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With specificity, please, which are the

"terrible causes" into which he dumps money?.

And in a Barabbas contest between Viktor Orban and George Soros, who is your Barabbas?

For my own part I would be nonplussed if I learned that the American CIA has an assassination hit list of the following:

Recip Yayyip Erdogan
Mohammad bin Salman
Vladimir Putin.

Yep, I'd be okay with that.

Well this was easy lol. https://gazette.com/opinion/column-...cle_21672cf8-4485-11eb-be39-e7482dd0a96b.html

And this was a rather narrow example.

In a Barabbas contest.... I'll take the goofy President guy 10/10 times
 

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This police state thing, this very thread, is a sword with two blades.

This is from Wikipedia on THIS ne'er do well that George Soros supported

George Gascon

George Gascon

Cuban born Army vet, former cop who worked for Bratton,
George Gascon was born on March 12, 1954 in pre-communist Cuba. Shortly after the communist revolution in Cuba, his father lost his job for alleged anti-government activity, and his uncle, a union organizer, was jailed for over a decade.[SUP][3][/SUP] In 1967, Gascón and his family immigrated from Cuba to the United States.
The family settled in Bell, California, a suburb of Los Angeles.[SUP][4][/SUP] At the age of thirteen, Gascón enrolled in Los Angeles Unified School District schools where he struggled to learn English. He recalled: "I was spending hours translating everything with a Spanish-English dictionary. I started missing a lot of school."[SUP][5][/SUP] By 1972, he dropped out of Bell High School.[SUP][5][6][/SUP]
Gascón joined the United States Army in 1972. In the army, he earned his high school diploma and two years toward an undergraduate degree.[SUP][6][/SUP] Gascón served in the 64th Military Police Detachment, much of it in Germany.[SUP][6][/SUP] In 1975, he received an honorable discharge as a sergeant.[SUP][6][/SUP] After the Army, Gascón completed a Bachelor of Arts in history from California State-Long Beach while working sales jobs.[SUP][6][/SUP]

Los Angeles Police Department[edit]

In 1978, Gascón joined the Los Angeles Police Department as a patrol officer.[SUP][6][/SUP] After a three-year stint with the LAPD, he returned to work in business management.[SUP][6][/SUP] He served as a reserve officer in the Hollenbeck Division of LAPD until 1987.[SUP][6][/SUP] In 1987, he returned to LAPD as a full-time police officer.[SUP][7][/SUP] Upon his return, he rose through the ranks of LAPD as a Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Commander, and Deputy Chief in 2002.[SUP][8][/SUP] During his time with LAPD, Gascón earned his J.D. degree from Western State College of Law in 1996.
Training Commander after Rampart scandal[edit]
In 2000, he took command of the LAPD training unit at the height of the Rampart scandal.[SUP][6][/SUP] He was in command of the LAPD training unit, overseeing the LAPD Academy and in-service training, during the federal government's oversight of police reforms. Even though there was a mandate for reform, then-Police Chief Bernard Parks did not allocate funding for additional training.[SUP][9][/SUP] Gascón used a grant that had originally been funded to research community-policing strategies, and produced three hundred thousand additional training hours.[SUP][9][/SUP]
One of his first orders as training commander was to create an ethics training manual for the LAPD.[SUP][9][/SUP] He also implemented problem-based learning and posted a copy of the bill of rights in every LAPD classroom. Michael Gennaco, the former head of the United States Justice Department's civil rights division said at the time: "He fundamentally changed the way the LAPD teaches its officers about civil rights."[SUP][6][/SUP]
In 2002, Gascón applied to be the Los Angeles Police Department Chief of Police. He wanted to partner with community agencies to reduce California's prisoner-recidivism rate.[SUP][9][/SUP] William Bratton was ultimately appointed Chief of Police.
Assistant Chief of Police[edit]
In 2003, he was sworn in as Assistant Chief of the Los Angeles Police Department under Chief William Bratton.[SUP][8][10][/SUP] In 2004, Gascón oversaw the daily operations of the department.[SUP][6][/SUP] William Bratton credited Gascón with helping reduce the rate of violent crime in Los Angeles at that time.[SUP][2][/SUP]

Mesa Chief of Police[edit]

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In 2006, Gascón was hired as Chief of Police for the Mesa Police Department.[SUP][11][/SUP] Gascón had frequent clashes with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio over immigration sweeps allegedly targeting Latinos. Arpaio regularly conducted saturation patrols and immigration sweeps, targeting Latino neighborhoods and day laborers. Arpaio allegedly stopped cars with Latino drivers or passengers to check their immigration status.[SUP][2][12][/SUP] Gascón condemned the policies and tactics of Arpaio and his deputies, and actively worked to protect the Latino community in Mesa.[SUP][2][/SUP]
Gascón served as chief of the Mesa, Arizona police department from 2006 to 2009.[SUP][13][/SUP]


IS William Bratton a credible source?
 

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See, Bull connor showed the way

FIREHOSES and German Shepherds

There is a former MP in the family. That was his suggestion as to how to disperse the trucking convoy

He said he'd do it with Michael Parks shades and Bull connor hat.
 

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What do you guy think of the Patrick Lyoya shooting?
Some of these shootings really piss me off. Castile case is a good example of that… in the current climate where everyone is supposedly such a target I find it harder to get emotional over anyone running from, fighting with and struggling over any weapon with a police officer. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Some of these shootings really piss me off. Castile case is a good example of that… in the current climate where everyone is supposedly such a target I find it harder to get emotional over anyone running from, fighting with and struggling over any weapon with a police officer. 🤷‍♂️
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It shouldn't be so hard to understand that you shouldn't be struggling with a police officer with a weapon. As far as Lyoya, he supposedly had wrestled the taser away from the officer, he was asked several times to drop it. It should not be hard to follow simple instructions, much less should someone be struggling with an officer for two minutes to begin with. I honestly don't know that much about the encounter as I'm just reading about it, and sadly you have to wade through a lot of media fluff before you get the facts. There's a lot of publications that stoke public dissent, talking about how Lyoya was "trying to clean up his life" and his family all says "he was the best, he would do anything for them." Then you read about the three outstanding arrest warrants and the domestic abuse cases, DUIs and thrice suspended license and he was back on the road in a vehicle with switched tags. Was he really trying to clean up, or are they just playing on emotions?

I understand that a man is dead and a family is grieving, but clearly this man was not making the right choices in his life and he should not be martyred as a hero as many are painting him. I think it's unfortunate that the officer fired his gun the way he did, but he shouldn't have been put in that position to begin with. When you're faced with the prospect of a man struggling with a police officer and has seized your weapon already, and he's three times the legal BAC level, you're dealing with someone that isn't thinking clearly. Your life is clearly threatened. Lyoya was doing nothing to show he was willing to de-escalate the situation, quite the opposite. The result is a tragedy, and I feel for the family, but that's about as far as my sympathy goes.
 

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What do you guy think of the Patrick Lyoya shooting?
Don't put yourself in a position where you have to deal with the law.

This comment is from an article I read.
Lyoya’s attorneys argue Schurr’s use of force was excessive and say that he repeatedly failed to deescalate the situation.

I see this comment when these incidents happen, but those criticizing, rarely tells us how they would deescalate the situation. The officer was already on top of him because Lyoya wasn't cooperating and Lyoya was determined not to stay there. How should you deescalate? Let him up? More than likely he's going to run or jump back in his vehicle and create a chase which could put others in harms way.

What do you think ST?
 

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Don't put yourself in a position where you have to deal with the law.

This comment is from an article I read.

I see this comment when these incidents happen, but those criticizing, rarely tells us how they would deescalate the situation. The officer was already on top of him because Lyoya wasn't cooperating and Lyoya was determined not to stay there. How should you deescalate? Let him up? More than likely he's going to run or jump back in his vehicle and create a chase which could put others in harms way.

What do you think ST?
I pretty much agree with the sentiment on here. His family, attorney and protestors are using emotion instead of facts and reason.
 

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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It shouldn't be so hard to understand that you shouldn't be struggling with a police officer with a weapon. As far as Lyoya, he supposedly had wrestled the taser away from the officer, he was asked several times to drop it. It should not be hard to follow simple instructions, much less should someone be struggling with an officer for two minutes to begin with. I honestly don't know that much about the encounter as I'm just reading about it, and sadly you have to wade through a lot of media fluff before you get the facts. There's a lot of publications that stoke public dissent, talking about how Lyoya was "trying to clean up his life" and his family all says "he was the best, he would do anything for them." Then you read about the three outstanding arrest warrants and the domestic abuse cases, DUIs and thrice suspended license and he was back on the road in a vehicle with switched tags. Was he really trying to clean up, or are they just playing on emotions?

I understand that a man is dead and a family is grieving, but clearly this man was not making the right choices in his life and he should not be martyred as a hero as many are painting him. I think it's unfortunate that the officer fired his gun the way he did, but he shouldn't have been put in that position to begin with. When you're faced with the prospect of a man struggling with a police officer and has seized your weapon already, and he's three times the legal BAC level, you're dealing with someone that isn't thinking clearly. Your life is clearly threatened. Lyoya was doing nothing to show he was willing to de-escalate the situation, quite the opposite. The result is a tragedy, and I feel for the family, but that's about as far as my sympathy goes.
The officer is being charged with second degree murder.
 

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The officer is being charged with second degree murder.
You couldn't pay me enough to be an officer today. Maybe in a quiet little small town I'd do it, but these days it seems like most are against you and the media won't do you any favors.
 

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You couldn't pay me enough to be an officer today. Maybe in a quiet little small town I'd do it, but these days it seems like most are against you and the media won't do you any favors.
It's pretty ridiculous from the video, but maybe there is more to it that the public doesn't know about.... or maybe the filing DA has some BLM hardon... who knows.
 

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You couldn't pay me enough to be an officer today. Maybe in a quiet little small town I'd do it, but these days it seems like most are against you and the media won't do you any favors.
I hear you. Police are quitting all the time and pretty much every force in the larger cities are trying to fill upwards of a couple hundred positions. Take physical action and you have the media and DA coming after you. Give up on the arrest and let the violator go you face disciplinary action from your superiors.
 

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I will post the article later when I have access to a computer but The agency I work for had an officer shot and killed but a felon with multiple warrants.
 

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Just heard on the radio that NYC had 1,500 officers retire or resign in the last year and applicants are down. I know Indy isn't getting the applicants they would like.
 

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Just heard on the radio that NYC had 1,500 officers retire or resign in the last year and applicants are down. I know Indy isn't getting the applicants they would like.
Things are going to get worse before they get better. As long as cops continue to get little to no support publicly you'll see fewer police numbers and more brazen criminals. It's already having an effect on the safety of NYC.

Overall index crime increased by 36.5% in March 2022, compared to the same period a year ago (9,873 v. 7,232) – a total driven by a 59.4% increase in grand larceny auto (1,044 v. 655), a 48.4% increase in robbery (1,267 v. 854), and a 40.5% increase in grand larceny (4,078 v. v. 2,902). Citywide burglaries also increased by 40% (1,326 v. 947) in March 2022 compared to last year.

Citywide shooting incidents increased by 16.2% (115 v. 99) in March 2022 compared with the same period last year. The NYPD remains focused on eradicating gun violence and delivering just, effective policing. Officers made 410 gun arrests in March 2022, driving the 1,207 arrests for illegal firearms in the first quarter of 2022. This is the highest number of quarterly gun arrests since early 2021, when 1,385 such arrests were made.
 

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Another piece of shit that was on the streets that should have been. But again this happened in that shit hole called Baltimore and their liberals ass judges and court systems.
 

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I can speak on the issue of police recruiting and retention of senior officers.

The SP ran a test recently and changed it to a decentralized test taken over a staggered number of days to increase the ease of signing up/accessibility. The results were approximately 12,000 people took the test (typically upwards of 25,000 take it - 33,000 when I did 20 yrs ago). The issue isn’t even the amount signing up, although that’s quite an alarming trend, it’s the type of candidate that is being recruited. They focused on mostly inner city areas and neglected the state universities and community colleges. Neglected high schools and job fairs in rural counties….. The issue is DIVERSITY matters more than anything. The planners are so busy patting themselves on the back for increasing the diversity of the test takers that they didn’t realize only a very small number of those can get through the background check. It’s very difficult to qualify for the job with the physical standards, education standards, psychological exam, polygraph exam, thorough background check, drug testing, not to mention restrictions on visible tattoos, and of course the overwhelming media narrative of every officer being irredeemable racists that are power hungry bullies.

The bail reform in NY and progressive AG/Legislature and nearly impossible Discovery requirements make policing very difficult and nearly every officer feels completely unsupported. The further away from all the peaceful protests we get, the more decent people realize how much the far left overplayed their hand/narrative. I was witness to so much reprehensible treatment of law enforcement officer during these peaceful protests. Until you’ve been spit on, had rocks thrown at you or been threatened by crowds to kill you and your family - it’s hard to take your opinion seriously. I’m not saying there wasn’t reason to be upset, but the sensationalizing of it was awful.

All of this led to a mass exodus from my agency. Now the same people that tried to literally defund us are dumping money at the problem. The bloodletting is insane. My academy graduated 206 twenty years ago and 86 have left the job (most from service retirements). That is the earliest one without prior state service or military “buy back” can leave with a pension. This was never the case before recently. You would expect 25 or so to be gone under more normal circumstances. The amount of training and investment to get new officers takes a while. It will take several years running an academy at full throttle to even come close to catching up. We’re not even keeping up now.

This is with our agency offering one of the highest salaries in the country for police. It all adds up to a lot of problems in staffing police agencies. This doesn’t even speak to urban police (which has had it worse) as they make less and deal with even more political headaches. I spoke with a captain yesterday from a small city department and they can’t even get people to take the job that are on their civil service list. The state legislature is now looking at monetary ways to retain senior officers. It will likely be very lucrative for those who stay, but even with that prospect many are still leaving.

In my coaching and social circles I’ve had many approach me about becoming an officer. Of the most recent 10-12 that I’ve had in depth discussions with, only 2-3 are still seriously considering it.

Sorry for the rambling, but I see this stuff and felt the need to get some information out there.
 

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Great info IrishTrooper and as disappointing as it is to read, it doesn‘t surprise me in the least. I’ve heard similar feedback from a handful of police officers I know in my area and it’s pretty politically conservative here so I know it’s a LOT worse in other areas. Lots of takeaways in what you wrote, I just wish there was a way where this kind of information could be relayed to the masses so that more outside pressure would be put on the “decision makers”. Forcing diversity at all costs and lax bail/punishment standards will never be the balanced approach we need.
 

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Our neighbor is a policeman here in Indy. We worry about him all the time. He and I have had several conversations about the job and the unnecessary pressures they face all the time. Being in law enforcement is a thankless job at the moment. Stay safe.
 

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2 more cops dead because of the worthless democratic DA's.

It's a very low percentage that bad guys quit being bad guys.
 

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2 more cops dead because of the worthless democratic DA's.

It's a very low percentage that bad guys quit being bad guys.
I just don't get why voters accept this. I'm ready to invest in jails. Lots of jails.
 
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