'23 KS QB Avery Johnson (Kansas State Verbal)

[indianamouse]

Seems like they are looking at hillman as a qb per on3

 

[Free Manera]

There’s no one in the 2023 class that wants to come here that will start and once one grad transfer gets beaten out he isn’t sticking around

I meant the undergrad transfer. There will not be a true freshman QB for '23 that seems certain.

A grad transfer has to stick around it's his last year.

I'm saying ND needs an undergrad transfer (freshman or sophomore) with potential, and a graduate transfer like Coan that could definitely start next year if necessary.

 

[NDMatt91]

If they don't get a '23 QB they need to take two transfers. Ideally they would get an underclassmen (clutching pearls, "but what if he didn't take 9 years of Latin in high school!!!?") and a graduate.

Pyne can't be a starter, that's obvious. Buchner may be injury prone. Angeli is a total question mark. The QB room just needs some bodies (ideally tall ones).

Take the best grad transfer QB and then a grad transfer from an Ivy League to be a clipboard holder for 1 year. It'll be better than Tommy boy's hand-picked clipboard holder taking up a scholarship for 3-4 years.

 

[NDpendent]

They really need both a transfer QB and a kid in the 23 class. I know people here aren't thrilled with Jacobe Robinson and Aidan Chiles but I feel both would be an upgrade from our current QB situation

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

If they don't get a '23 QB they need to take two transfers.

And Tyler "Taysom Hill" Buchner will need to split his time with the running backs and receivers a little too.

No disrespect, but this is the most ridiculous take...this shit is getting out of hand.

We have three QBs with 3+ years of eligibility, but we need TWO transfers? With a 5* incoming in 2024?

We have an injury prone QB but let's move him to WR &/or RB?

Science.

 

[Armyirish47]

No disrespect, but this is the most ridiculous take...this shit is getting out of hand.

We have three QBs with 3+ years of eligibility, but we need TWO transfers? With a 5* incoming in 2024?

We have an injury prone QB but let's move him to WR &/or RB?

Science.

Looks like somebody hasn't played NCAA Football '14 in a while.....

 

[Free Manera]

No disrespect, but this is the most ridiculous take...this shit is getting out of hand.

We have three QBs with 3+ years of eligibility, but we need TWO transfers? With a 5* incoming in 2024?

We have an injury prone QB but let's move him to WR &/or RB?

Science.

3 QBs with like 7 career NCAA wins between them.

One gets hurt a lot and has played in like 3 games in 3 years.

One hits linemen in the head with passes because he's 5'10.

And one that is a total question mark.

But yeah let's go kill some birds I'm psyched.

 

[Luckylucci]

If I'm Freeman, I would most definitely consider taking 2 QB's between now and next season. Ideally it's a '23 signee and a transfer but if they aren't going to land a '23 guy they like then most definitely take 2 transfers. All in on fixing the QB position takes all in moves.

Now, we won't be keeping 6 QB's on scholarship into next season but if we can get 5-6 legitimate options at QB, to compete this Spring and Summer, then we should most definitely do it.

 

[Free Manera]

If I'm Freeman, I would most definitely consider taking 2 QB's between now and next season. Ideally it's a '23 signee and a transfer but if they aren't going to land a '23 guy they like then most definitely take 2 transfers. All in on fixing the QB position takes all in moves.

Now, we won't be keeping 6 QB's on scholarship into next season but if we can get 5-6 legitimate options at QB, to compete this Spring and Summer, then we should most definitely do it.

Right. Fill the stable. Let them battle in the spring and summer. The loser(s) of the battle will eventually transfer out, but that's big boy football (that's even little guy football these days).

 

[BeauBenken]

If I'm Freeman, I would most definitely consider taking 2 QB's between now and next season. Ideally it's a '23 signee and a transfer but if they aren't going to land a '23 guy they like then most definitely take 2 transfers. All in on fixing the QB position takes all in moves.

Now, we won't be keeping 6 QB's on scholarship into next season but if we can get 5-6 legitimate options at QB, to compete this Spring and Summer, then we should most definitely do it.

I know ISD pretty much said that the plan is to take a transfer and a '23 guy. I agree with the sentiment even if the answer ends up being someone on our roster. Let a hero emerge.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I know ISD pretty much said that the plan is to take a transfer and a '23 guy. I agree with the sentiment even if the answer ends up being someone on our roster. Let a hero emerge.

Irish Illustrated guys saying the same thing.

 

[Luckylucci]

In order for ND to actually win a NC. The QB position has to be one of the most competitive and desired positions in college football.

Food for thought. In 2021, Tenn signed a 4 star, top 150 QB, and brought in 2 transfers at the position. In 2022 they signed another 4 star, top 200 QB, and added another transfer. In 2023, they have added a 5 star, top 10 QB. So, over 3 years they'll have added 6 QB's.

 

[Dale]

In order for ND to actually win a NC. The QB position has to be one of the most competitive and desired positions in college football.

Food for thought. In 2021, Tenn signed a 4 star, top 150 QB, and brought in 2 transfers at the position. In 2022 they signed another 4 star, top 200 QB, and added another transfer. In 2023, they have added a 5 star, top 10 QB. So, over 3 years they'll have added 6 QB's.

6 have transferred out as well.

 

[indianamouse]

In order for ND to actually win a NC. The QB position has to be one of the most competitive and desired positions in college football.

Food for thought. In 2021, Tenn signed a 4 star, top 150 QB, and brought in 2 transfers at the position. In 2022 they signed another 4 star, top 200 QB, and added another transfer. In 2023, they have added a 5 star, top 10 QB. So, over 3 years they'll have added 6 QB's.

Do you think tenn will win the championship? I don’t

 

[Domina Nostra]

Last 3 national championships...

Stetson Bennett: walk-on
Mac Jones: 3-star (composite)
Joe Burrow: transfer

 

[Luckylucci]

6 have transferred out as well.

Yes, that would be part of the expected result. As it should.

 

[greyhammer90]

Do you think tenn will win the championship? I don’t

No, but it won't be their QB play that holds them back. It will be that they have to play Georgia and Bama every year in the regular season, then have to play Bama (or someone who beat Bama) again in the SEC championship game most years if they're going to make it, and then have to probably beat Georgia again in the playoffs lol.

 

[goldendomer89]

Do you think tenn will win the championship? I don’t

They're a hell of a lot closer to winning it than ND is right now and their QB is a major reason why.

 

[Luckylucci]

Do you think tenn will win the championship? I don’t

No, I don't but I think they were able to turn the program around in a flash, partly, because of the way they approached the QB position. Nobody knew that Hendon Hooker was the answer. And they didn't act like he was. They acted like they needed to add a bunch of guys to the mix and work it from there. Which worked out insanely well for them.

 

[Free Manera]

Last 3 national championships...

Stetson Bennett: walk-on
Mac Jones: 3-star (composite)
Joe Burrow: transfer

ND will never have rosters like these three teams had though. I know the '23 class is #3 now but the odds of it staying in the top 5 are probably pretty slim due to the expected NSD signings at OSU and LSU and possibly Texas, and the lack of any for ND (unless Keeley comes back).

ND needs to follow the Clemson model to win a championship which is top 7 classes with an absolute stud at quarterback every few years. That's the equalizer.

 

[Dale]

They're a hell of a lot closer to winning it than ND is right now and their QB is a major reason why.

We were in the CFP a few years ago. Tennessee is hoping they are this year. We lost at Georgia just a few years ago in a more competitive game.

 

[Dale]

Yes, that would be part of the expected result. As it should.

You think 6 in, 6 out in 2 years is not only a sustainable model, but a desired one? One we should, as well as Tennessee intentionally underwent? In 3 years I doubt they’ll be doing the same thing as routine

 

[Luckylucci]

You think 6 in, 6 out in 2 years is not only a sustainable model, but a desired one? One we should, as well as Tennessee intentionally underwent?

In the very short term, I think we should look to increase the competition in the QB room which in turn would create roster turnover. So, yes. Once that has been re-established, provided it works, then it starts to take care of itself. It's just like any position group on the roster. If you cannot attract elite talent you attract numbers until the desired results attract the talent.

 

[Irish#1]

So what's the chances with Avery?

 

[Free Manera]

So what's the chances with Avery?

It's over.

 

[Dale]

In the very short term, I think we should look to increase the competition in the QB room which in turn would create roster turnover. So, yes. Once that has been re-established, provided it works, then it starts to take care of itself. It's just like any position group on the roster. If you cannot attract elite talent you attract numbers until the desired results attract the talent.

Okay but that model includes losing good defenders like To’o To’o and adding ones that contribute to the awful defense like Brandon Turnage and Kamal Hadden. So they did that model at other positions and their defense stinks haha

They built things opposite ND and still lost to UGA by a ton and are at hopes of being the 4 in CFP….sounds familiar.

 

[Luckylucci]

Last 3 national championships...

Stetson Bennett: walk-on
Mac Jones: 3-star (composite)
Joe Burrow: transfer

See, I think this is all the more reason to do exactly this. I do not care if it's a 5 star QB that wins the battle. I care that a contested battle is won by someone. If through the competition, Steve Angeli is just better than everyone else, then great. That means good things for the team.

 

[goldendomer89]

We were in the CFP a few years ago. Tennessee is hoping they are this year. We lost at Georgia just a few years ago in a more competitive game.

A few years ago is a lifetime in college football. Tennessee also put 50+ on Bama and has a Heisman contender at QB. We'd be losing our minds if ND was doing what they've done offensively this year.

Bottom line whether it's through transfers or recruiting the QB room has to have a major upgrade in talent/depth after this season.

 

[Free Manera]

I don't think I understand the downside to taking 2 transfer QBs. We literally don't have a P5 starter available and frankly who knows if this current QB room can provide one for next year.

1 or 2 of the QB battle losers will transfer out, but so what? That's how it works.

 

[Luckylucci]

Okay but that model includes losing good defenders like To’o To’o and adding ones that contribute to the awful defense like Brandon Turnage and Kamal Hadden. So they did that model at other positions and their defense stinks haha

They built things opposite ND and still lost to UGA by a ton and are at hopes of being the 4 in CFP….sounds familiar.

I guess I didn't realize that it needed to be said that we're trusting the coaches to make the right decision. Felt that was assumed. Obviously, if they don't, we won't get the desired results but we likely wouldn't regardless of how they approached it.

In general, increasing competition should lead to better results. Hence, Freeman's "Challenge Everything" motto.