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[M40]

Same, I’m taking it then transferring to ND after a year or 2

The large NILs are specifically set up to prevent that. Stretching over 3-4 yrs and escalating it each year to reach the total

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. I get it, it's not fun to read/think about what I said, but it is a reality. Am I being a bit facetious w/ the Ahole comment? Sure, but I figured most on here were smart enough to pick up what I was throwing down.

You’re just wrong. Hamilton was one of the highest paid college athletes during his NIL year. The only thing we don’t do is P4P (which is still illegal). If you’d tell a kid to forego ND’s superior education, development, exposure and legal NIL because a bagman is making ridiculous promises, then I’m glad you’re not part of the program. These guys aren’t getting their P4P in a suitcase as soon as they say yes.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Hey kid, come to my school, you might make some NIL money, but I can't promise you.

Hey kid, come to my school, here is 2 MILLION DOLLARS.

and I have the weird take?

And I'm the troll....

 

[zbikowski88]

The large NILs are specifically set up to prevent that. Stretching over 3-4 yrs and escalating it each year to reach the total

Not all schools are that smart, id even take less money if it came mostly up front.

 

[NDBoiler]

Hot take here but if MFMF conviced him to not take 2M dollars, then MFMF is the AHOLE....

If I was ND's HC, and Bowen came to me and said, OU just offered me 2M. I would say congrats, and if you don't take that money you are an idiot.

Pretty sure that is some BS Twitter account that has made fake unsubstantiated statements like that in the past. In remember seeing it before here on IE but I don’t remember the context. I do remember that it was a bunch of BS coming from it though.

 

[MacIrish75]

Hot take here but if MFMF conviced him to not take 2M dollars, then MFMF is the AHOLE....

If I was ND's HC, and Bowen came to me and said, OU just offered me 2M. I would say congrats, and if you don't take that money you are an idiot.

You are correct, that is a hot take, Skip.

 

[ACamp1900]

If this is going how we all figure then how has it not broken he is decomitted yet,… the lack of firm news has been the most odd thing here,…

 

[Irish#1]

Hey kid, come to my school, you might make some NIL money, but I can't promise you.

Hey kid, come to my school, here is 2 MILLION DOLLARS.

and I have the weird take?

Yeah it's a weird take because Freeman isn't there to advise him. He's there to sell him on ND.

 

[MacIrish75]

If he doesn’t choose us, okay…I’ve already preemptively done everything necessary to guard my fragile psyche.

But…if he doesn’t choose OU…please excuse my absence from the board bc I’ll be on every Boomer forum for 7-10 days just savoring their delectable tears.

 

[M40]

Not all schools are that smart, id even take less money if it came mostly up front.

None of the big NILs are all upfront. You really think those running the collectives with BMDs are idiots? They are using teams of lawyers and businessmen to set these up

 

[Free Manera]

If this is going how we all figure then how has it not broken he is decomitted yet,… the lack of firm news has been the most odd thing here,…

He is still negotiating with Oregon and OU.

 

[M40]

Yeah it's a weird take because Freeman isn't there to advise him. He's there to sell him on ND.

Agreed. Freeman is going to sell him on ND period. As he should.

 

[Free Manera]

None of the big NILs are all upfront. You really think those running the collectives with BMDs are idiots? They are using teams of lawyers and businessmen to set these up

Yeah the way I understand it, they get contractually guaranteed large sums of money to show up at appearances throughout the year. That way if they transfer out, they don't get the money. Or the collective buys their marketing rights, which is some up front money, but then gets them appearances throughout their time in school to get them paid more.

FUND does the appearance thing too. I just think they aren't making guarantees like other collectives are. And I think places like Oregon are spreading a million out over a year or two where ND is spreading out a hundred thousand over a year or two. Based on what I've read about FUND, it's more about getting every player something rather than getting certain players a fortune.

The exceptions at ND are guys like Kyle Hamilton that get an agent and really push for more marketing money.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

If he doesn’t choose us, okay…I’ve already preemptively done everything necessary to guard my fragile psyche.

But…if he doesn’t choose OU…please excuse my absence from the board bc I’ll be on every Boomer forum for 7-10 days just savoring their delectable tears.

If this happens, screenshots would be greatly appreciated lol

 

[rikkitikki08]

Hey kid, come to my school, you might make some NIL money, but I can't promise you.

Hey kid, come to my school, here is 2 MILLION DOLLARS.

and I have the weird take?

Yes your take is indeed weird simply because you’re saying as the head coach of ND he should be encouraging a kid not to come because of a dollar amount offered by another school. He’s the head coach it’s his job to recruit for the school he’s the head coach of

 

[ND03]

You’re just wrong. Hamilton was one of the highest paid college athletes during his NIL year. The only thing we don’t do is P4P (which is still illegal). If you’d tell a kid to forego ND’s superior education, development, exposure and legal NIL because a bagman is making ridiculous promises, then I’m glad you’re not part of the program. These guys aren’t getting their P4P in a suitcase as soon as they say yes.

I’m pretty sure the hypothetical was guaranteed $2m + a scholarship at a high end P5 school vs. scholarship at ND. I think it would be bad advice to tell someone not to take that money in that scenario.

I think ND is great too, but it’s a stretch to be confident that ND is clearly superior in development or even legal NIL.

Even education is debatable (but an easier debate)

 

[CanadalovesND]

Hey kid, come to my school, you might make some NIL money, but I can't promise you.

Hey kid, come to my school, here is 2 MILLION DOLLARS.

and I have the weird take?

Then he will lose every recruiting battle if it comes down to NIL and money to that extent - if what was reported is true.

If you can’t sell your program despite the challenges of money, then you have no place in this current NIL driven college football world.

He’s not an asshole because he wants a kid to not think of money as the driving force for his college future.

 

[ndfanatic78]

These aren't rants dude. They are proposed solutions.
Hers a plan for you. spare me your 4 for 40 bullshit.
Money, Money, Money

Then go root for another team dbag.

 

[benneboy]

The thing with NIL and this recruitment specifically is this should be on the easier side for ND to pitch. They can show Bowen Kyle Hamilton's NIL revenue while here. That's probably the floor if Bowen is as good as he's supposed to be given NIL was in its infancy at that point. That is also apparently more tangible than some of the made up stuff A&M was throwing out there according to all the pissed off kids in college station right now.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I’m pretty sure the hypothetical was guaranteed $2m + a scholarship at a high end P5 school vs. scholarship at ND. I think it would be bad advice to tell someone not to take that money in that scenario.

It's not really guaranteed. More and more of these programs are failing to live up to the lavish P4P promises they made in order to secure the commitment of various 5-star recruits. You only think it would be bad advice because you're taking our enemies at their word and underselling what ND offers.

I think ND is great too, but it’s a stretch to be confident that ND is clearly superior in development or even legal NIL.

As far as Safeties go, we are demonstrably superior to OU and Venables when it comes to development. And I haven't seen a reliable source reporting that we're lagging in legal NIL. It's only on the P4P front, which is illegal and apparently often fake to boot.

Even education is debatable (but an easier debate)

GTFO. If you honestly believe that kids are better off chasing a bag than coming to play for ND, then you think we're selling recruits a bill of goods and actively working against their best interests. You might as well go root for another team then.

Have some pride, FFS.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Idk the exact numbers being floated for Hamilton and Mayer's total NIL worth, but I know it was a lot. I do have a reliable source that Trayce Jackson Davis, at IU, is getting 7-figures this year alone. Bottom line, there are deals out there for enrolled studs to get paid. There's no reason the pitch to Bowen couldn't be to come be great at ND and get massive NIL deals like others before him. I know it's not pay for play, upfront money, but it's not like it would be an insignificant amount (plus a degree, plus the networking, plus the NFL).

 

[BleedBlueGold]

To piggyback on Whiskey's point of failing to live up to P4P promises...Wouldn't it be nice if a school offered you an insurance policy?

A&M offers a bag, but what if that bag never materializes...what's left? As a player you can only hope that the legal NIL is working out for you and that you can get to the NFL.

Why not choose ND, where the insurance policy is essentially the degree, because ND is offering routes to the NFL and massive legal NIL deals. It's not P4P, but the floor of ND's offer is way higher than any bagman's.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

To piggyback on Whiskey's point of failing to live up to P4P promises...Wouldn't it be nice if a school offered you an insurance policy?

A&M offers a bag, but that bag never materializes...what's left? As a player you can only hope that the legal NIL is working out for you and that you can get to the NFL.

Why not choose ND, where the insurance policy is essentially the degree, because ND is offering routes to the NFL and massive legal NIL deals. It's not P4P, but the floor of ND's offer is way higher than any bagman's.

I 1000% agree with this, problem is in reality, that bag man looks pretty good, and it would be very hard to turn down the $$$.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I 1000% agree with this, problem is in reality, that bag man looks pretty good, and it would be very hard to turn down the $$$.

Considering the massive amount of transfers and rumors surrounding said transfers that kids are pissed they didn't get what was promised, it sounds like very few of them are actually getting upfront money. I'd love a true investigation into some of these contracts and P4P cash payouts. I'm guessing they tell a family, "We'll pay you X dollars" and leave out the fine print that it's over time under certain conditions. People are enamored with the big number and overlook the details. Just a guess.

 

[M40]

@Whiskeyjack …do you really think that elite players put a heavy consideration on the education component?

 

[luckofirish8]

To piggyback on Whiskey's point of failing to live up to P4P promises...Wouldn't it be nice if a school offered you an insurance policy?

A&M offers a bag, but that bag never materializes...what's left? As a player you can only hope that the legal NIL is working out for you and that you can get to the NFL.

Why not choose ND, where the insurance policy is essentially the degree, because ND is offering routes to the NFL and massive legal NIL deals. It's not P4P, but the floor of ND's offer is way higher than any bagman's.

Gotta believe this is ND's pitch really, but right now it might not be working. Over time this may even out as more of bagman fail to deliver on those promises.

 

[fightingirish26]

As far as Safeties go, we are demonstrably superior to OU and Venables when it comes to development.

Who has OLeary developed? He was our safeties coach the last two years.

Hamilton was a physical freak who walked in and dominated from the first day of practice. He's a first rounder at any other P5.

Watts is the best example right now, but even at this point we're still not sure if he can truly hold his own as a full time starter.

Griffith/brown both below average.

Henderson seemed to make a number of mental errors this year.

And finally, in comes Brandon Joseph, who plans on being one and done at ND, and he was completely average. If you're Bowen you probably care more about a Brandon Joseph than a Kyle Hamilton.

Are we clearly superior to OU at safety just bc Harrison Smith, Kyle Hamilton, and alohi gilman? Three guys the current staff had either zero or marginal impacts on?

 

[ND03]

It's not really guaranteed. More and more of these programs are failing to live up to the lavish P4P promises they made in order to secure the commitment of various 5-star recruits. You only think it would be bad advice because you're taking our enemies at their word and underselling what ND offers.

As far as Safeties go, we are demonstrably superior to OU and Venables when it comes to development. And I haven't seen a reliable source reporting that we're lagging in legal NIL. It's only on the P4P front, which is illegal and apparently often fake to boot.

GTFO. If you honestly believe that kids are better off chasing a bag than coming to play for ND, then you think we're selling recruits a bill of goods and actively working against their best interests. You might as well go root for another team then.

Have some pride, FFS.

Hypothetical…. Most of this rant never actually takes on the hypothetical, tongue-in-cheek post which I still think is right.

Player development is so much on the player himself and junior coaches who inherently not likely to be at a school by a kids sophomore year.

I went to ND, but don’t have rose colored glasses about the marginal value of Notre Dame vs other major colleges. So much of life is about your own effort and luck. The math problems aren’t different in Eugene. The network is the best argument, but other networks are good too, just perhaps more regional.

And on average Football players aren’t typical students on Norman or in South Bend or wherever else.

Notre Dame makes compelling cases to recruits, but I just don’t think the differences between schools is that stark.

Would Steve Elmer (for e.g.) really not have gotten a decent job out of school if he’d gone to Iowa?

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Considering the massive amount of transfers and rumors surrounding said transfers that kids are pissed they didn't get what was promised, it sounds like very few of them are actually getting upfront money. I'd love a true investigation into some of these contracts and P4P cash payouts. I'm guessing they tell a family, "We'll pay you X dollars" and leave out the fine print that it's over time under certain conditions. People are enamored with the big number and overlook the details. Just a guess.

Oh FORSURE, but what is the recourse? Can't really sue for that, so what.. you transfer? It's such a mess, but I guess you get what you "pay" for.

 

[dublinirish]

committed recruits trying to recruit on twitter is always a sign of desperation IMO