Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

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Why do people keep saying Stanford kept our run game in check? They didn't. We ran for 4.4ypc and yet Tommy decided not to lean on that.

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Diggs and estime averaged over 6 YPC! Tommy sucks!
 

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Is anybody else tired of seeing run of the mill teams like Arkansas dropping 50 points on teams like BYU while we struggle to shoe string a couple of first downs together against anybody?

Yes but there is a difference between ND and Arkansas. It starts at QB.

K. J. Jefferson. Drew Pyne is not K. J. Jefferson. Arkansas is 50th in PPG, but 10th in Total Yards. They’re not run of the mill.
 

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I'm a list maker. So here goes. This feels more productive and engaging than just wanting people fired in the caverns of my mind.

Kevin Johns Duke OC/QB
Warren Ruggiero Wake Forest OC/QB
Garrett Riley TCU OC/QB
Zach Kittley Texas Tech OC/QB
Barry Lunney Jr. Illinois OC/QB
Ryan Grubb Washington OC/QB
Willy Korn Coastal Carolina OC/QB
Tim Cramsey Memphis OC/QB
Matt Mattox UTSA OC/OL
Casey Woods SMU OC
Bryan Ellis Georgia Southern OC/QB
Mike Shanahan James Madison OC/WR
Chip Lindsey UCF OC/QB
Kasey Dunn Oklahoma State OC/WR
Brent Dearmon FAU OC/QB
Kevin Barbay Appalachian State OC/QB
Mike Bloesch North Texas OC/QB

Joe Brady, Buffalo Bills QB Coach
Rob Calabrese NY Jets QB Coach
Tee Martin Ravens WR Coach
Troy Walters Bengals WR Coach
Ben McDaniels Texans WR Coach
Jim Bob Cooter Jaguars Passing Game Coordinator
Tim Kelly Titans Passing Game Coordinator
Klint Kubiak Broncos QB Coach
Chris Beatty Chargers WR Coach
Shea Tierney NY Giants QB Coach
Ronald Curry Saints QB Coach
Zac Robinson Rams QB Coach

The top part of the list I have made some subtractions and additions to from earlier in this thread. The NFL guys remain the same. I know Joe Brady had Joe Burrow and loads of talent at LSU, but he's been in the room now with both Sean Payton and now Sean McDermott during his career. He was fired last year by Matt Rhule, who just got fired himself, so maybe that was a scapegoat firing by someone who knew his clock was ticking.

You can keep Tom Herman and Dan Mullen. I doubt they're viable options to begin with, but they're both working in TV studios and Tom Herman spent last year as an analyst for the Chicago Bears.
Phil Longo? Brian Hartline? Or is this a list of non mentioned?
 
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Most times when ND fans are calling for heads they either have no idea who they would fill the gaps with or they have unrealistic options like Urban Meyer, or whoever Alabama's OC is. This is a pretty damn good list of realistic candidates. For a lot of these guys it would be a step up from their current position, although some arguments could be made about some NFL guys depending on the program.
Agreed. If you have ambition to call plays and you're already in the League, you may want to try and stay to get an NFL OC job. For some of those guys listed, they've coached in college already and their play calling path may have to begin (or start again) back in college.

From my way outside perspective, those NFL guys would be worth a call at least, not knowing whatsoever what their ambitions might be. They may not want to be in college coaching ever.
 

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Coaching hires are often a trial in hiring the opposite of the last person. So we obviously want any new OC to excel at everything, but I would ask what you think Freeman possibly dislikes about Rees most and that would start my list:

- Is it lack of experience? > Vet OC
- Is it QB development? > Accomplished QB Coach
- Is it recruiting? > Recruiting ace
- Does he not trust him? > Familiar face
Maybe even a separate QB coach. They would have to play around with position coaches then, but they could do a situation where the OC is the TE coach with the TEs also working with the WR and OL. Maybe we could also do like we did with Laurinaitis and how OSU did with Hartline and find a long time pro willing to take a GA job to get into coaching. Maybe Fasano or Eifert, or Rudolph if he calls it quits.
 

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Maybe even a separate QB coach. They would have to play around with position coaches then, but they could do a situation where the OC is the TE coach with the TEs also working with the WR and OL. Maybe we could also do like we did with Laurinaitis and how OSU did with Hartline and find a long time pro willing to take a GA job to get into coaching. Maybe Fasano or Eifert, or Rudolph if he calls it quits.
Andrew Luck? Dude is getting his masters in education and was a pretty good QB.
 

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Great question. I have never understood with the O lineman we get, and the top notch TE’s why we continue to recruit and develop the QBs we have. Add the quality of wide receivers we recruit compared to other schools, and it blows me away what happens with QBs from development to recruiting evaluation. Why offer Buchner instead of McCarthy and several others in the 21 class. You could know nothings about QBs, and understand Tyler was very green in experience in high school with really only playing two years, and his accuracy was not good. Why offer Gavin Wimsatt, his accuracy was poor at best, instead of jumping on Brady Allen or Drew Allar earlier! Those were two top ten QBs! It just blows me away how poorly recruitment has been at this position. I don’t know who this falls on BK or TR.
I mean it was a problem when Tommy Rees was a starting qb at ND, so unless he was in charge of recruitment and development then I think the decades-long failure of ND to consistently produce great QBs falls largely on Kelly. I'd be happy to give Rees/Freeman 2-3 years to get their own guys into place.
 

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Maybe even a separate QB coach. They would have to play around with position coaches then, but they could do a situation where the OC is the TE coach with the TEs also working with the WR and OL. Maybe we could also do like we did with Laurinaitis and how OSU did with Hartline and find a long time pro willing to take a GA job to get into coaching. Maybe Fasano or Eifert, or Rudolph if he calls it quits.

Possible. Would have to think realistically Parker is you’re play caller then assuming one opening on the staff, one spot filled.

I’d assume the amount of QB coaches who are experienced that don’t call plays is low though.
 
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I mean it was a problem when Tommy Rees was a starting qb at ND, so unless he was in charge of recruitment and development then I think the decades-long failure of ND to consistently produce great QBs falls largely on Kelly. I'd be happy to give Rees/Freeman 2-3 years to get their own guys into place.

Part 1: This is true

Part 2: I think it has been worse under Rees

That and an offense that has averaged what 24pts a game? This offense, with these players and line. I am sorry, but you don't keep a salesman around because he smells nice.
 

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Possible. Would have to think realistically Parker is you’re play caller then assuming one opening on the staff, one spot filled.

I’d assume the amount of QB coaches who are experienced that don’t call plays is low though.
It wouldn't have to be an experienced QB coach. The idea would be basically to eliminate the TE coach as a position and have an OC and a QB coach, this way the QBs have two sets of eyes on them and two different people helping them out.

And I was thinking more along the lines of helping Parker get another OC job somewhere else.
 

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My wish list would be:
1. An experienced QB coach that has both recruited AND developed QBs in the past (do we even know what that looks like at ND anymore? It's been more than a decade.)

2. A college offensive coordinator that knows how to score points regardless of what his weapons are. I don't want a guy married to a scheme. I want a guy that looks at his weapons and his mismatches every week and scores points. There are 35 teams averaging 35+ points per game. Get one of those guys.
 

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The ironic thing about looking to Tennessee as a blueprint.

They hired Heupel because nobody they really wanted would take it.

They got Hooker as the second transfer behind the preferred option of Joe Milton.

We knew Tennessee would score points, but they couldn’t have imagined or intentionally masterminded this level of offense in their dreams.

I was wondering who is responsible for some of these guys that would have been recruited before Heupel, of course it was Tee Martin still has some recruiting fingerprints out there.
 
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All I know is, when watching Tenn vs Bama its like watching Top Gun Maverick.

When watching Notre Dame, it's like watching On Golden Pond.

We need a new offense.
It didn't help that those games were back to back. I literally switched channels to ND at the very end of the TN vs Bama game and they had the ball to start the game. I was like, oh my God, I am watching a different league of football. It was like an entirely different universe.
 

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The ironic thing about looking to Tennessee as a blueprint.

They hired Heupel because nobody they really wanted would take it.

They got Hooker as the second transfer behind the preferred option of Joe Milton.

We knew Tennessee would score points, but they couldn’t have imagined or intentionally masterminded this level of offense in their dreams.

I was wondering who is responsible for some of these guys that would have been recruited before Heupel, of course it was Tee Martin still has some recruiting fingerprints out there.
I still can't get over how crazy it was that UT looked at Joe Milton and Hendon Hooker and went with Milton. I know it's easy to look back, but Milton could barely throw a football at Michigan and Hooker was a good QB at Virginia Tech.
 

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The ironic thing about looking to Tennessee as a blueprint.

They hired Heupel because nobody they really wanted would take it.

They got Hooker as the second transfer behind the preferred option of Joe Milton.

We knew Tennessee would score points, but they couldn’t have imagined or intentionally masterminded this level of offense in their dreams.

I was wondering who is responsible for some of these guys that would have been recruited before Heupel, of course it was Tee Martin still has some recruiting fingerprints out there.

I think we should be giving Heupel some credit.

It's his offense. I watched it live last year and it's fun to watch.

And how smart was it to grab not one but two transfer quarterbacks in case one didnt work out?[/QUOTE]
 

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I think we should be giving Heupel some credit.

It's his offense. I watched it live last year and it's fun to watch.

And how smart was it to grab not one but two transfer quarterbacks in case one didnt work out?
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Alot of it is Baylor Art Briles concepts in there but yeah the stacks with the receivers going vertical is extremely explosive
 

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Tommy does not look well. I hope he finds success soon. As frustrating as it has been to watch this offense and as much as it isn’t working out with him at OC, I still don’t wish him ill. He’s made some glaring mistakes, but I appreciate him owning up to the failure... but now do something. It’s clear he has the year to coach here and it’s unlikely he will be fired during the season.
He just looks like someone who hasn't shaved or probably slept enough this week. That's fine. That's the job some weeks.
Like him or not he's a stand-up guy and always has been.
 

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I think we should be giving Heupel some credit.

It's his offense. I watched it live last year and it's fun to watch.

And how smart was it to grab not one but two transfer quarterbacks in case one didnt work out?

Just wondering out loud... who would be the offensive genius if ND had Hooker and UT had Pyne?
 
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