Perry and Banks are both at least 6-4 and have a combined 13 touchdowns this season."
What to take from this: Hartman is really good and was feared by opponents. He also ran a generally quick-delivery offense, rather than a bombing offense. His receivers themselves were not deep threats, so the jury is out as to whether Hartman would be efficient with deep balls. If Notre Dame can develop deep threat receivers, and the OLine holds up, there is no reason to assume that he cannot bomb you as well.

Hartman had for him a bad game against Louisville. It was mostly not on him.
"Louisville had eight sacks against Wake Forest, with eight different players recording one. The Cardinals combined some sneaky blitzes from defensive backs, and also pushed the Demon Deacons offensive line up the middle to get a direct path to quarterback Hartman."
What to take from this: I doubt that Coach Harry will allow any OLine breakdowns of that sort, but it's also up to the RBs and TEs to pick up these sorts of blitzers (as usual.) Past that, it also shows that Hartman can have a "bad" game and it STILL not be his primary fault.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Top 10 returning quarterbacks in college football for the 2022 season

The Georgia Bulldogs are college football's 2021-22 national champions. Now we turn to next season, when several returning signal-callers will look to help their teams hoist the College Football Playoff National Championship trophy.

www.pff.com

From approximately a year ago. Ranked Sam #5 returning QB going into this past year with only Caleb Williams and Rattler ahead of him of the guys that are also returning for 2023. Young and Stroud were the other two ranked ahead of him.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

If Clawson and WF knew he wasn't coming back, and Hartman had his eyes on ND/ reached out, is that Tampering? If Clawson/Free/Rees all had a discussion about it, then it is above board right?

Yes, I would agree if Hartman reached out first to the staff then I see no problem with it. Hudson Card committed to Purdue on the 26th, and Hartman played for Wake Forest last on the 23rd...so its entirely possible all this moved so fast that official communication didn't start until after he played his last down for Wake...but that seems naive to believe.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Some stats and information about our new guy; some maybe relevant.

Last season Notre Dame had one receiver in the top 200 as far as yards gained (Mayer #80.)
Last season Wake Forest had FIVE receivers in that top 200 (Perry #16; Greene #136; Banks #139; Morin #179; Williams #195.)
What to take from this? a). Our passing was somewhat dysfunctional and dependent upon one elite guy;
b). WFs passing was highly functional and the QB must have been the major reason for that, as, even with one real stud, (Perry),
no one can entertain the notion that WF is a WR paradise of recruitment but that a certain QB makes ordinary WRs really good.

NCState late in the season said this ahead of their WF game:
"Quarterback Sam Hartman spreads ball around. Wake Forest’s Hartman has found five different receivers for at least 23 receptions, and tight end Blake Whiteheart added 16 receptions for 208 yards and three touchdowns.
WFU has a blend of tall receivers and slot guys, and Hartman finds them like a point guard. Perry and Banks are both at least 6-4 and have a combined 13 touchdowns this season."
What to take from this: Hartman is really good and was feared by opponents. He also ran a generally quick-delivery offense, rather than a bombing offense. His receivers themselves were not deep threats, so the jury is out as to whether Hartman would be efficient with deep balls. If Notre Dame can develop deep threat receivers, and the OLine holds up, there is no reason to assume that he cannot bomb you as well.

Hartman had for him a bad game against Louisville. It was mostly not on him.
"Louisville had eight sacks against Wake Forest, with eight different players recording one. The Cardinals combined some sneaky blitzes from defensive backs, and also pushed the Demon Deacons offensive line up the middle to get a direct path to quarterback Hartman."
What to take from this: I doubt that Coach Harry will allow any OLine breakdowns of that sort, but it's also up to the RBs and TEs to pick up these sorts of blitzers (as usual.) Past that, it also shows that Hartman can have a "bad" game and it STILL not be his primary fault.

Apparently statistics don't mean shit to whoever said this.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Comment was just to say that Hartman's offense did not emphasize this and his receivers weren't geared for it. I personally think the guy can do it all.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Mrs. Hartman awoooooga

Someone is a little too into jersey shore women....

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Comment was just to say that Hartman's offense did not emphasize this and his receivers weren't geared for it. I personally think the guy can do it all.

Wasn't directed at you in a negative, more tongue and cheek, just saying the jury is out if he can throw the deep ball is not accurate. His stats say he is one of the more effective/often to throw it.

 

[ThePiombino]

Why he wears #10

Absolutely gut wrenching. The way the mom talks about it coming on so fast, no warning, nothing. Oof.

 

[irishff1014]

ND passing on Hudson Card ended up being a pretty bold move and well executed to get a proven player like Hartman. I feel like if I was in Rees' shoes I would've just jumped at the bird in hand.

Like Greg and Jamie said yesterday on their show. It also appears by passing on Card that they have faith in TB and that working with Hartman he is only gonna get better. So if Hartman does get hurt and since he only has one year left TB will be ready to go. Card might have been a better option if that didn’t believe in TB.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Yes, I would agree if Hartman reached out first to the staff then I see no problem with it. Hudson Card committed to Purdue on the 26th, and Hartman played for Wake Forest last on the 23rd...so its entirely possible all this moved so fast that official communication didn't start until after he played his last down for Wake...but that seems naive to believe.

Agreed. I also think it comes down to what the actual definition of tampering is. For example, is it tampering for a coaching staff to have someone back channel to a player to gauge interest on wanting to go to that school? IMO, it is. But is it tampering if a player himself reaches out to a school to see if they want him? IMO, no. And this was the latter, not the former.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Someone is a little too into jersey shore women....

Would

 

[WilliamWallace]

Should just redo the entire 2022 season starting in like March but we get Hartman this time around.

I’ve truly believed that we were one player away from a legitimate contender in 2022. I think we had just enough across the board that we could’ve played for the title this year if we had that difference maker at QB.

What if,

 

[IrishLax]

JMO, but I think MF had this worked out before they passed on Card. If not, then MF hasn't been learning his lessons given what's happened with the recruiting.

Oh he definitely did, they absolutely had some sort of commitment through back channels before they formally told Card "no thanks." But playing any sort of waiting game while you've got someone playing in a bowl and not officially in the portal carries risk.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Why he wears #10

Good stuff thanks for posting.

I was surprised and asking because I didn’t realize that was his number at Wake. I corrected it after looking it up.

 

[indianamouse]

Pretty much shows the recruiting mentality at least in how we recruit the QB position hasn't changed at all. All your chips in one basket and if it don't workout you're screwed. Maybe the portal will help at least help alleviate this when we miss in regular recruiting.

Moore was the only qb we went “all in” on, and there was heavy interest on both sides. Carr committed before the 24 recruiting cycle really took off.

 

[Domina Nostra]

So to paraphrase from a few sites, there was no upfront NIL involved. In fact, the several target QBs reached out to ND first about playing here to gauge NDs interest, and if it was mutual, jump in the portal. There were like 5 or 6 QBs that were interested, but ND told a lot of them they weren't interested (Kedon Slovis GTFO.) Hartman was interested and the staff determined he was the best fit. Hartman wants to improve his draft stock playing in a more pro style and saw a good fit with Rees and ND. NIL from being the starting QB at ND didn't hurt either from what I read.

- Huge arm: nope
- Gamebreaking speed: nope
- Black hair? Check
- 6'1" or smaller smaller? Check
- Good facial hair? Check
- Answers questions like he's been briefed by the communications team? Yep.
. . . He's perfect.

I kid, I kid!

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I will bookmark this thread and return to it when a game day thread goes off the rails because he didn’t see a LB sitting on a crossing route and throws a pick. I love this pickup, He elevates the entire team. And also having TB as a backup makes me feel better than the game of thrones midget we had this year.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

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I have no idea why my mind went there, but here we are...

 

[AlaskanIrish]

 

[domer13]

Lol, although I doubt that's true. Probably shartma#@nd.edu (the # being whatever number of S. Hartmans there have been.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Goodness that is so unfortunate haha

 

[Plankton]

Insert all of the sharted jokes here.....