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[KPENN]

Wasn’t sure where to put this.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Well, we have a first year head coach.
First year starter
At minumum 5 losable games
And an OC that sucks ( I am not a Rees fan)

I think we win 8 games. and get absolutely throttled at Ohio State and Clemson. .

Well... who else do we lose to?

 

[Reaper97]

Well, we have a first year head coach.
First year starter
At minumum 5 losable games
And an OC that sucks ( I am not a Rees fan)

I think we win 8 games. and get absolutely throttled at Ohio State and Clemson. .

You think ND gets throttled at home vs Clemson?

A) When is the last time ND got throttled at home? Seriously? Not even in the garbage 2016 season.

B) ND’s defense plus Clemson’s offense, does not equal anybody getting throttled.

C) ND’s roster is way more talented than 10 of the 12 teams they play, and probably the same or equal as 11.

D) “At minimum 5 losable games.”
What does losable mean? Every game is losable. Losable usually means 60/40 (40% or higher chance of losing) on the model predictors. And you say minimum of 5, so probably more? Who are the 5+ teams that have a 40% chance of beating ND?

E) I think you are giving other teams WAY too much credit.
ND’s OL Will control the LOS against every team on the schedule easily outside of Clemson.
ND’s defense will be too good for most teams on ND’s schedule.
OSU’s offense will be elite. No question.
Clemson’s struggled last year.
USC still doesn’t have an OL.
BYU isn’t putting up a bunch of points on ND.
UNC lost their elite QB.
Who else? What other offense is scoring on ND?

F) Even if ND only wins 8 like you say, that’s still way over 6.6 wins. That 6.6 number is just stupid.

 

[pumpdog20]

I took the under 8.5 wins on draftkings

- I think TB12 is going to be Brandon Wimbush 2017 good, but get injured
-The offense is going to stink. Missing Price for the year really hurt the running game as I think Diggs will likely disappoint at the level we are expecting and Tyree ain't built to be a lead back. Plus we're putting a lot of expectations in an OL that wasn't that great last year. Maybe Fisher is the key to a turn around. But I don't see teams having to respect the passing game, so 8+ man boxes is going to make our OL look worse than maybe it actually is
- Receiving game is going to be bad once Mayer gets triple teamed
- Defense is going to be real good, offense just won't score enough points in four games
-With that said, we still have a lot more talent than 8 of the teams on the schedule
- Ohio State, BYU, Clemson, USC are my projected losses

 

[Reaper97]

I took the under 8.5 wins on draftkings

- I think TB12 is going to be Brandon Wimbush 2017 good, but get injured
-The offense is going to stink. Missing Price for the year really hurt the running game as I think Diggs will likely disappoint at the level we are expecting and Tyree ain't built to be a lead back. Plus we're putting a lot of expectations in an OL that wasn't that great last year. Maybe Fisher is the key to a turn around. But I don't see teams having to respect the passing game, so 8+ man boxes is going to make our OL look worse than maybe it actually is
- Receiving game is going to be bad once Mayer gets triple teamed
- Defense is going to be real good, offense just won't score enough points in four games
-With that said, we still have a lot more talent than 8 of the teams on the schedule
- Ohio State, BYU, Clemson, USC are my projected losses

What about BYU impresses you?
Their strength is in the trenches, but ND’s OL & front 7 are wayyyyy superior.
And they don’t have the athletes ND does. That’s their weakness.
The only problem for ND is that it’s in Vegas.

 

[NDPhilly]

Also expecting 8-4. We are due for a disappointing year and there are too many variables that could go against us, the biggest being Buchner's health and general effectiveness.

 

[Reaper97]

Also expecting 8-4. We are due for a disappointing year and there are too many variables that could go against us, the biggest being Buchner's health and general effectiveness.

If you removed Buchner today, and slated Pyne as the starting QB, ND should still win at least 8 games alone with the OL & Defense.
They wouldn’t blow people out, but just running the ball & playing great defense would beat 8-9 teams on ND’s schedule.

People who aren’t usually pro-ND are saying on shows that this is ND’s most talented roster top to bottom in two decades.
I’m surprised how down many ND fans are on this roster.
It’s better, even with Pyne, than 8 teams on the schedule.

 

[pumpdog20]

What about BYU impresses you?
Their strength is in the trenches, but ND’s OL & front 7 are wayyyyy superior.
And they don’t have the athletes ND does. That’s their weakness.
The only problem for ND is that it’s in Vegas.

The last part

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Ohio State, BYU, Clemson, USC are my projected losses.

Following on @Reaper97's comment, I think you're giving USC and BYU too much credit.

 

[Reaper97]

The last part

If ND can’t beat a team they are way better than at every position, at a neutral site, then maybe Marcus isn’t the guy?
ND should win that game by double-digits.

 

[Reaper97]

Following on @Reaper97's comment, I think you're giving USC and BYU too much credit.

Yeah, I need to see USC block someone & tackle.

Lincoln Riley had really, really good OL at OU and elite skill players & still lost multiple games every year because they didn’t play Defense.
Now at USC he will have a WAY worse OL & a lot less talent on Defense than at OU.

I need to see them actually play before I give them any credit. But even then, they won’t be blocking a DL like ND’s all season.

 

[pumpdog20]

If you removed Buchner today, and slated Pyne as the starting QB, ND should still win at least 8 games alone with the OL & Defense.
They wouldn’t blow people out, but just running the ball & playing great defense would beat 8-9 teams on ND’s schedule.

People who aren’t usually pro-ND are saying on shows that this is ND’s most talented roster top to bottom in two decades.
I’m surprised how down many ND fans are on this roster.
It’s better, even with Pyne, than 8 teams on the schedule.

Maybe it is more talented top to bottom, but I'd say the defenses and WR corp are similar. 2022 has a big advantage at TE. 2020 has a big advantage at QB and RB. And OL, 2020 has a big advantage over what we saw in 2021 but I understand the hype for 2022.

 

[Free Manera]

I am optimistic that the offensive line will be vastly improved with Hiestand and a healthy Fisher and I am also hoping that Styles and Colzie make leaps ahead with Chansi coaching them up. I think ND hits the over on wins (probably gets to 9).

However I totally understand the pessimism and it nags at me too. An injury to a starting WR or Mayer could make this team one dimensional, and you can't win like that anymore, no matter how dominant the run game is.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Wasn’t sure where to put this.

If those numbers were adjusted for regional differences in cost of living and graduation rates, we'd easily be ahead of BC and Duke, and it would wipe out most of Stanford's lead as well.

 

[NDFAN2008]

9-3 I see us going

 

[calvegas04]

9-3 I see us going

Just put me in a coma till next Sept

 

[notredomer23]

Side note but related to the USC comments. I think ND beats them pretty good because of their depth issues, but that win should look pretty dang good on paper if ND goes into that game 10-1. I struggle to find anyone on their schedule outside of UCLA and Utah that will give them much of a game this year. Fresno State is probably tougher than the rest of the Pac teams on their schedule this year outside those two.

 

[calvegas04]

Side note but related to the USC comments. I think ND beats them pretty good because of their depth issues, but that win should look pretty dang good on paper if ND goes into that game 10-1. I struggle to find anyone on their schedule outside of UCLA and Utah that will give them much of a game this year. Fresno State is probably tougher than the rest of the Pac teams on their schedule this year outside those two.

BYU, ASU, UTAH, UCLA and maybe one of Stanford, Oregon St should all put up a good fight.

 

[notredomer23]

BYU, ASU, UTAH, UCLA and maybe one of Stanford, Oregon St should all put up a good fight.

They replaced the BYU game with Rice. ASU is going to be horrendous this year and I don't see Stanford being better than last year. I admittedly don't know much about Oregon State.

 

[calvegas04]

They replaced the BYU game with Rice. ASU is going to be horrendous this year and I don't see Stanford being better than last year. I admittedly don't know much about Oregon State.

They have BYU on their official team page for Nov 27th

 

[notredomer23]

They have BYU on their official team page for Nov 27th

I think you're looking at 2021

 

[calvegas04]

I think you're looking at 2021

You are right, what a joke of a schedule... they avoid Oregon and Washington (not that they are any good( two years in a row

 

[Luckylucci]

If this team is 9-3, I'll be disappointed. 8-4 would have me raising serious questions.

This should be an elite defense. Good coaches will find ways to win games behind an elite defense, even if it's ugly. I think we have good coaches.

My guess is 10-2. While I think we should field an elite defense, OSU's elite offense is too much to handle. And, I think Buch's growing pains bite us in another game.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

If this team is 9-3, I'll be disappointed. 8-4 would have me raising serious questions.

This should be an elite defense. Good coaches will find ways to win games behind an elite defense, even if it's ugly. I think we have good coaches.

My guess is 10-2. While I think we should field an elite defense, OSU's elite offense is too much to handle. And, I think Buch's growing pains bite us in another game.

This is where I'm at. My gut is telling me 9-3, but either way way over the 6 wins by PFF (absolute joke) and Vegas' 8.5 (last I checked).

I think the offense will have some early growing pains but will get better throughout the year, and we can ride the defense until they start clicking later in the szn to get us to 9 or 10.

Absolutely terrified of our STs. Our kicking game was an absolute joke in the Spring. That will likely cost us a game at some point.

 

[allenm5333]

9-3. Young coach + young QB+ young WRs...we will be peaking as the season progresses and I want $ down for next year's title

 

[arahop]

If ND can’t beat a team they are way better than at every position, at a neutral site, then maybe Marcus isn’t the guy?
ND should win that game by double-digits.

South Florida, Tulsa , Navy in 2010 all say 👋

 

[Reaper97]

South Florida, Tulsa , Navy in 2010 all say 👋

LOL
ND in 2010 coming off of 15 years of mediocrity and a complete overhaul is NOTHING like a top 5 program ND in 2022.
Nice try…but fail.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

LOL
ND in 2010 coming off of 15 years of mediocrity and a complete overhaul is NOTHING like a top 5 program ND in 2022.
Nice try…but fail.

 

[irishff1014]

I took the under 8.5 wins on draftkings

- I think TB12 is going to be Brandon Wimbush 2017 good, but get injured
-The offense is going to stink. Missing Price for the year really hurt the running game as I think Diggs will likely disappoint at the level we are expecting and Tyree ain't built to be a lead back. Plus we're putting a lot of expectations in an OL that wasn't that great last year. Maybe Fisher is the key to a turn around. But I don't see teams having to respect the passing game, so 8+ man boxes is going to make our OL look worse than maybe it actually is
- Receiving game is going to be bad once Mayer gets triple teamed
- Defense is going to be real good, offense just won't score enough points in four games
-With that said, we still have a lot more talent than 8 of the teams on the schedule
- Ohio State, BYU, Clemson, USC are my projected losses

You haven’t even seen what Stuckey was able to correct or show them new.

I think everyone has some worry about the QB position.

And the O-line I am not worried about.

 

[arrowryan]

I think 9-3 is the floor. The 2022 team’s strengths will be the OL play and the defense. That has been their recipe for success.

I think Styles is going to be really good this year. To the point where teams won’t be able to double team Mayer without getting punished by Styles. Once Merriweather gets up to speed, they’ll be cooking.