'23 MD DE Jason Moore (Ohio State Verbal)

[PutuporShutup]

I don’t think anyone doesn’t recognize they could do even better and in this case Moore was a miss but your complaints are all over the place therefore tough to take serious. The truth is you really could care less about Jason Moore and just used this as an excuse to parlay into a complaint you already envisioned about skill player recruiting.

No this all came about from people saying no big deal we lost out on moore which is insanity… it’s easy to discuss missing out on moore with all the other big recruits we miss out on. Hopefully that changes as it could

 

[Dale]

people saying no big deal we lost out on moore which is insanity

Not one person said that when you started complaining.

 

[GoldenAura]

Wow are people sensitive…. This is football discussion. Shows who has or hasn’t played or coached

I bet you and Irishdrunk could have a very long and fruitful conversation. You should seek him out.

 

[BabyIrish]

Keeley carr and who else?

With all I’m saying recruiting is not my big concern with freeman… it’s his game day prep, adjustments and coaching

That will be the test… we go 11-1 and recruiting rockets… we go 9-3 or 8-4 and it will slightly slow

Swain and Jagausah aren’t consensus top 25 but have a top 25 ranking in one of the sites.

 

[Sea Turtle]

We are doing better. But clearly, we are not in Ohio States league. Opening night could get ugly.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Not one person said that when you started complaining.

Not one not two but three

1 week on the site and I see what poster you are. The one that's opinion can never be wrong, and when they love a coach, as soon as you give any criticism they blast you vs countering or having a debate.

No worries. I believe Freeman will be a better head coach then he was a DC. I think Golden won't make the same moronic schematic calls/structure, and I believe we are seeing how inspirational and good of a person Freeman is allowing him to attract top players and coaches. I think recruiting will only get better if he can go 10-2 or better.

 

[Irishnuke]

Wow are people sensitive…. This is football discussion. Shows who has or hasn’t played or coached

“nEeD bEtTeR rEcEiVeRs. I pLaYeD fOoTbAlL.”

You’re not going to be here very long. Enjoy your stay.

 

[anarin]

Damn... another Koon burner account

 

[PutuporShutup]

“nEeD bEtTeR rEcEiVeRs. I pLaYeD fOoTbAlL.”

You’re not going to be here very long. Enjoy your stay.

Don't forget, or coached. Maybe people should listen to those who actually know the sport? Just a thought.

 

[benneboy]

Not one not two but three

There is a quote feature if you could point it out. I couldn't find a no big deal post in this thread though I didn't go back that far.

If you're under the impression that you've wondered into the sunshine and rainbows forum for Notre Dame football, take a seat and strap up. Freeman's done a great job of recruiting but if that momentum falters and he loses more games than most are expecting, this forum along with every other will be as ruthless as always.

But for now he and the staff deserve high praise for what's likely to be the best class hauled in in near or over a decade. Dumping on that because it's not the greatest in the history of recruiting or at the level of the greatest college football coach of our lifetime (Saban), in Freemans first few months on the job, feels trollish.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Don't forget, or coached. Maybe people should listen to those who actually know the sport? Just a thought.

Honest question here (since it seems like you've coached based on this), who should ND have gone for? Obviously we can name tons of 5 star guys, but there are coaches and guys who will watch tons of film and evaluate who gush over guys who aren't in the top 100. Is there anyone outside of the top 100 that we should have gone for but didn't in your opinion?

 

[Reaper97]

We are doing better. But clearly, we are not in Ohio States league. Opening night could get ugly.

Oregon beat OSU last year in Columbus in the home opener.
ND has a better OL, DL, LBs & the secondaries are a tie or advantage ND.

OSU has a big advantage at QB/WR/RB.

But ND’s advantage in the trenches should keep it close.

 

[ACamp1900]

All you did was run down like the Top 15 prospects like we’re supposed to land all of them,…

Well, duh,….

 

[Dale]

The one that's opinion can never be wrong, and when they love a coach, as soon as you give any criticism they blast you vs countering or having a debate.

I don’t think I have even offered any opinion as much as pointed out basic issues with yours, and in some cases blatantly made up points.

 

[PutuporShutup]

There is a quote feature if you could point it out. I couldn't find a no big deal post in this thread though I didn't go back that far.

If you're under the impression that you've wondered into the sunshine and rainbows forum for Notre Dame football, take a seat and strap up. Freeman's done a great job of recruiting but if that momentum falters and he loses more games than most are expecting, this forum along with every other will be as ruthless as always.

But for now he and the staff deserve high praise for what's likely to be the best class hauled in in near or over a decade. Dumping on that because it's not the greatest in the history of recruiting or at the level of the greatest college football coach of our lifetime (Saban), in Freemans first few months on the job, feels trollish.

my intention was not to dump on the class. Not at all, i think it's an awesome class, especially defensively. My point is that this class helps to close the gap but we still have a ways to go.

I really really hope freeman does exceptionally well year 1 for many obvious and not so obvious reasons. I think the fan base will really turn on each other with an 8-4 or worse season.

 

[stlnd01]

my intention was not to dump on the class. Not at all, i think it's an awesome class, especially defensively. My point is that this class helps to close the gap but we still have a ways to go.

I really really hope freeman does exceptionally well year 1 for many obvious and not so obvious reasons. I think the fan base will really turn on each other with an 8-4 or worse season.

There will be mistakes. We will probably lose a game at some point that we would have won under (post-2016) Kelly. We are perilously thin at QB/RB/WR. But barring, like, a season-ending injury to Buchner, I like to think 8-4 would be the absolute floor for us, given the schedule.
And if Freeman can start to get more of the talent accumulating in the lower classes onto the field? Nowhere to go but up from there. Which will keep the natives from getting too restless.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Oregon beat OSU last year in Columbus in the home opener.
ND has a better OL, DL, LBs & the secondaries are a tie or advantage ND.

OSU has a big advantage at QB/WR/RB.

But ND’s advantage in the trenches should keep it close.

Idk where OSU stands compared to last year, but if Oregon was able to run all over them, I have to imagine we would be able to do the same. Maybe they shored up a lot since then, and idk who they lost. But given the caliber of ND’s OL compared to what Oregon was able to field, I like us a lot.

Couple that with our DL, LB’s, and coaching staff, could make for a long night for the Buckeyes.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Honest question here (since it seems like you've coached based on this), who should ND have gone for? Obviously we can name tons of 5 star guys, but there are coaches and guys who will watch tons of film and evaluate who gush over guys who aren't in the top 100. Is there anyone outside of the top 100 that we should have gone for but didn't in your opinion?

I think you're reading my take wrong. It's not about going for different people. I think ND staff did a hell of a job this class so far other than Dante Moore, don't completely agree with how we handled that (writing on the wall should have came earlier). My point is we still need to do better to become a yearly contender. Not get into the playoff and get blown out, but truly capable of competing.

I haven't said anything about coaches should be doing more recruiting, we just have to land a few more elite athletes especially at the skilled positions. That is all. From my perspective our WRs this class have high floors, but not that high of ceilings other than maybe James. We need some first round skill position potential.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Did you say anything of value there or even opinion? Or just like seeing yourself type?

Not hard to see this class is an improvement, no debate there, but improvement of this class doesn’t get us to where we or at least I would like to see ND go.

You can join my side hustle where I teach short people math… class name is “make all the little things count” … seems like you qualify


It’s amazing the number of people that think we’re “there” all of a sudden

Math and logic are hard. So is reading comprehension....to a point.

WTF are you on about? This class is an improvement. We aren't going to make up the delta between us and Bama/Georgia/tOSU in a single class. In a perfect world, we sign 25 kids in the top 100 and they all value academics and athletics and then we do that 3 times in a row and start stacking nattys. In the real world however, a top 5 class in Freeman's first year is an incredible start compared to the past 15 years of ND recruiting.

Who said we're "there"? Please post a link, I'll join you in telling them 'not yet'.

Your side hustle seems to be going well, keep it up! I'll join for a year but I need some assurances...

 

[Old Man Mike]

By the way: LOTS of IE members have played and/or coached. No one here's impressed with that kind of "authoritative" crap. . So look at your own by-line and Put-up-or-Shut-up. Nobody's impressed with loud commentary unless it's well-written and backed up. Dale, for instance, has earned his right to be taken seriously. You're still a rookie here regardless of your self-styled expertise. It also helps, by the way, to tone the personal stuff way down.

 

[PutuporShutup]

By the way: LOTS of IE members have played and/or coached. No one here's impressed with that kind of "authoritative" crap. . So look at your own by-line and Put-up-or-Shut-up. Nobody's impressed with loud commentary unless it's well-written and backed up. Dale, for instance, has earned his right to be taken seriously. You're still a rookie here regardless of your self-styled expertise. It also helps, by the way, to tone the personal stuff way down.

Even more sensitive, Wowsers.

Earning rights? Quality content is quality content.

Being hyped about moore and how he’s going to elevate our class 2 weeks ago to “well we didn’t need him our dline haul is great already” is what I can’t stand. The comparison is we don’t win these late battles vs the top schools for the top talent. It’s great elston got on keeley early before he completely blew up. But we need to win some of these 5 star recruiting battles that happen later in the cycle if we want to get ourselves up to the top echelon. We’re not far, but the next step isn’t easy. Freeman having a good first season is crucial.

Again great class, but need a bit more.

Regarding myself, I'm not in the "know" with recruiting, but I know how to evaluate teams and individual talent. That's where my strength in content will come in, and I will appreciate everyone else's wisdom on who we're leading for regarding recruiting or stuff happening behind the scenes. I really enjoy healthy debate, especially around where we are today vs how do we win a national championship. This is ND football, it has been far too long since we've won a title and honestly had a realistic chance to win a title. I think Freeman is the right move, we needed to take a risk to figure out how to get more talented players and coaches in the door. Now, can they all coach? We shall see this year

 

[irishff1014]

I think you're reading my take wrong. It's not about going for different people. I think ND staff did a hell of a job this class so far other than Dante Moore, don't completely agree with how we handled that (writing on the wall should have came earlier). My point is we still need to do better to become a yearly contender. Not get into the playoff and get blown out, but truly capable of competing.

I haven't said anything about coaches should be doing more recruiting, we just have to land a few more elite athletes especially at the skilled positions. That is all. From my perspective our WRs this class have high floors, but not that high of ceilings other than maybe James. We need some first round skill position potential.

I am not sure how much you followed recruiting while Kelly was the head coach this class is kicking all but one classes ass. And this staff hasn’t played its first game. I believe we have 7 top 100 players committed. (I can’t remember that off the top of my head) They have gotten some top talent come check out the program that the Kelly era would have not done.

Of course we all want more talent but not all the talented players want to come here and a large portion can’t because because of their academics. So this class is setting itself up good. I don’t like they way the QB position was recruited. Both Moore’s mislead the staff as well. Not much you can do about that.

And we still have the opportunity for some of these guys to prove they are underrated like Shuler.

 

[du Lac]

Ohio State is crumbling. Come home J Moore.

 

[T-Boone]

Ohio State is crumbling. Come home J Moore.

Who has left besides Tate? I don’t follow it much.

 

[GATTACA!]

Who has left besides Tate? I don’t follow it much.

A 4* CB just decommitted

Dijon Johnson

 

[Ndaccountant]

A 4* CB just decommitted

Dijon Johnson

Ty Lockwood looking like a potential flip to Bama too

 

[ThePiombino]

Have to think the reason anyone is leaving OSU at this point is because of NIL. Wouldn't suggest getting our hopes up about poaching since we handle NIL pretty much the same as they do.

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[Ndaccountant]

Have to think the reason anyone is leaving OSU at this point is because of NIL. Wouldn't suggest getting our hopes up about poaching since we handle NIL pretty much the same as they do.

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Don't think it's NIL in either case FYI. Dijon staying closer to home and Ty Lockwood was apparently upset they tool a second TE in the class. Not every flip is NIL related. But your point still stands on OSU versus ND.

 

[ThePiombino]

Don't think it's NIL in either case FYI. Dijon staying closer to home and Ty Lockwood was apparently upset they tool a second TE in the class. Not every flip is NIL related. But your point still stands on OSU versus ND.

Ok, fair enough. That being the case the OSU class is, in fact, not falling apart then. No reason to think JM is reconsidering his decision.

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[irishandy]

I wonder if Golden & Washington are still in contact with Moore??