Marshall Postgame

[NorthDakota]

I dunno, man. I’ve been to over 40 games in my life. I get up and cheer in those stands. I’m not that guy that sits on his ass and am not a fairweather fan. Today was tough to experience.

Cal is pretty bad
I think we beat them, but then lose the next 2.

I suspect ND does fine til then but they better wake the fuck up and quit feeling sorry for themselves

The biggest ND energy is feeling "close" and then shitting the bed. ND ain't good enough to feel sorry. Wake the fuck up. This team and university is soft.

This shit would not be tolerated in Fargo. And Fargo is soft. I'm gonna give Freeman the year to fix it. But this is unbecoming of an Irish squad.

 

[IrishMoore1]

I was at the game today as part of my bachelor weekend. A few thoughts:

• Braden Lenzy is a bust, I'm sorry. He's been in the program 5 years now, and has had little to no impact. Buchner's inaccuracy doesn't help but Lenzy has no ability to adjust to the ball in the air, isn't physical enough to stay in bounds, and has very poor catching ability (ball literally bounced off his helmet on one play)
• There are no threats in the receiver core and other teams know it.
• O-line play was again bad and disappointing
• Rees has no idea what he's doing. This isn't a functioning offense and there are serious issues here that I don't think can be fixed any time soon. It's clear to me now that Rees is just a continuation of what Kelly did with offense: one dimensional with no run game, qb regression with time in the program, and bad playcalling/adjustments. I keep hearing Freeman say establishing the run game is important for opening up the offense but this isn't reflected in the play calling. Rees seems more committed to a finesse run/pass balance instead of a smash mouth football run it down your throat approach.
• I was never sold on Rees but reserved judgment bc of qb depth issues and bad o-line coaching for a few seasons but now I see that Rees is a product of Kelly - he is the reason this offense isn't even functioning, a culmination of bad roster mismanagement, recruiting misses, and bad qb coaching. The play calling hasn't really changed at all, further demonstrating that Kelly wasn't hold him back. He is the Kelly school of offense.
• Crowd was very low energy but I'll tell you I sat on the east side of the field where it was hot as hell in the sun. Baking in the sun just isn't conducive to yelling or jumping around a whole lot, especially with families around.
• After today, I think we're in for a 2007-like season where we play an incredibly tough schedule with a decent defense but a terrible offense. Potentially a 1-5 start.

 

[goldfish/milano]

Why does it help you sleep?

I believe watching soccer helps everyone sleep

 

[goldfish/milano]

I’m not saying we can’t remedy the course. I’m saying we need to stop pretending like respect is owed to us. We are not feared at all.

ND was feared and respected when Holtz and Kelly were coaches. Freeman is a perfect example as to why you never hire a players coach. Not to mention, a man with zero experience

 

[stpeteirish]

So if TB is hurt does Angeli get any chance of some PT without Pyne getting hurt first?

Playing behind this line Pyne might get killed. He will definitely get hit a lot.
Many miscalculations by ND, the media and its fans. That we hired “the best OLine coach in the country” might be the biggest.

 

[irishandy]

Postgame Thoughts:
1) I thought hiring HH back would be a good thing, I am quite surprised of our offensive line play.
2) Rees has regressed as an OC, the NFL or Kelly can have him.
3) Our WR play is bad because our QB is bad.
4) I didn't buy into the Buchner hype last year because Jack Coan was so good. I thought Buchner would bounce back and have a great game. Buchner sucks, him playing 1 year of high school is hurting ND.
5) I am all on board for starting Angeli.
6) Our defense gave up points, but our offense has not been able to compliment the defense at all this year.

I want to see how this team responds next week. Freeman comes across as a nice guy/players coach- Freeman needs to get pissed.

Go Irish!

 

[FWIrish4]

The more I think about it the more blame I place on the players. At some point you just have to execute and do your damn job. Especially on the lines and you’re vastly more talented than the guy across from you. No sense of urgency, intensity, aggressiveness, etc.

At some point the players just have to take ownership and hold each other accountable. None of their best players just stepped up and made a play as the best player on the field. Besides Mayer and Tariq Bracy, who is playing at a high level that is noticeable?

We have Joe Alt standing and doing nothing while Estime is fighting for that 4th and 1 at midfield. Foskey has been playing patty cake all year with the tackle across from him. Nobody even dived to try to recover the perfectly executed onside kick.

We have a lot of great players, we just don’t have the majority of the roster playing at a high level right now which is the most frustrating part to me.

Edit: I want to make this abundantly clear, I’m not saying it is all on the players. But I absolutely think they have a pretty big role in yesterday’s disaster that I did not see being previously discussed since all of the focus has been on the coaching staff (rightfully so).

 

[Irish'15]

Either fire this ass hat head coach or admit you cheer for a program without desire to win

 

[Irish'15]

I doubt he ever wins a game.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

The more I think about it the more blame I place on the players. At some point you just have to execute and do your damn job. Especially on the lines and you’re vastly more talented than the guy across from you. No sense of urgency, intensity, aggressiveness, etc.

At some point the players just have to take ownership and hold each other accountable. None of their best players just stepped up and made a play as the best player on the field. Besides Mayer and Tariq Bracy, who is playing at a high level that is noticeable?

Then why fire a coach ever? Logically it has to start with the coaches. My eyes tell me we're a poorly coached and unprepared team.

 

[phork]

High lights. Salerno not on field.

But seriously. Now we know why BK left.
Rees is going to be fine, once we actually get players that can play. TB is not the answer and if the coaches selected him to start then the rest of the room is worse.

No threat at WR means load up the box. Don't expect that to change. When our WRs can't beat single coverage on teams like this don't expect any difference going forward.

As someone mentioned previously Mayer was wide open on that pick 6. TB has no ability to see the field.

If y'all are going into nuclear meltdown already I suggest you vacate your Saturdays for the rest of the year and find another team as a substitute this season.

 

[pumpdog20]

Why are "families" being blamed for the low energy at football games?

 

[stlnd01]

The more I think about it the more blame I place on the players. At some point you just have to execute and do your damn job. Especially on the lines and you’re vastly more talented than the guy across from you. No sense of urgency, intensity, aggressiveness, etc.

At some point the players just have to take ownership and hold each other accountable. None of their best players just stepped up and made a play as the best player on the field. Besides Mayer and Tariq Bracy, who is playing at a high level that is noticeable?

They showed Foskey on the sidelines lighting up the guys on D AFTER Marshall's 90+ yard go-ahead drive in the fourth quarter. Might have been better beforehand.

 

[Irish'15]

Marcus Freeman = Scott Frost. Oh wait, Frost has won a game.

 

[T Town Tommy]

MMFF reminds me of the young guy being promoted to a manager position because he seemed like the obvious, likeable choice and had shown signs that he could manage at a higher level. As the new manager he believes walking that tightrope of trying to please the workers and believes in the staff below him enough to defer decisions is his best approach. At some point, he realizes that the approach he has taken isn't working. The workers below him don't always perform as they should and neither does the staff he has deferred decisions to.

He understands the moment and wants to succeed and realizes his past approach isn't effective. The decisions he makes at this point will determine whether he will ultimately be successful or not. He has earned the opportunity to manage the business... but can he make the changes necessary in order to do it? That's the real question from yesterday's performance.

 

[Laker]

• I still can’t believe how bad we are on the offensive line. There is no reason why we should be averaging 3.5 YPC against a sun belt school with as much talent as we have on the OL, at least with the tackles and Patterson. So much of the optimism was being able to run the ball with this OL and an athletic QB and we just have not had any success. The backs are ok and we need more Tyree, but a lot of this is on the OL.
• TB didn’t play well and missed a couple major shots down the field that were open. When he’s not a yet consistent passer in the drop back game, you can’t run the ball and you miss dialed up deep shots. You’re going to struggle to beat most teams.
• Defense was fine. I hope to be more dominant against lower competition, but if you give up 19 points in college football you should win. The most frustrating thing is the lack of a dominant DL. Foskey and Jayson A talked a lot this offseason, are those dudes going to show up?
• It sucks and it is not what we are used to, but I’ll give MF one year to figure it out even if we go like 5-7. You almost always know by year 2 if you have the guy, so he is going to have to make major changes to see that through.

 

[FWIrish4]

Then why fire a coach ever? Logically it has to start with the coaches. My eyes tell me we're a poorly coached and unprepared team.

So firing a coach two games into their first season is the answer? Good luck rooting for Auburn moving forward.

Against Ohio State we were not unprepared or poorly coached. So your eyes are focused just on the Marshall game.

Against lesser talented teams a lot of the result comes down to the players. Are they as focused as they were for the big game last week? Are they executing and doing what they’ve been coached to do? Are they going through the motions because their talent was going to just win the game?

 

[NDFAN2008]

This is almost the exact same team with the added freshman that was steam rolling Oklahoma State last year minus Jack Coan what the hell is the deal

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

So firing a coach two games into their first season is the answer? Good luck rooting for Auburn moving forward.

Against Ohio State we were not unprepared or poorly coached. So your eyes are focused just on the Marshall game.

Against lesser talented teams a lot of the result comes down to the players. Are they as focused as they were for the big game last week? Are they executing and doing what they’ve been coached to do? Are they going through the motions because their talent was going to just win the game?

Where did I say we should fire MF? In other threads I have said absolutely not. But the fact is the fault rest with him. Rees? Yeah, he needs to be launched. But MF needs to get his own staff and not be anchored with someone else's prize pupil.

 

[phork]

I think you are forgetting some key pieces that have moved on. This is not the same team.

 

[drayer54]

• I still can’t believe how bad we are on the offensive line. There is no reason why we should be averaging 3.5 YPC against a sun belt school with as much talent as we have on the OL, at least with the tackles and Patterson. So much of the optimism was being able to run the ball with this OL and an athletic QB and we just have not had any success. The backs are ok and we need more Tyree, but a lot of this is on the OL.

When you have zero deep threats or real WR threats, you can play the run much more aggressively. If I’m DC against ND- I’m loading the box and sending pressure all day to make you pass. ND can’t pass.

 

[ThePiombino]

I think you are forgetting some key pieces that have moved on. This is not the same team.

Yeah, as much as we all appreciated Kyren Williams, I don't think we realized the extent to which he made the OL look way better than it was.

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[drayer54]

Yeah, as much as we all appreciated Kyren Williams, I don't think we realized the extent to which he made the OL look way better than it was.

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He was a 6th lineman in picking up a pass rusher. In pure blocking- he’s the best I remember from ND.

 

[stlnd01]

I think you are forgetting some key pieces that have moved on. This is not the same team.

Hamilton and Kryen didn't play in the bowl game, I think was NDFan's point. Beyond that we lost Coan, Austin, Hinish and MTA. That's about it?

 

[goldfish/milano]

Why are "families" being blamed for the low energy at football games?

It depends on if the last names of the family members are Freeman or Rees

 

[Irish#1]

Tyler Buchner over threw many of his passes. He was also slow on his reads. Both of which are hallmarks of coaches pushing down on him to "not throw interceptions" so instead he over throws or hesitates.... all of which results in incomplete passes or interceptions.

This what you get when you have an unexperienced HC with zero offensive experience with a young inexperienced OC. How Swarbrick didn't see this potential fatal flaw is beyond me.

Will we be bowl eligible?? Kelly leaves a Top 5 program and I don't see us being Top 20 after week 3 at this rate.

Because he’s an attorney and not a FB coach.

 

[goldfish/milano]

When you have zero deep threats or real WR threats, you can play the run much more aggressively. If I’m DC against ND- I’m loading the box and sending pressure all day to make you pass. ND can’t pass.

Just have your players stand there. Rest assured, the results will be the same

 

[Grahambo]

There’s plenty of talent on the roster and speed. They appear slow at the moment. Why’s that? Generally that’s because of complexities in a playbook forcing them to have to think too much during a play. You’re seeing that coupled with a new QB, new WR group, and a poor OL. Recipe for disaster.

When we look at the WR group, Zo is a first time #1, Jayden never played before, and they keep having to put out Salerno (no disrespect to him but he shouldn’t be receiving targets on a Top 5/10 team). They only real player with real experience is Mayer.

At RB, Estime is playing his first real action and Diggs seems a step slow (didn’t he have surgery in the off-season?). Why Tyree isn’t being utilized more is beyond me. Seems Salerno has more targets then Tyree.

Then we have the OL. Enough said.

There’s plenty of talent on the roster. The coaches have failed, namely TR. He’s calling plays like Coan is still there. That’s a miscalculation by him in not utilizing their strengths and simplifying things.

If they come out and put up 30+ against Cal and look sharp, there’s hope for the rest of the season.

 

[stlnd01]

There’s plenty of talent on the roster and speed. They appear slow at the moment. Why’s that? Generally that’s because of complexities in a playbook forcing them to have to think too much during a play. You’re seeing that coupled with a new QB, new WR group, and a poor OL. Recipe for disaster.

When we look at the WR group, Zo is a first time #1, Jayden never played before, and they keep having to put out Salerno (no disrespect to him but he shouldn’t be receiving targets on a Top 5/10 team). They only real player with real experience is Mayer.

At RB, Estime is playing his first real action and Diggs seems a step slow (didn’t he have surgery in the off-season?). Why Tyree isn’t being utilized more is beyond me. Seems Salerno has more targets then Tyree.

Then we have the OL. Enough said.

There’s plenty of talent on the roster. The coaches have failed, namely TR. He’s calling plays like Coan is still there. That’s a miscalculation by him in not utilizing their strengths and simplifying things.

If they come out and put up 30+ against Cal and look sharp, there’s hope for the rest of the season.

Agree. There's a lot of youth on the offense and I tend to think they should get it together. At this point it's mostly a race to see if they're able to before everyone gives up on the season entirely. Next week could determine a lot.

That said, if Buchner's hurt and out we're F'd. I know he hasn't been great but he's a lot better than the alternatives.

 

[goldfish/milano]

Eleven wins a season and playing for the National Championship are starting to look pretty good right now