'20 CT QB Drew Pyne (ND->ASU->MO->BGSU Transfer)

[Domina Nostra]

I wasnt even that impressed with the Wiscy game. If you go watch those passes individually its all floaters and stare downs. Wiscy was playing way too conservative.

It wasn't all floaters, but there were some.

The hope is that the Marshall game was him pushing since we needed two scores immediately.

 

[Dale]

I wasnt even that impressed with the Wiscy game. If you go watch those passes individually its all floaters and stare downs. Wiscy was playing way too conservative.

Agreed it was kinda open ended on how much a compliment that really was.

I’ve seen some toss out basically why can’t Pyne be Stetson Bennett and the real reason Bennett looks good is the OL. He just stands back there and can survey everything 9/10 times. Pyne won’t have that.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Drew Pyne has some good QB qualities. Throwing him in there suddenly had to be a shock --- maybe to the game plan as much as Drew. I don't blame him too much for that. Pyne will do much better mentally after a week of game-planning FOR HIM. Will he be Great? Of course not. But if Tommy's plan allows him to move around a bit, he could be serviceable and not the reason we lose. The reason we lose then will be the same reason that we will lose all season: our WRs present no threat.

 

[jprue24]

If the line can't give him time, it won't matter what is potential ceiling or floor is. He and the offense as a whole will be garbage.

I wouldn't even bother sending Angeli out their much if the line can't block. Just a taste of how bad it could be would be enough. No reason to let him take unnecessary physical and mental hits

 

[Irish4life]

If Pyne is on because he’s a “gamer” his ceiling is the Wisconsin game. If he’s off his floor is Angeli will be the starter very soon. It’s sounded like for years now he consistently throws INTs in practice, which is what we saw Saturday.

There's a reason he didn't get the job lol.....

 

[Irish4life]

And even with saying that, if Drew Pyne is just a solid, average QB, ND will be overall fine. Probably looking at an 8-4 season, and you add in the portal this offseason, and open the competition again and see who wins the job between: Pyne, Buchner, Angeli, and *insert grad transfer QB*

 

[NDMatt91]

And even with saying that, if Drew Pyne is just a solid, average QB, ND will be overall fine. Probably looking at an 8-4 season, and you add in the portal this offseason, and open the competition again and see who wins the job between: Pyne, Buchner, Angeli, and *insert grad transfer QB*

I'd be shocked if both Pyne and Buchner are here next season. I could see both transferring.

 

[stlnd01]

I'd be shocked if both Pyne and Buchner are here next season. I could see both transferring.

They wouldn’t transfer before spring. Either could win the job, and good odds we’ll have a new OC. A lot is up in the air.
I suppose if Carr reclassifies and a grad transfer beats them both out in spring ball they could both leave at that point. But also both are pretty close to having their degrees. There’s no need to race for the exits.

 

[Irish4life]

I'd be shocked if both Pyne and Buchner are here next season. I could see both transferring.

No chance both transfer out before the spring. None. At least 1 will stick around to compete for the job in an open competition.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

There's a reason he didn't get the job lol.....

The reports from the II guys I’ve heard is that he wasn’t even close to Buchner in camp as he threw tons of picks.

 

[Irish4life]

The reports from the II guys I’ve heard is that he wasn’t even close to Buchner in camp as he threw tons of picks.

Makes sense. But you really don't have to make him do a whole lot. Just give him some easy reads and completions. Stetson Bennett is putting up elite numbers right now with an ADOT of like 5.5 lol.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

And even with saying that, if Drew Pyne is just a solid, average QB, ND will be overall fine. Probably looking at an 8-4 season, and you add in the portal this offseason, and open the competition again and see who wins the job between: Pyne, Buchner, Angeli, and *insert grad transfer QB*

I’d take 8-4 all day long. If Saturday is any indication, I see six more possible losses on this schedule: UNC, Clemson, SC, Syracuse, BYU, Stanford.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Makes sense. But you really don't have to make him do a whole lot. Just give him some easy reads and completions. Stetson Bennett is putting up elite numbers right now with an ADOT of like 5.5 lol.

I agree. I suspect he’d be better running a traditional spread so he can see the field. No way that OL keeps the DL out of his face. That’s where his Achilles Heel is as he tries to throw over the lines but he sails the pass over the receiver.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I saw where he was rated higher than most of the recent ND QBs. I don’t follow recruiting as closely as most on here so I’m wondering if he would’ve been rated as high if he were in a more bountiful football state like FL, GA, NC, TX, CA, OH, MI, etc? Isn’t he from Connecticut? I think the Golic boys were from there too…and they were both 4-stars as well IIRC.

 

[ulukinatme]

There's a reason he didn't get the job lol.....

Some guys are just practice gods and struggle at game time. Others step up on Saturdays. Golson was great in practice supposedly, but at the end of the year Zaire ended up MVP of the bowl game. I'm not saying Pyne is that way, just playing devil's advocate.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'd be shocked if both Pyne and Buchner are here next season. I could see both transferring.

Why would both transfer? Makes no sense. They're afraid Angeli is going to knock them both down a peg? I could see one going, but not both.

 

[NDMatt91]

Why would both transfer? Makes no sense. They're afraid Angeli is going to knock them both down a peg? I could see one going, but not both.

I think they bring in a good grad transfer who is better than both of them.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think they bring in a good grad transfer who is better than both of them.

Good grad transfers might be hard to come by. Last year I think there was only 5-7 QB transfers that were grad students and I wouldn't consider all of them necessarily good. There's other competition to consider too, and schools with better weapons for said QB to work with. I'd love to take one honestly, but the chances may be slim we can entice one of the good ones. Better chance they wind up at a USC/Texas type school.

 

[Junkhead]

I’d take 8-4 all day long. If Saturday is any indication, I see six more possible losses on this schedule: UNC, Clemson, SC, Syracuse, BYU, Stanford.

This. I am have a hard time seeing how ND goes 8-2 in the remaining games, after the turd we just watched last saturday.

 

[stlnd01]

I think they bring in a good grad transfer who is better than both of them.

Would probably take that AND Carr reclassifying or Angeli establishing himself as a credible starter - maybe even all three - for both to leave.

I think Pyne will graduate this spring and unless he's lights-out good he probably gets passed over by the start of next season. I could definitely see him grad transferring somewhere. Buchner, though, should have three years of eligibility remaining and enough upside that you could see him starting in '24 even after this theoretical grad transfer shows up. Also, knowing firsthand how football careers are short and fickle things, he may want to get his degree at Notre Dame, but is probably at least a year away from that.

 

[NDRock]

Good grad transfers might be hard to come by. Last year I think there was only 5-7 QB transfers that were grad students and I wouldn't consider all of them necessarily good. There's other competition to consider too, and schools with better weapons for said QB to work with. I'd love to take one honestly, but the chances may be slim we can entice one of the good ones. Better chance they wind up at a USC/Texas type school.

Nah, Texas and USC type schools actually recruit high end QBs. Better chance of getting someone from those schools who was recruited over.

 

[ThePiombino]

If Pyne is on because he’s a “gamer” his ceiling is the Wisconsin game. If he’s off his floor is Angeli will be the starter very soon. It’s sounded like for years now he consistently throws INTs in practice, which is what we saw Saturday.

Angeli will take over 2nd half of the game is my guess.

I wasnt even that impressed with the Wiscy game. If you go watch those passes individually its all floaters and stare downs. Wiscy was playing way too conservative.

Yep

Agreed it was kinda open ended on how much a compliment that really was.

I’ve seen some toss out basically why can’t Pyne be Stetson Bennett and the real reason Bennett looks good is the OL. He just stands back there and can survey everything 9/10 times. Pyne won’t have that.

Bennett is surrounded by studs at every position, plus Georgia routinely puts an elite defense on the field which, by default, makes the offense's lives easier.

 

[du Lac]

Agreed it was kinda open ended on how much a compliment that really was.

I’ve seen some toss out basically why can’t Pyne be Stetson Bennett and the real reason Bennett looks good is the OL. He just stands back there and can survey everything 9/10 times. Pyne won’t have that.

Pyne is not better than JT Daniels. Bennett became QB over JT Daniels. Pyne is not in the same universe as either. Pyne is not even close to as good as Book, the guy people keep comparing him to. Not even close.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I think they bring in a good grad transfer who is better than both of them.

I think that affects Carr more than anything. Specifically, it guarantees Carr waits until 2024 to enroll…which is fine by me….b/c it means one more year of Buchner at a minimum. Then Carr needs assurances he can compete for QB1 b/c at this point, I don’t see how he wouldn’t beat out Buchner.

 

[NDMatt91]

I think that affects Carr more than anything. Specifically, it guarantees Carr waits until 2024 to enroll…which is fine by me….b/c it means one more year of Buchner at a minimum. Then Carr needs assurances he can compete for QB1 b/c at this point, I don’t see how he wouldn’t beat out Buchner.

Carr staying in 2024 would be best. Not just for his development, but if we have a rough or "meh" season, we'll need someone like him to help put the 2024 class together.

 

[dublinirish]

over/under on how many picks he throws on Saturday has to be 2.5 right?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

over/under on how many picks he throws on Saturday has to be 2.5 right?

That seems about right. Considering he threw like 12 in the B&G game and threw one quicker than a hiccup last Saturday. Oh, and all the turnovers we heard about in Spring and Fall camp.

Needless to say, I'd hammer the over lol

 

[dublinirish]

That seems about right. Considering he threw like 12 in the B&G game and threw one quicker than a hiccup last Saturday. Oh, and all the turnovers we heard about in Spring and Fall camp.

Needless to say, I'd hammer the over lol

He definitely throws 2 picks in first half, Angeli comes in then but can't move the ball, Pyne comes back in for the 4th and throws his game sealing 3rd pick. It's easy to see how it would play out

 

[du Lac]

I think that affects Carr more than anything. Specifically, it guarantees Carr waits until 2024 to enroll…which is fine by me….b/c it means one more year of Buchner at a minimum. Then Carr needs assurances he can compete for QB1 b/c at this point, I don’t see how he wouldn’t beat out Buchner.

I'd rather get Carr now than watch Freeman win 5 games in 2023 and he flips to Michigan a year from now. Before those that say that'll never happen chime in, how did you feel we'd do against Marshall?

 

[du Lac]

As overrated as I think MF and TR are, I do believe we are a CJ Carr away from being potentially 2-0. Incredible QB play would have altered the games in a major way. The Marshall game may have simply been an early season blip that we won by 3 or 7, similar to what we've seen in the past with teams like Toledo and FSU. Not having anyone good at the position altered the game against our favor. Would BK have beaten Toledo with Buchner as his QB? I don't think so. The difference is BK was smart enough to go portal. That's not to say we shouldn't get a new OL coach and consider replacing coaches, but I think the gap between what MF has done so far and BK is hard to gauge in the setting of far less talented QB's running the show than Jack Coan. Jack saved Toledo. Our QB room is horrendous. That might be on Rees, but I think it's the difference between 0-2 and 2-0 or a super close loss to Ohio State.

Had we started this season with FSU and Marshall and had Jack Coan (or a transfer) as our QB this season, I bet we're 2-0.