Russia Invades Ukraine

[IrishLax]

I think Ukraine will see less success on its eastern flank. There has been prolonged fighting there for years, very different than what happened in the north where Russia was making an undersupplied incursion.

 

[Rogue219]

Satellite images show civilian deaths in Ukraine town while it was in Russian hands

Satellite images taken weeks ago of the town of Bucha in Ukraine show bodies of civilians on a street, a private U.S. company said, undercutting the Russian government's claims that Ukrainian forces caused the deaths or that the scene was staged.

www.reuters.com

 

[Rogue219]

Charging Putin for potential war crimes is difficult, and any penalty hard to enforce

Neither Russia nor its president is likely to face an international tribunal — but that's not the only approach to war crimes, experts say.

www.npr.org

 

[PerthDomer]

I think Ukraine will see less success on its eastern flank. There has been prolonged fighting there for years, very different than what happened in the north where Russia was making an undersupplied incursion.

We held back on supplying weapons to reduce the likelihood of spurring a war. Occupied Donetsk/Luhansk would be tough, but other occupied areas are possible. NATO is sending tanks/artillery now.

 

[Irish#1]

Biden is supposed to implement additional sanctions, but wouldn't say what they are.

The U.S. also plans to send additional military equipment to Ukrainian forces with its most recent package, including laser-guided rocket systems, unmanned aerial systems and armored high-mobility vehicles, he said.

Biden said the United States will keep gathering information to support war crime charges against Putin. He said the U.S. is also working on additional sanctions and will keep supplying weapons to Ukraine.

EU also looking at possible war crimes. Anyone have an idea on what the threshold is?

 

[calvegas04]

US finalized a deal to send Poland some M1A2 tanks, Would think this would allow for Poland to be able to send some of their older soviet tanks to Ukraine

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Lincoln Project's latest "ad" is out...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

EU also looking at possible war crimes. Anyone have an idea on what the threshold is?

"War crimes" means a trial at the Hague, and you're not dragging Putin to Brussels in handcuffs without regime change in Moscow, which has never happened before to the head of a nuclear-armed state. So don't count on it. He's far more likely to get assassinated by one of his own than to face international justice.

 

[Rogue219]

What the actual fudge?

 

[PerthDomer]

"War crimes" means a trial at the Hague, and you're not dragging Putin to Brussels in handcuffs without regime change in Moscow, which has never happened before to the head of a nuclear-armed state. So don't count on it. He's far more likely to get assassinated by one of his own than to face international justice.

It does mean they can't leave Russia ever without looking over their shoulders. If they ever want to go out of country on vacation again they'll be looking over their shoulders for CIA types.

 

[Irish#1]

"War crimes" means a trial at the Hague, and you're not dragging Putin to Brussels in handcuffs without regime change in Moscow, which has never happened before to the head of a nuclear-armed state. So don't count on it. He's far more likely to get assassinated by one of his own than to face international justice.

I get that. I meant are there written standards, guidelines (or whatever the correct term is) that have to be met where the UN (I assume) would meet to vote? I assume there is some type of legal document that spells this out?

 

[Irish#1]

What the actual fudge?

Dumb ass probably doesn't realize that the Russians probably put them there to keep the Ukraines from zipping down the street in pursuit of them.

 

[GATTACA!]

What the actual fudge?

Maybe don’t invade another country and you don’t have to worry about propaganda making you look like even bigger monsters?

 

[Rogue219]

Dumb ass probably doesn't realize that the Russians probably put them there to keep the Ukraines from zipping down the street in pursuit of them.

Distortion and misinformation are just the new normal now.

It seems incredibly odd to me that there are people, in this country, going out of their way to suggest that what Russia is doing is myth and fabrication. I've never been much for conspiracy theories, but it feels like more often than not an issue gets spun into one lately.

 

[PerthDomer]

Lapid explicitly accuses Russia of war crimes, a first for a top Israeli official

Earlier, PM Bennett expressed shock over atrocities but did not name Moscow; US says Bucha was a 'deliberate campaign to kill, to torture, to rape'

www.timesofisrael.com

Looks like Israel is moving off the fence. Mossad has been pretty good at assassinating war criminals...

 

[NDRock]

Distortion and misinformation are just the new normal now.

It seems incredibly odd to me that there are people, in this country, going out of their way to suggest that what Russia is doing is myth and fabrication. I've never been much for conspiracy theories, but it feels like more often than not an issue gets spun into one lately.

There is a certain portion of the population whose worldview won't allow them to believe in the mainstream narrative. I work with a couple of these types and it's pretty interesting. I personally have the worldview that most people (even those in power) are kinda fuckups and incapable of playing 3D chess in every scenario. I'm sure I'm often wrong with this line of thinking.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I get that. I meant are there written standards, guidelines (or whatever the correct term is) that have to be met where the UN (I assume) would meet to vote? I assume there is some type of legal document that spells this out?

A starting point for your inquiry.

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

www.un.org

crimes’ means:

1. Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
   1. Wilful killing
   2. Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;
   3. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
   4. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
   5. Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;
   6. Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;
   7. Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;
   8. Taking of hostages.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Gruesome. Why are humans like this?

 

[PerthDomer]

I think Ukraine will see less success on its eastern flank. There has been prolonged fighting there for years, very different than what happened in the north where Russia was making an undersupplied incursion.

I mean Ukraine knew they couldn't afford to escalate the conflict there without pulling Russia in. They now have basically unlimited arms shipments from us and the morale advantage.

Their biggest advantage is probably the guy running the show in Russia. Putin is going to assault them with maximalist aims (encircle the ukranian forces/win quick). The Ukranians are likely going to defend and counter punch like they did in Kyiv and make a large counter offensive on either the northern/southern flank.

 

[Irish#1]

A starting point for your inquiry.

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

www.un.org

Thanks

 

[Rogue219]

Israeli FM condemns "war crimes" in Ukraine

Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid condemned on Tuesday Russia's "war crimes" in Ukraine, intensifying Israel's criticism of Russia since the fighting in Ukraine started.

www.reuters.com

So Israel got off the fence?

 

[Irish#1]

What the actual fudge?

I noticed she has her profile restricted. Wants to voice her opinion without any kickback.

 

[PerthDomer]

Israeli FM condemns "war crimes" in Ukraine

Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid condemned on Tuesday Russia's "war crimes" in Ukraine, intensifying Israel's criticism of Russia since the fighting in Ukraine started.

www.reuters.com

So Israel got off the fence?

It'll be interesting to see if Russia can keep Assad propped up as this keeps going. Grain shortages likely leads to unrest and Russia won't have mercenaries/money to spare. Israel was largely on the fence due to Russia's influence and ability to make life bad for them.

 

[Irish#1]

This was written by our Aerospace division manager for our company newsletter. Provides a little glimpse on the behind the scenes impact to Russian air travel.

The Future of the Russian Aircraft MRO Market, Post Ukraine​

David Allen

Russian aviation veered towards isolation on Wednesday as Boeing and Airbus halted the supply of components and analysts predicted carriers may strip parked planes for parts or be tempted to explore alternative sources to continue flying.
Flagship Aeroflot and other carriers faced the Western crackdown as the effects of sanctions over Russia's invasion of Ukraine ripple across the global aviation sector.

The United States said late on Tuesday that it would follow the European Union and Canada in banning Russian flights in a move that is likely to trigger Russian retaliation.

Boeing said it had "suspended major operations" in Russia, where it also has research and engineering centers.

Airbus said it is halting the supply of parts and services to Russian airlines but is also analyzing whether its Moscow engineering center could continue providing services to local customers. It did not say what kind of work this might involve.

The bans come just as major powers discuss reviving a deal that lifted similar sanctions against Iran, until Washington withdrew in 2018.
Sanctions against Russia, which calls its actions in Ukraine a "special operation", will have greater consequences than those on Iran or North Korea, given the size of its market.

Russia accounted for 6% of airline capacity in 2021, according to consultants IBA.

Its airlines have a total of 332 Boeing and 304 Airbus jets, or about two-thirds of Russia's fleet, Cirium Fleets data shows.

How quickly those are starved of parts will depend on how many critical items airlines hold.

Planes owned by Russian airlines can be flown domestically while they have sufficient parts in stock, but carriers may have trouble getting jets serviced in the shrinking areas of the world still accepting Russian planes, maintenance experts said.

ALTERNATIVE SUPPLIES

Depending on the length of the crisis, some experts predict airlines may seek alternatives. Chinese parts are already used in some markets on older planes not serving the West, while Iran perfected a system of under-the-table supplies over decades.

However, using unofficial parts would put valuable jets in a grey zone and make them difficult to finance once the war ends. That is something industry experts say Russia's international carriers, with a young average fleet, would battle to avoid.

Maintenance agreements are also at risk.

Aeroflot last year signed a long-term agreement with Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering Company (HAECO), which did not respond to a request for comment.

Lufthansa Technik said it had stopped serving Russian customers involving hundreds of planes.

Russian difficulties in sourcing spare parts could affect international airlines that still fly to Russia and sometimes require replacement parts at the destination.

Russian airlines will also be barred from taking new Western jets. They have 62 planes on order with Airbus or Boeing.

 

[Irish#1]

Japan is calling for the ICC to look into possible war crimes by Putin and Russia. If this gains any momentum, a number of his generals and other military personnel will also be tried, much like Hitler and his cronies.

 

[Irish#1]

CNN

Ukraine says its anti-air defense shot down three cruise missiles near the southeastern city of Zaporizhzhia on Wednesday night as the Russian military shifts its focus to the east of the country. A CNN team in the city heard what sounded like an aircraft and one loud explosion around 11 p.m. local time. It comes as the civilian evacuation of Zaporizhzhia has been stepped up after Russian forces occupied a nearby nuclear power plant last week.

NBC

The summit comes as the United Nations General Assembly is expected to vote Thursday on whether to suspend Russia from the U.N. Human Rights Council, an outcome the United States has pushed for.

In a joint statement following NATO discussions in Brussels on Thursday, the G7 said: “We will continue to promote accountability for all those complicit in Moscow’s war of choice, including the Lukashenka regime in Belarus.”

The G7 foreign ministers said those responsible for “heinous” atrocities in Ukraine will be “held accountable and prosecuted” as it called for Russia to be removed from the U.N. Human Rights Council.

 

[Rogue219]

There is a certain portion of the population whose worldview won't allow them to believe in the mainstream narrative. I work with a couple of these types and it's pretty interesting. I personally have the worldview that most people (even those in power) are kinda fuckups and incapable of playing 3D chess in every scenario. I'm sure I'm often wrong with this line of thinking.

I'm totally with you. Whatever levels of power and amounts of money a person may have, they are still human beings in the end.

It's interesting how the competence of leadership is questioned in one sentence and the same person then comes up with some sort of cunning conspiracy theory in the next sentence. Like, that guy has dementia and can't walk while he chews gum, but he's moving and shaking behind the scenes in a secret cabal with China and Hollywood stealing our freedoms.

I've found it best to mostly let everyone else marinate in their own juices. My time and patience are too short.

 

[Rogue219]

 

[Whiskeyjack]

There is a certain portion of the population whose worldview won't allow them to believe in the mainstream narrative. I work with a couple of these types and it's pretty interesting. I personally have the worldview that most people (even those in power) are kinda fuckups and incapable of playing 3D chess in every scenario. I'm sure I'm often wrong with this line of thinking.

That's the key to avoiding conspiracy theories. One should almost always be skeptical of the "mainstream narrative", not because we are ruled by hyper-competent technocrats deftly pulling the strings behind the scenes to bring about some New World Order, but because very few journalists have the security and courage required to report objectively these days:

The two sides of the culture war may believe that they are simultaneously waging a class war, but where anti-elite rhetoric is employed, it is done in such distorted or qualified ways so as to blunt any real threat to the material basis of elite power. For instance, the Left will rail against the rich but switch in the same breath to disparaging “whiteness,” placing working-class whites in the same class as white billionaires, thereby diffusing whatever sympathy might be forthcoming from the former and preventing the formation of a redistributionist majority coalition. The entire panoply of “woke” progressive jargon seems almost purpose-built to create this off-putting effect, often even among the very groups that progressives wish to defend.

The Right may be counted on to be even more consistently skewed in its anti-elitism, since its commentators almost always tend to portray elites as a primarily cultural rather than economic category (lest they be forced to reckon with the problems of free market capitalism). This tactic allows them to turn their fire on the “new class” of academics, activists, and mid-level managers at HR, while sparing the plutocrats from too much scrutiny of their profit-making, especially those who support Republicans or affect conservative values. They might heartily denounce hedge funds and corporations for adopting woke PR, but will generally say little about their actual economic activities and incentives, which are treated as afterthoughts.

 

[Irish#1]

[QUOTTE]

Japan bans Russian coal imports in new sanctions​

Chantal Da Silva, Arata Yamamoto and Reuters
4m ago / 8:17 AM EDT
Japan has announced five new sanctions against Moscow, including a phased ban on coal imports from Russia.

Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida announced the sanctions in a news conference on Friday. He said Japan would immediately search for alternative energy sources.

“Russia has repeatedly violated international humanitarian law by killing civilians and attacking nuclear power plants," Kishida said, according to Reuters. "These are unforgivable war crimes."

The new sanctions also include a ban on importing certain Russian goods and freeze the assets of top state-owned lender Sberbank.

Japan earlier announced it was expelling eight diplomats and trade representatives over Russia's actions in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]