Another Shooting

[GATTACA!]

Highland Park Mayor Nancy Rotering.

The stories coming out from this past week all seem to point to the kids knowing what to do and how to respond in the moments the shooter began to fire.

An 8 year old boy suffered a severed spine from being wounded. Serious condition as of Friday: Highland Park parade shooting has left 8-year-old Cooper Roberts with severed spinal cord

We’ve tried nothing and are all out of ideas. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm burying my head in the sand as it relates to Uvalde.

Every new bit that comes out is more disgusting than the last. Really takes a big piss on the "good guy with a gun" theory.

Horrendous.

 

[drayer54]

I'm burying my head in the sand as it relates to Uvalde.

Every new bit that comes out is more disgusting than the last. Really takes a big piss on the "good guy with a gun" theory.

Horrendous.

Actually, it does the opposite. A good guy with a gun was needed. Instead we had armed cowards checking their phones and getting hand sanitizer. This is a case study in police failure, nothing to do with guns. He should have been dead on arrival and those kids alive.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Actually, it does the opposite. A good guy with a gun was needed. Instead we had armed cowards checking their phones and getting hand sanitizer. This is a case study in police failure, nothing to do with guns. He should have been dead on arrival and those kids alive.

FTR I believe the guy checking his phone was the. Husband of the teacher who was shot and killed. The photo of him checking the phone was him getting texts from his injured wife.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

The response by the Uvalde police department was indeed lousy and I wouldn’t make excuses for them. I would say that the situations the police officers have to train for in our current time are pretty overwhelming: protesting/rioting, rage killings, mass shootings, pressure from society that they don’t use too much force or make a rash decision, drug addicted people, domestic violence, mental illness……it’s almost endless. They are almost in a no win situation unless they execute their duties with near perfection. The resources in a small town like Uvalde are limited and they most likely do not have a large budget for thoroughly training the officers on the plethora of possible situations they may encounter. The microscope that they are under, especially where actions involving people of color are involved, must cause the officers to constantly second guess their own actions. That makes it extremely difficult to take action quickly, even if you are a “good” officer.

 

[irishff1014]

The response by the Uvalde police department was indeed lousy and I wouldn’t make excuses for them. I would say that the situations the police officers have to train for in our current time are pretty overwhelming: protesting/rioting, rage killings, mass shootings, pressure from society that they don’t use too much force or make a rash decision, drug addicted people, domestic violence, mental illness……it’s almost endless. They are almost in a no win situation unless they execute their duties with near perfection. The resources in a small town like Uvalde are limited and they most likely do not have a large budget for thoroughly training the officers on the plethora of possible situations they may encounter. The microscope that they are under, especially where actions involving people of color are involved, must cause the officers to constantly second guess their own actions. That makes it extremely difficult to take action quickly, even if you are a “good” officer.

I know it wasn’t but this looks almost staged. I have seen some videos from inside the school and the cops were acting with 0 urgency. I have seen our local police do drills with 1000 times the urgency they had. One common thing about this shooting is the poor performance of the law enforcement. And from someone that works with them every day and talking about this there is a lot of chatter.

I am sure the shooter knew exactly how they operated since he was once a student there.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

There's only one answer: Reopen the insane asylums.
It would get 50% of the homeless off the street and give these crazy people a place to go for the "help" they need.

Obviously they would need to be run very strictly with constant monitoring to avoid the horror stories of the past.

 

[GoldenAura]

‘Systemic failures’ in Uvalde school massacre, report finds

"Nearly 400 law enforcement officials rushed to a mass shooting at a Uvalde elementary school, but “egregiously poor decision-making” resulted in more than an hour of chaos before the gunman who took 21 lives was finally confronted and killed, according to a damning investigative report released Sunday."

What a fucking joke.

 

[Irish2155]

Someone just popped off about 20 shots in my local mall’s food court. 4 confirmed dead including the shooter.

 

[Irish#1]

Someone just popped off about 20 shots in my local mall’s food court. 2 confirmed dead so far.

Shooter was carrying a rifle. A Good Samaritan who was carrying dropped him.

3 people dead, 2 injured in shooting at Greenwood Park Mall

GREENWOOD, Ind. (WISH) — Three people are dead and two people are injured after a shooting Sunday afternoon at Greenwood Park Mall Sunday according to the Greenwood Police Department. One man died at the mall after being shot, according to the Johnson County Coroner’s Office. A second man and a...

www.wishtv.com

 

[drayer54]

4 dead- stopped by a good guy with a gun.

 

[Irish2155]

Shooter was carrying a rifle. A Good Samaritan who was carrying dropped him.

3 people dead, 2 injured in shooting at Greenwood Park Mall

GREENWOOD, Ind. (WISH) — Three people are dead and two people are injured after a shooting Sunday afternoon at Greenwood Park Mall Sunday according to the Greenwood Police Department. One man died at the mall after being shot, according to the Johnson County Coroner’s Office. A second man and a...

www.wishtv.com

Thank God for that Good Samaritan. Sounds like it could have been a lot worse. I just bought golf balls from that Dicks the Saturday before last.

 

[drayer54]

Thank God for that Good Samaritan. Sounds like it could have been a lot worse. I just bought golf balls from that Dicks the Saturday before last.

He was carrying in a posted gun-free mall. We can see how effective those signs are. Also- that’s a pretty quick response- I have to think he was pretty close to where the guy came in.

 

[Irish#1]

Thank God for that Good Samaritan. Sounds like it could have been a lot worse. I just bought golf balls from that Dicks the Saturday before last.

Good Samaritan was a 22 year old from Bartholomew with a carry permit.

To put it in perspective on how no one is safe and that it can happen anywhere, this is just a few miles from 2155's house and about 8 miles from mine.

 

[Irish2155]

He was carrying in a posted gun-free mall. We can see how effective those signs are. Also- that’s a pretty quick response- I have to think he was pretty close to where the guy came in.

It was in the food court which obviously gets a lot of traffic and is by one of the main entrances behind Dicks. It was closing time on a Sunday so probably at it’s least busiest time.

 

[drayer54]

Just saw this blurb from the Uvalde report.

Good Samaritan was a 22 year old from Bartholomew with a carry permit.

To put it in perspective on how no one is safe and that it can happen anywhere, this is just a few miles from 2155's house and about 8 miles from mine.

I'm 30 miles away from it. It's frightening for sure.

 

[Irish2155]

Good Samaritan was a 22 year old from Bartholomew with a carry permit.

To put it in perspective on how no one is safe and that it can happen anywhere, this is just a few miles from 2155's house and about 8 miles from mine.

My lady is there a lot more than me but yeah, we frequent it fairly often. I had my 6 month y/o grandson at that Cheesecake Factory just 3 weeks ago.

She isn't from here and I was just telling her how Greenwood mall was starting to remind me more and more like Washington Square everyday. And when Macy's decides to leave then Greenwood mall will go down hill real fast, like Washington Square. Then this shooting happens... Yikes.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

He was carrying in a posted gun-free mall. We can see how effective those signs are. Also- that’s a pretty quick response- I have to think he was pretty close to where the guy came in.

I'm willing to bet the good Samaritan gets sued and possible charges brought against.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but some of the stories I've read where security guards that stopped active shooters are getting taken to civil court are very shocking.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I'm willing to bet the good Samaritan gets sued and possible charges brought against.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but some of the stories I've read where security guards that stopped active shooters are getting taken to civil court are very shocking.

Sad but true.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I'm willing to bet the good Samaritan gets sued and possible charges brought against.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but some of the stories I've read where security guards that stopped active shooters are getting taken to civil court are very shocking.

So I struggle with this alot. I understand there are people who carry who are willing to take the chance to to intervene. There are others who carry who wont and there are those who dont carry that also have to choose to intervene or not or have other priorties like children to secure and get to safety.

But then there is also the security guards or police who enter the situation not knowing who is who and there are just as many stories of citizens who carry and get mistakenly shot by LEo coming in blind.... from their POV what is the correct thing to do? THey have their own things they have to process and deal with in the heat of the moment and they are actually supposed to be the ones responding.

I dont know what the answer is and I don't think its as clear cut as just claiming victory b/c a good guy with a gun saved this day. There are plenty of days where they dont or are also a victim because they were mistakenly shot by responding LEOs.

And signs arent going to do anything to stop anyone carrying. But i have to ask as I dont know any details how did the good Samaritan have a gun if the mall was supposed to be gun free?

 

[drayer54]

So I struggle with this alot. I understand there are people who carry who are willing to take the chance to to intervene. There are others who carry who wont and there are those who dont carry that also have to choose to intervene or not or have other priorties like children to secure and get to safety.

But then there is also the security guards or police who enter the situation not knowing who is who and there are just as many stories of citizens who carry and get mistakenly shot by LEo coming in blind.... from their POV what is the correct thing to do? THey have their own things they have to process and deal with in the heat of the moment and they are actually supposed to be the ones responding.

I dont know what the answer is and I don't think its as clear cut as just claiming victory b/c a good guy with a gun saved this day. There are plenty of days where they dont or are also a victim because they were mistakenly shot by responding LEOs.

And signs arent going to do anything to stop anyone carrying. But i have to ask as I dont know any details how did the good Samaritan have a gun if the mall was supposed to be gun free?

This is why people who routinely carry need training. They must understand their weapon, the law, first aid, and what to do in a defensive scenario. Many legislatures purposely make it burdensome, meaning if you live in a state with weird laws, you need to know them.

I don't know of too many stories of a good guy getting popped in confusion.

Most red states have preemption and clarification laws that regulate where guns can be restricted. So if a liberal powerhouse donor owns a mall chain and puts fancy signs up, it doesn't mean much. It does mean if someone were to identify you as carrying, they could ask you to leave, and you would be trespassing if you didn't. Without knowing it, I'll bet you routinely walk past guns in the grocery store, gas stations, malls, and more.

Personally, if I am carrying, I don't give a shit about a voluntary sign on the door. The bad guys sure don't either.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

"Only" four innocent lives lost at a mall.

 

[Irish#1]

This is why people who routinely carry need training. They must understand their weapon, the law, first aid, and what to do in a defensive scenario. Many legislatures purposely make it burdensome, meaning if you live in a state with weird laws, you need to know them.

I don't know of too many stories of a good guy getting popped in confusion.

Most red states have preemption and clarification laws that regulate where guns can be restricted. So if a liberal powerhouse donor owns a mall chain and puts fancy signs up, it doesn't mean much. It does mean if someone were to identify you as carrying, they could ask you to leave, and you would be trespassing if you didn't. Without knowing it, I'll bet you routinely walk past guns in the grocery store, gas stations, malls, and more.

Personally, if I am carrying, I don't give a shit about a voluntary sign on the door. The bad guys sure don't either.

I don't remember where a good guy was accidently shot by the police, but I suppose it's happened before. I know the security folks at Greenwood Park Mall don't carry guns so if the GS wasn't there, there would probably have been more victims.

Shooter was a 20 year old kid. Was carrying multiple weapons and clips. From this article, it sounds like he was trying to blow up his apartment as well.

Police: Armed bystander shot and killed Greenwood Park Mall shooter in just 15 seconds

Those killed are 56-year-old Pedro Pineda, his wife 37-year-old Rosa Mirian Rivera de Pineda and 30-year-old Victor Gomez.

www.wthr.com

 

[ab2cmiller]

Not a fan of the new Indiana law to make it a permitless carry state. But in this case it sounds like it may have helped end this thing before lots of others were murdered.

Good Samaritan was from Seymour and supposedly did not have a concealed carry permit prior to the new law going into place. If true, it's highly likely the gentleman wouldn't have been carrying yesterday.

A lot of social media seems to be tying the murders to the new law. Seems a bit of a stretch considering the killer had two rifles. However, there will likely be a day in the future where somebody will kill a bunch of people with a concealed handgun. The blowback will be pretty hard in that case.

Police: Armed bystander shot and killed Greenwood Park Mall shooter in just 15 seconds

Those killed are 56-year-old Pedro Pineda, his wife 37-year-old Rosa Mirian Rivera de Pineda and 30-year-old Victor Gomez.

www.wthr.com

Sorry Irish#1, I was linking the same article you were at roughly the same time.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It still makes me very uneasy that in order to feel safe from these random shootings the solution is for me to be armed myself, which would require documentation, licensing and training on how to handle a firearm. The solution just circles back to guns. Teachers having them in classrooms, pastors in churches, concealed carry by regular citizens at grocery stores and malls.

I really should be able to just go to the mall unarmed and come home safely minus all the nonsense. I'm sure some will say that's not realistic and is asking too much, which really symbolizes a big part of the problem that we've come to the point that asking that is above and beyond citizenship here in America.

 

[Irish2155]

It’s really shameful. For folks who don’t know, this is a nice mall. Nice area to live. I’m came this way bc of the bullshit that I’ve seen on the east side of Indy. That includes Wanamaker, Jim.

Fucked up how fucked up people are. Thank God for that SM because it was absolutely getting worse from local reports.

Let’s just say…I’ll be buying my golf balls elsewhere going forward

 

[Poirette]

It’s really shameful. For folks who don’t know, this is a nice mall. Nice area to live. I’m came this way bc of the bullshit that I’ve seen on the east side of Indy. That includes Wanamaker, Jim.

Fucked up how fucked up people are. Thank God for that SM because it was absolutely getting worse from local reports.

Let’s just say…I’ll be buying my golf balls elsewhere going forward

This kid is not a one off

Look at the "type"
Isolated
tried to trash his computer
Went down the facebook rabbit hole, mestastazing both his isolation and his anger and resentment, for that is precisely what facebook does.

and a lot of people on here come from healthy communicative Domer families.
Look at Jonathan Douglas Sapirman

"No violent tendencies" Sure, that's convenient

But then do the forensics on the laptop he tried to burn. You may not be able to unsee the stuff on there.

american, we have a problem, and it is HUGE!

 

[Rockin’Irish]

This kid is not a one off

Look at the "type"
Isolated
tried to trash his computer
Went down the facebook rabbit hole, mestastazing both his isolation and his anger and resentment, for that is precisely what facebook does.

and a lot of people on here come from healthy communicative Domer families.
Look at Jonathan Douglas Sapirman

"No violent tendencies" Sure, that's convenient

But then do the forensics on the laptop he tried to burn. You may not be able to unsee the stuff on there.

american, we have a problem, and it is HUGE!

It’s the same thing over and over and over again, a person feels they have been wronged by society in some form or fashion. They become socially and emotionally isolated (assisted by social media) and they are going to get vengeance by lashing out in whatever way they feel is justified. Similar to how folks are radicalized via the internet.

 

[GATTACA!]

Fucked up how fucked up people are.

 

[drayer54]

It still makes me very uneasy that in order to feel safe from these random shootings the solution is for me to be armed myself, which would require documentation, licensing and training on how to handle a firearm. The solution just circles back to guns. Teachers having them in classrooms, pastors in churches, concealed carry by regular citizens at grocery stores and malls.

I really should be able to just go to the mall unarmed and come home safely minus all the nonsense. I'm sure some will say that's not realistic and is asking too much, which really symbolizes a big part of the problem that we've come to the point that asking that is above and beyond citizenship here in America.

Yes, you should be able to do those things without a gun. Agree.

However, the world is not safe. The social justice movement has weakened enforcement of laws and put more bad people on the street. I don’t want to have to carry. I’d rather not have to think about it and whether or not I need to disarm before going in somewhere. I don’t think teachers need guns. I know a lot of teachers and think that is a bad idea. Having a couple in the building is smart though.