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drayer54

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Orban is cool. MAGA isn’t divisive and anti American at all. Libtards are dumb.
People concerned about open borders, surging crime, terrible energy policy, inflation out of control, unchecked spending, elevated rhetoric, and constant lies from the White House are dumbass MAGA folks who just can't see how great things are. Silly me for being stupid.

It's just that I'm upset that I didn't get an invite to the Inflation Reducation Act champagne party earlier this week.
 

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People concerned about open borders, surging crime, terrible energy policy, inflation out of control, unchecked spending, elevated rhetoric, and constant lies from the White House are dumbass MAGA folks who just can't see how great things are. Silly me for being stupid.

It's just that I'm upset that I didn't get an invite to the Inflation Reducation Act champagne party earlier this week.
You purposeful omission of all the antidemocratic things MAGA and Trump has done over the last 6 years is why no one is taking your facebook style grievance posts seriously.

Anyone who cares about the survival of democacy understands what they have done is egregious and dangerous and needs to be villified and fought at every turn with all available legal means and methods. Im 100% in agreement with him calling out the POS MAGAats. If you (general you) diasgree with this you are part of that problem and can fuck off. The fact that people are upset about being called out simply means you agree with the antidemocratic things they have been doing
 

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All I heard was "yes."
 

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You purposeful omission of all the antidemocratic things MAGA and Trump has done over the last 6 years is why no one is taking your facebook style grievance posts seriously.

Anyone who cares about the survival of democacy understands what they have done is egregious and dangerous and needs to be villified and fought at every turn with all available legal means and methods. Im 100% in agreement with him calling out the POS MAGAats. If you (general you) diasgree with this you are part of that problem and can fuck off. The fact that people are upset about being called out simply means you agree with the antidemocratic things they have been doing
I do care about the survival of Democracy, which is why those who want to pack the courts are a threat to democracy. Those who won't answer where they stand or are journalists and won't ask about this are no better.

Those dems who wanted to outright steal Iowa's second congressional district threaten democracy. Marc Elias and co are still present, btw.

Those who denied the 2016 election turned around and threw shade at 2020 deniers don't care about democracy.

Those who caused cities to be boarded up for the 2020 election in case the other guy won are not anti-fascist.

Those who tried to federally rig elections with HR1 and break the filibuster to do it don't give a shit about democracy, only power.

Those who use the government's power and office to suppress Americans' voices on social media or other big tech platforms threaten democracy.

Our DOJ that sues Florida for gerrymandering but not Illinois, New York or Maryland is a threat to democracy.

Biden has been a disaster, and apparently, it's ok because we had Trump. Biden's speech was like that of a dictator and why he should never be negotiated with or respected as a President.

When liberals preach on democracy, it's a joke to me. When Biden casts his political opponents as fascists, it's downright disgusting to me.

I just want to be left the hell alone to not pay for others' debt, not live in a cesspool of crime, not pay 14% more this month for groceries, not have fentanyl flooding my community, and for my kids to get an education not defined by the liberal fad of the day.
 

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I'd love to get rid of all gerrymandering at the Fed and State levels. That would be interesting.

Sign me up for getting rid of lifetime appointments for Federal Judges, too.

Oh, and foreign dictators speaking at political conferences.
 

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I do care about the survival of Democracy, which is why those who want to pack the courts are a threat to democracy. Those who won't answer where they stand or are journalists and won't ask about this are no better.

Those dems who wanted to outright steal Iowa's second congressional district threaten democracy. Marc Elias and co are still present, btw.

Those who denied the 2016 election turned around and threw shade at 2020 deniers don't care about democracy.

Those who caused cities to be boarded up for the 2020 election in case the other guy won are not anti-fascist.

Those who tried to federally rig elections with HR1 and break the filibuster to do it don't give a shit about democracy, only power.

Those who use the government's power and office to suppress Americans' voices on social media or other big tech platforms threaten democracy.

Our DOJ that sues Florida for gerrymandering but not Illinois, New York or Maryland is a threat to democracy.

Biden has been a disaster, and apparently, it's ok because we had Trump. Biden's speech was like that of a dictator and why he should never be negotiated with or respected as a President.

When liberals preach on democracy, it's a joke to me. When Biden casts his political opponents as fascists, it's downright disgusting to me.

I just want to be left the hell alone to not pay for others' debt, not live in a cesspool of crime, not pay 14% more this month for groceries, not have fentanyl flooding my community, and for my kids to get an education not defined by the liberal fad of the day.
Everything you listed has been done by both parties. No one is debating that. Its all politics for literally all of that. The fact you refuse to accept what MAGA has doen FAAAAAAAARRRRRR outweights any GOP/Dem dirty tricks. Not even close. What MAGA is and what they are doing is a direct threat to our democracy. Its not a joke. They are fascists. If you look at their behavior, iconography, America first policy, all of their trolling behavior, embracing of white supremacists, standing ovation of Orban at their GOP SANCTIONED CPAC grievance party.........down to the guy wearing a Camp Auschwitz hoodie over a Nazi SS t shirt while invading the Capital building.... it is fascist. 100% Fascist. It deserves to be called out and fought tooth and nail. Biden called it out so people could draw a line in the sand and say no more. This is as far as yo go. Bravo!
 

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The real scene and real photos are indefensible and pathetic. Possibly the worst speech ever delivered by a President.
Are you a fascist? Serious question. Do you want an authoritarian government modeled after Hungary? Because that’s exactly what we’ll get with Republicans in charge.
 

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Could have just given these people $12000 and said let’s go! But no they had to pay. One of their cronies $650k to kidnap and lie to them. Shitpieces.

Imagine the atrocities DeSantis would be capable of while president.
 

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I get the feeling drayer is a ok with DeSantis spending $650k or taxpayer dollars to pay one his cronies for a dehumanizing political stunt.
 

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From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette; "After COVID, Doug Mastriano's supporters don't trust anyone. Except him."

When conservative radio host Wendy Bell introduced state Sen. Doug Mastriano at his rally in Somerset County on Friday, Sept. 9, she opened with two simple questions. “How many of you know who I am?” Universal recognition. Raucous cheers. “How many of you believe what I say?” Another wave of applause and whoops of affirmation.

That second question gets to the heart of America’s political divide, and sheds light on a subculture that’s hiding in plain sight — and that propelled Mr. Mastriano to the Republican nomination for governor. The typical media frame of truth vs. lies and facts vs. misinformation isn’t the best way to understand polarization. It’s first and foremost a question of trust.

A few weeks ago, my rather right-wing barber told me, as if it were as obvious as the weather, that the Biden administration and oil companies are in cahoots to lower gas prices for the midterm elections. I hadn’t heard this one, but as my brain flipped through possible rebuttals, I realized there were no arguments or authorities I could cite that he would accept as legitimate.

If Joe Biden and the CEO of ExxonMobil had denied the collusion, he would of course assume they were lying. If a fact-check agency reported no evidence for such a conspiracy, he would say, “Yeah, that’s the whole point of a conspiracy.” If a mainstream media outlet did a thorough report claiming to fully disprove the collusion, he would assume the journalists were in on the job.

As far as my barber is concerned, every traditional American institution has proven itself untrustworthy. And he’s far from alone. As I’ve pointed out previously, Gallup’s annual survey of institutional confidence is at an all-time low, with public trust in media, political and corporate institutions all below 30%.

But trust is essential, because it’s impossible to independently investigate everything we rely on or believe to be true. We have to trust institutional leaders and intermediaries — that is, “the media” — to relay the truth to us. Because we rarely have the first-hand access to judge for ourselves, the question people face isn’t so much, “Which set of facts is true?” It’s, “Whom do I trust to tell me the truth?”

The answer can’t be “no one,” or else we’ll be completely adrift. So when people scrap all the usual authorities, they have to look elsewhere. And they’ll find an anchor in alternative authorities who seem to hold the traditional authorities in as much contempt as they do.

Enter Donald Trump. And Tucker Carlson. And Doug Mastriano. And Wendy Bell.

After attending a day of Mr. Mastriano’s events in Cambria and Somerset counties and speaking to some of his supporters, it’s clear that 2020 was an inflection point for many voters’ relationships not just with the media, but with every traditional node of influence and authority in America. And it mostly didn’t have to do with the election: It was COVID.

In 2016, Mr. Trump intuited and captured a growing sense of cultural, political and economic dislocation, especially in what writer Chris Arnade has called “back row America.” These are the people who have felt left behind not just by rapid cultural change but by economic “progress” that hollowed out their towns and neighborhoods. This was no longer the Reagan-era sense that government caused more problems than it solved: It had become an omnibus suspicion of an apparent government-corporate-cultural-academic monolith that cared nothing for the lifestyles and livelihoods of back-row Americans.

COVID seemed to bring this monolith crashing into their living rooms. Mask mandates for kindergarteners. Vaccine mandates for jobs. Neighborhood small businesses shuttered while “essential” big box stores remained open. Layoffs in already job-poor regions. Arbitrary rules, like having to wear a mask while walking to the bathroom at Eat-n-Park, but not while sitting in the booth.

Public health permission slips for George Floyd protests and shrill reprimands for other outdoor events, or for going to church. The insistence that Big Pharma corporations like Pfizer were to be considered pure symbols of Science itself when the respectable view had been, until the day before yesterday, that they were untrustworthy and cynical profit-seekers.

It was during the spring and summer of 2020 that Mr. Mastriano made a name for himself with his Facebook Live “fireside chats,” channeling the COVID frustrations of the people who have become his most faithful followers. And COVID still dominates his stump speeches, because COVID ties it all together.

They all failed you. They all betrayed you. They all lied to you. They all can’t be trusted.

But he can.

At least that’s the pitch. For his supporters any inconsistencies between his claims and those of, for instance, the legacy media will be resolved in his favor. Breathless pleas like “fake news!” and “misinformation!” and certainly “threat to democracy!” painlessly wash over them like morning fog in the Conemaugh Valley. Because they can’t be trusted and, by definition, he can.

There’s more than a whiff of demagoguery in this approach — especially in Ms. Bell’s explicit appeal to her own trustworthiness — but in a political culture so devoid of trust, it’s almost unavoidable. Certainly it was inevitable that this kind of populism would emerge. It’s what people want. More than that, it’s what people need.

Some have seen in the rise of men like Mr. Trump and Mr. Mastriano a kind of political nihilism, a breathtakingly cynical disregard for truth. But for those who feel that all the conventional authorities had already abandoned the truth, alternative politicians and alternative media — alternative truth-tellers — are their attempts to grasp for something to hold onto. The tent-revival atmosphere of a Mastriano rally is, among many other things, a desperate attempt to fulfill the need for trust and truth, and to avoid the nihilism of trusting no one and believing nothing.

The risk is ending up trusting anyone, and believing anything.
 

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lol all it took was 50 brown migrants showing up inn MV to show the hypocrisy of northeastern Lilly white elites and the media. They are going absolutely bonkers over this.

I'll bet if these were ukrainian war refugees, they would have opened up all those empty vacation homes instead of having the military forcibly remove them in less than 30 hours.

What racist, hypocrites.
 

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Everything you listed has been done by both parties. No one is debating that. Its all politics for literally all of that. The fact you refuse to accept what MAGA has doen FAAAAAAAARRRRRR outweights any GOP/Dem dirty tricks. Not even close. What MAGA is and what they are doing is a direct threat to our democracy. Its not a joke. They are fascists. If you look at their behavior, iconography, America first policy, all of their trolling behavior, embracing of white supremacists, standing ovation of Orban at their GOP SANCTIONED CPAC grievance party.........down to the guy wearing a Camp Auschwitz hoodie over a Nazi SS t shirt while invading the Capital building.... it is fascist. 100% Fascist. It deserves to be called out and fought tooth and nail. Biden called it out so people could draw a line in the sand and say no more. This is as far as yo go. Bravo!

So both parties have been doing this stuff but only one can be labeled as fascists by you? Dems have been proven to collude with big tech for censorship purposes, created a "Ministry of Truth", and tried mandating an experimental therapeutic on the entire country but was deemed unconstitutional, and somehow all of that has either eluded your reality or you don't care. Either way it's really hard to take you seriously.
 

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So both parties have been doing this stuff but only one can be labeled as fascists by you? Dems have been proven to collude with big tech for censorship purposes, created a "Ministry of Truth", and tried mandating an experimental therapeutic on the entire country but was deemed unconstitutional, and somehow all of that has either eluded your reality or you don't care. Either way it's really hard to take you seriously.
This is horseht post because I go on to say that what MaGa is doing is way worse than what either political tricks both parties do to each and yes it it’s anti democratic and fascist.
 

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This is horseht post because I go on to say that what MaGa is doing is way worse than what either political tricks both parties do to each and yes it it’s anti democratic and fascist.
You live in a child's imaginary world. This is one of your most ridiculous, self-deceiving, nonsense posts ever... and that's saying a lot.
 

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So both parties have been doing this stuff but only one can be labeled as fascists by you? Dems have been proven to collude with big tech for censorship purposes, created a "Ministry of Truth", and tried mandating an experimental therapeutic on the entire country but was deemed unconstitutional, and somehow all of that has either eluded your reality or you don't care. Either way it's really hard to take you seriously.
Pssst, if a right wing nut wears a nazi shirt at the Capitol, it's horrible and must be confronte. If a bunch of left wing nuts wear soviet union flag shirts while smashing buildings, it's not a big deal.

Do you want to be the one to tell him that communism killed over 100,000,000 people last century or should I?
 

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You live in a child's imaginary world. This is one of your most ridiculous, self-deceiving, nonsense posts ever... and that's saying a lot.
Don’t even know what you’re quoting but, this describes 90 percent of their post since 2016,… I mean I’ve never been comfortable in the Republican Party but every time I see the hypocritical, over the top hate from the other side I remember why I left to begin with
 

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This is horseht post because I go on to say that what MaGa is doing is way worse than what either political tricks both parties do to each and yes it it’s anti democratic and fascist.
If it's a horse shit post it should be easy for you or anyone else to dispute the facts I put down. But you can't. The only horse shit here is that you're only outraged when someone with an R behind their name does or says something you don't like.
 

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If it's a horse shit post it should be easy for you or anyone else to dispute the facts I put down. But you can't. The only horse shit here is that you're only outraged when someone with an R behind their name does or says something you don't like.
It's amazing how blind some of them are to their own party's and politicians' sins, but scream bloody murder about made up or exaggerated stuff from the other side. It's like listening to a crackhead rant about somebody who is drinking a beer.

They cheer for Antifa, but call the other side Nazis. They LOVED Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton, but claim the other side doesn't respect women. They support the party of slavery, segregation, the Klan, and who fought the Civil Rights Act of the '60s, but call the other side racists. They support unfettered abortion and the killing of the unborn, but call the other side immoral. They scream about how evil it is to want to secure the border, and then have a fit when the illegals get shipped to their neighborhoods, but claim the other side is the party of hatred. What a piece of work they are.
 

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It's amazing how blind some of them are to their own party's and politicians' sins, but scream bloody murder about made up or exaggerated stuff from the other side. It's like listening to a crackhead rant about somebody who is drinking a beer.

They cheer for Antifa, but call the other side Nazis. They LOVED Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton, but claim the other side doesn't respect women. They support the party of slavery, segregation, the Klan, and who fought the Civil Rights Act of the '60s, but call the other side racists. They support unfettered abortion and the killing of the unborn, but call the other side immoral. They scream about how evil it is to want to secure the border, and then have a fit when the illegals get shipped to their neighborhoods, but claim the other side is the party of hatred. What a piece of work they are.
Literally no one here has made any of the claims you are accusing others of. There's no need to have this much hate for the other side.

I'll wait for the specific examples of people here who did any of your claims.

Tossing these grandiose claims without any specific examples is beneath you. Imagine if any one here want on these loose tangents about how all Republicans embody the soul of the worst of the worst? This is something I would expect to see on a far gone 70 year olds Facebook profile.
 

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My assertions were about the Left in general, not necessarily specific posters in here, though the racist and Nazi labels have absolutely most definitely been hurled by some in here.
 

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So progressives should bear the history of the KKK? That's what you're getting at? The same people who were supportive of the Civil Rights movement are also KKK sympathizers....ok.

Getting called a Nazi would be something memorable. I'm sure you could remember who exactly did that.
 

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I get the feeling drayer is a ok with DeSantis spending $650k or taxpayer dollars to pay one his cronies for a dehumanizing political stunt.
Well, I agree with his actions, but think the dehumanizing stunt is being done by Biden who opened our borders, refuses to take meaningful action, and then denies we have a problem.

A stunt would be investigating DHS agents with horses and using leather to steer their horse.
 

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$400 for a lawyer to shred his credibility and post a propaganda piece. This Good Information Foundation is quite the sham.



From the foundation's home page:

The Good Information Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization founded in 2021 to tackle the growing information crisis in America that is undermining social trust, harming public health, and damaging our democracy.

The mission of the Good Information Foundation is to increase the flow of good, factual information online to counter and rebut the spread of misinformation and disinformation. We do this by creating, incubating, funding and lifting up fact-based solutions, voices, programs and initiatives that can be quickly developed, tested and deployed at scale. We are on offense against disinformation.
 

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Well, I agree with his actions, but think the dehumanizing stunt is being done by Biden who opened our borders, refuses to take meaningful action, and then denies we have a problem.

A stunt would be investigating DHS agents with horses and using leather to steer their horse.
This is so stupid. This stunt is just another Republican created crisis. Its the same thing every time. Every time Republicans need to drown out some bad news they go on every channel and airwave saying how the border is open and Biden is letting everyone in. Then a bunch of migrants here that the border is open and they are letting people in, so they decide to go. The creativity comes in the next part where they have to figure out what will draw the most disproportionate number of cameras. Is it a caravan of a few hundred that news stations will cover their every step? A river crossing or an encampment under a bridge? Soldiers or vigilante groups?

The really messed up thing is that they don't actually want to solve anything. There have been no real proposals because they don't want a solution. Its basically the perfect political stunt that they can repeat multiple times per election cycle. It fits right in perfectly with their platform of fear and scare tactics. And no matter how dehumanizing it is, they won't lose voters because the target group don't vote (though they will tell you they do to add more fear) and they don't look like their voters so their voters will use all sorts of cognitive dissonance to say why its actually perfectly fine or actually someone else's fault.
 
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