'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

[T-Boone]

are there question marks about his throwing action?

 

[Dale]

The thing that sucks is Rees will likely put us behind the 8-ball with 2024 QB's.

Yeah sucks when we land 5 star QBs.

 

[NDMatt91]

Yeah sucks when we land 5 star QBs.

The thing is we can't assume that any of them will be "the guy", regardless if they are 5*. The staff needs to do whatever they can to bring in the best possible QB every cycle. Otherwise, if Carr busts and the rest of the QB room is filled with clipboard holders (Clark, RP III) and "safe" game-manager types with limited upside then we could be in trouble, particularly against the top teams. Get a quality QB with upside each year and then let them battle it out.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

The thing is we can't assume that any of them will be "the guy", regardless if they are 5*. The staff needs to do whatever they can to bring in the best possible QB every cycle. Otherwise, if Carr busts and the rest of the QB room is filled with clipboard holders (Clark, RP III) and "safe" game-manager types with limited upside then we could be in trouble, particularly against the top teams. Get a quality QB with upside each year and then let them battle it out.

I’m sure Tommy and Marcus havent thought of this…

 

[NDMatt91]

I’m sure Tommy and Marcus havent thought of this…

My fear is I don't think the former is capable of executing such a plan.

 

[Dale]

The thing is we can't assume that any of them will be "the guy", regardless if they are 5*. The staff needs to do whatever they can to bring in the best possible QB every cycle. Otherwise, if Carr busts and the rest of the QB room is filled with clipboard holders (Clark, RP III) and "safe" game-manager types with limited upside then we could be in trouble, particularly against the top teams. Get a quality QB with upside each year and then let them battle it out.

My fear is I don't think the former is capable of executing such a plan.

CJ Carr is better than most 2023 QBs. So him reclassifying by that logic is what best fits your criteria. With that reclassification, ND will have signed, barring a collapse, its best offensive recruiting class in over a decade.

If Rees is as bad a recruiter as everyone says, I’m excited for the new OC to top that in 2024. Should be easy.

Main point, it’s quite funny to read how much something would suck when talking about landing a 5 star QB. But that’s been every step of landing CJ Carr, just a colossal mistake.

 

[T-Boone]

Look just get Pyne into the first round then worry about the rest later.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I agree on Tommy… it’s not like Lincoln Riley, Dabo Sweeney, and Nick Saban weren’t winning with average talent.

They were winning with obscure guys like DeShaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, and Tua. It was only after they proved that they could develop kids like that they started getting better QB recruits.

I’m obviously kidding. But it really is silly to conflate coaching and recruiting. You can absolutely say that a coach is failing at recruiting. That may be the case.

But the fact is that great coaches need great players to be great. No one is winning NCs without excellent talent, and there are lots of bad coaches who win despite themselves because they fall into great talent (see Jimbo, Ed O, Les Miles, etc).

 

[irishandy]

Not surprised by this, but good to see Tommy visiting. With CJ being close to ND that gives ND the opportunity to visit often (which I think they should).

Is Carr reclassifying still an option?

 

[GATTACA!]

are there question marks about his throwing action?

No. His motion is beautiful.

 

[Deirishpisser]

No. His motion is beautiful.

creepy

 

[Crazy Balki]

I agree on Tommy… it’s not like Lincoln Riley, Dabo Sweeney, and Nick Saban weren’t winning with average talent.

They were winning with obscure guys like DeShaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, and Tua. It was only after they proved that they could develop kids like that they started getting better QB recruits.

To be fair, Saban won 3 of his national titles with Greg McElroy, Jake Coker and Mac Jones, all of which were 3-star QB recruits.

But on the flip side, you can get away with playing with lesser high-end QB talent when you have immense talent around them.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Not surprised by this, but good to see Tommy visiting. With CJ being close to ND that gives ND the opportunity to visit often (which I think they should).

Is Carr reclassifying still an option?

Very much, and it's looking more and more like a probability with each passing day.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Reclassifying is dumb. Sorry to say but I would be mad if he did, your basically forcing him into this position because you can’t recruit a different option in 23. Hopefully this doesn’t happen and if it does we get someone in the portal. Playing a high school senior should never be an option. The truly annoying part about this is that if he does reclassify all the fans will call for him to play and make him and the team uncomfortable. I know I’m rambling but I’m getting major Jimmy Clauson freshman year vibes.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Reclassifying is dumb. Sorry to say but I would be mad if he did, your basically forcing him into this position because you can’t recruit a different option in 23. Hopefully this doesn’t happen and if it does we get someone in the portal. Playing a high school senior should never be an option. The truly annoying part about this is that if he does reclassify all the fans will call for him to play and make him and the team uncomfortable. I know I’m rambling but I’m getting major Jimmy Clauson freshman year vibes.

You realize body and age wise he should be a senior this year and took a year off when he was younger to go study abroad. That he initially brought the possibility of reclassifying up before ND even knew that they weren’t getting Dante.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Reclassifying is dumb. Sorry to say but I would be mad if he did, your basically forcing him into this position because you can’t recruit a different option in 23. Hopefully this doesn’t happen and if it does we get someone in the portal. Playing a high school senior should never be an option. The truly annoying part about this is that if he does reclassify all the fans will call for him to play and make him and the team uncomfortable. I know I’m rambling but I’m getting major Jimmy Clauson freshman year vibes.

This post is dumb. He's the best QB we can get in '23. He's got the grades and coursework to enroll early. Getting him on campus ASAP is what's best for both him and NDFB. Doing so will allow the staff to focus further QB recruiting efforts on '24 rather than scrambling for scraps in '23.

Our QB room in 2007 was Evan Sharpley, Demetrius Jones, Zach Frazer and Jimmy Clausen. For as frustrating as our QB situation is right now (at least compared to the rest of the team,) it's still much better than it was 15 years ago.

 

[jprue24]

Reclassifying is dumb. Sorry to say but I would be mad if he did, your basically forcing him into this position because you can’t recruit a different option in 23. Hopefully this doesn’t happen and if it does we get someone in the portal. Playing a high school senior should never be an option. The truly annoying part about this is that if he does reclassify all the fans will call for him to play and make him and the team uncomfortable. I know I’m rambling but I’m getting major Jimmy Clauson freshman year vibes.

You know he is the same age as Dante Moore right? He was held back in school.

 

[GATTACA!]

Reclassifying is dumb. Sorry to say but I would be mad if he did, your basically forcing him into this position because you can’t recruit a different option in 23. Hopefully this doesn’t happen and if it does we get someone in the portal. Playing a high school senior should never be an option. The truly annoying part about this is that if he does reclassify all the fans will call for him to play and make him and the team uncomfortable. I know I’m rambling but I’m getting major Jimmy Clauson freshman year vibes.

He’s like three days younger than Dante. No one would care about Dante EEing and pushing for playing time next year.

 

[Dale]

Reclassifying is dumb. Sorry to say but I would be mad if he did, your basically forcing him into this position because you can’t recruit a different option in 23. Hopefully this doesn’t happen and if it does we get someone in the portal. Playing a high school senior should never be an option. The truly annoying part about this is that if he does reclassify all the fans will call for him to play and make him and the team uncomfortable. I know I’m rambling but I’m getting major Jimmy Clauson freshman year vibes.

So don’t reclassifying and come in as a 2024 where he could still be called on by fans to start? Won’t that still give “Jimmy Clausen vibes”? Not sure how reclassifying changes anything there. 5 star QBs fans want to start.

Also nobody is forcing anybody to do something.

 

[pumpdog20]

This post is dumb. He's the best QB we can get in '23. He's got the grades and coursework to enroll early. Getting him on campus ASAP is what's best for both him and NDFB. Doing so will allow the staff to focus further QB recruiting efforts on '24 rather than scrambling for scraps in '23.

Our QB room in 2007 was Evan Sharpley, Demetrius Jones, Zach Frazer and Jimmy Clausen. For as frustrating as our QB situation is right now (at least compared to the rest of the team,) it's still much better than it was 15 years ago.

Not sure our current QB room is all that much better then 2007.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

This post is dumb. He's the best QB we can get in '23. He's got the grades and coursework to enroll early. Getting him on campus ASAP is what's best for both him and NDFB. Doing so will allow the staff to focus further QB recruiting efforts on '24 rather than scrambling for scraps in '23.

Our QB room in 2007 was Evan Sharpley, Demetrius Jones, Zach Frazer and Jimmy Clausen. For as frustrating as our QB situation is right now (at least compared to the rest of the team,) it's still much better than it was 15 years ago.

 

[notredomer23]

Him beating teams 56-0 and not playing second halves every week is much better for his development than playing against actual D1 athletes in practice every week.

 

[dankgesang]

Agree that another year at Saline probably isn't worth it, but I think the ideal situation developmentally would be a senior year of high level HS reps. The baseball analogy would be that there's a reason you don't drop your 1st round mlb draft picks into AAA. He's certainly older than most juniors, and so I can hear the argument to the contrary, but I don't think it's dumb either way.

 

[NDMD]

Agree that another year at Saline probably isn't worth it, but I think the ideal situation developmentally would be a senior year of high level HS reps. The baseball analogy would be that there's a reason you don't drop your 1st round mlb draft picks into AAA. He's certainly older than most juniors, and so I can hear the argument to the contrary, but I don't think it's dumb either way.

You're discounting enrolling and getting college level training / coaching without the expectation of starting next year, so he gets at least a season of college life under his belt before he's expected to start.

And everyone is missing the biggest individual benefit - there is NO guarantee the NIL rules are going to stay as is for another 2 years. Reclassifying gives him the opportunity to get NIL money a year sooner. Who knows what happens with regulation in the next 2 years.

 

[dankgesang]

You're discounting enrolling and getting college level training / coaching without the expectation of starting next year, so he gets at least a season of college life under his belt before he's expected to start.

And everyone is missing the biggest individual benefit - there is NO guarantee the NIL rules are going to stay as is for another 2 years. Reclassifying gives him the opportunity to get NIL money a year sooner. Who knows what happens with regulation in the next 2 years.

Like I said, I can see it both ways. Is there a slam dunk example of a QB that reclassified to skip their SR year and killed it in college? I'm sure there's a few I just can't think of any.

 

[stlnd01]

Like I said, I can see it both ways. Is there a slam dunk example of a QB that reclassified to skip their SR year and killed it in college? I'm sure there's a few I just can't think of any.

TBH there are very few examples of QBs who walked in as true freshmen and killed it. Even fewer - if any - who reclassified.
The argument for is that he'll develop more taking a redshirt year, acclimating to college life and getting elite coaching/S&C at Notre Dame vs. playing another year at Saline. The argument against is that maybe the kid wants to be a senior in high school, and big-time football will still be there next year. I can see either way, but I do think making/declaring a decision would be good for all involved here.

 

[NDMD]

I get the impression he intends to reclassify. If he didn't, it would be easy to put all speculation to bed. They're probably waiting for his summer/fall transcripts to clear and get the official admissions OK, as opposed to announcing it then the embarrassment of reversing if Admissions says no.

If you look at the (lack of) '23 QB recruiting effort & read between the lines with Avery Johnson's recruitment, it seems to me the plan is for CJ to reclassify.

 

[NDMatt91]

I get the impression he intends to reclassify. If he didn't, it would be easy to put all speculation to bed. They're probably waiting for his summer/fall transcripts to clear and get the official admissions OK, as opposed to announcing it then the embarrassment of reversing if Admissions says no.

If you look at the (lack of) '23 QB recruiting effort & read between the lines with Avery Johnson's recruitment, it seems to me the plan is for CJ to reclassify.

The frustrating thing is why aren’t they pushing hard and working to set up visits for other solid 2024 QB’s since it’s obvious that their eggs are in the Carr reclassification basket.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

The frustrating thing is why aren’t they pushing hard and working to set up visits for other solid 2024 QB’s since it’s obvious that their eggs are in the Carr reclassification basket.

How do you know they're not? They do not answer to us.

 

[NDRock]

This post is dumb. He's the best QB we can get in '23. He's got the grades and coursework to enroll early. Getting him on campus ASAP is what's best for both him and NDFB. Doing so will allow the staff to focus further QB recruiting efforts on '24 rather than scrambling for scraps in '23.

Our QB room in 2007 was Evan Sharpley, Demetrius Jones, Zach Frazer and Jimmy Clausen. For as frustrating as our QB situation is right now (at least compared to the rest of the team,) it's still much better than it was 15 years ago.

What does 2007 have to do with this year? Is this just a “it could always be worse” type post? Not understanding the correlation.

Personally, I’d probably take the ‘07 QB group over this year’s as long as the rest of the team is this year’s as well.