Russia Invades Ukraine

[Cackalacky2.0]

I can't tell if this is serious? Is this serious? You think Biden is leading the charge here?

Who else is leading the charge and organizing the back room political actions necessary to get Germany to agree to SWIFT and Turkey to block Russian access to the Black Sea all the while keeping China in abstention. I’d say the US by far along with France and less so UK.

Macron appears to be doing a lot to pressure the European NATO nations to get in line on sanctions and I’d bet he is doing his influence at the behest of the US. The UK seems to be doing the bare minimum as alawsys. The US wants SWIFT access cut off and it appears Germany is moving that way probably with assurances their energy issues can be mediated.

Ultimately everyone is looking for us to lead if not just for the nuclear weapons as a deterrent to Putin and then from the global political power to apply pressure where needed. The fact we haven’t fired a shot and managed to supply Ukraine with intel , weapons and such is definitely all Biden.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Videos of Russian convoys out of fuel and food stranded. Supply line issues day 2? Rumors of a air bombing campaign in the capital.

We need a NFZ and it’s over for Russia

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

. Gotta think this is a big fuck you to Putin.

 

[ab2cmiller]

. Gotta think this is a big fuck you to Putin.

From a lot of tweet responses, this doesn’t appear to be confirmed.

 

[DCDomer]

Got to respect Zelensky. Dude became their president for totally superficial reasons and showing some serious stones in the face of possible death.

 

[MacIrish75]

This account has been a good follow with accurate reporting of the events as they unfold. An English-speaking news source based in Kyiv.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Videos of Russian convoys out of fuel and food stranded. Supply line issues day 2? Rumors of a air bombing campaign in the capital.

We need a NFZ and it’s over for Russia

Now a counter attack is needed. NFZ isn't happening, unfortunately.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

😂

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

😂

Anonymous is actually doing a lot right now. This is terribly interesting

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Putin’s Invasion Could Be a Strategic Opportunity

There are two ways Washington could exploit this window.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Germany the last one I think.

 

[Johannes]

Anonymous is actually doing a lot right now. This is terribly interesting

Western hacking groups don't get consequence free opportunities like this very often. It's open season on .ru domains.

That said, it comes with potential costs. Indiscriminately knocking down Russian systems may interfere with our government's activities on their networks.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

unsure of this guys credentials and why is he providing this but it aligns with what we all thought that Russia military power is only a thin veneer and they were relying on Ukraine to give up within a few days.

If true and after a few weeks Russia supply lines dry up and they can only produce guns and ammo on the quick then a long protracted ground war isn’t sustainable.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Not sure if serious but if so I agree.

Ok, I'm obviously missing something here. What has Biden done to impress you in this? Maybe I'm too dense to see it.

Is it now that he "released info" ahead of Putin's move so he notified the world and put Putin in the spotlight? I've seen more and more articles attributing this as a great strategy.

Or is the sanctions? That were commensurate with every other sanction that has been levied?

I don't believe we are leading the charge on SWIFT revocation, are we?

I'm open to being persuaded here so genuinely curious.

What I see is social media coming to the aid of Ukraine, all countries have mounting pressure to denounce this and they're falling in line rapidly before they fall out of favor with their own people.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Western hacking groups don't get consequence free opportunities like this very often. It's open season on .ru domains.

That said, it comes with potential costs. Indiscriminately knocking down Russian systems may interfere with our government's activities on their networks.

Indeed, and there will be no coordination with anonymous. presumably we have counter-cyber terrorism teams doing their best to work around the friendly fire. It’s 3d chess In cyberspace.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

. Seems Germany is falling in line on several issues.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Who else is leading the charge and organizing the back room political actions necessary to get Germany to agree to SWIFT and Turkey to block Russian access to the Black Sea all the while keeping China in abstention. I’d say the US by far along with France and less so UK.

Macron appears to be doing a lot to pressure the European NATO nations to get in line on sanctions and I’d bet he is doing his influence at the behest of the US. The UK seems to be doing the bare minimum as alawsys. The US wants SWIFT access cut off and it appears Germany is moving that way probably with assurances their energy issues can be mediated.

Ultimately everyone is looking for us to lead if not just for the nuclear weapons as a deterrent to Putin and then from the global political power to apply pressure where needed. The fact we haven’t fired a shot and managed to supply Ukraine with intel , weapons and such is definitely all Biden.

I don't necessarily agree this is "all Biden" but thanks for the answer to my question. I mistakenly typed it out before seeing this response.

I thought you said going after SWIFT status was the nuclear option of the financial world. As if to say, we shouldn't consider it right? I thought there was justification for us not pushing for this. Did I misread your intention? Because it seems the world is beginning to agree.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Ok, I'm obviously missing something here. What has Biden done to impress you in this? Maybe I'm too dense to see it.

Is it now that he "released info" ahead of Putin's move so he notified the world and put Putin in the spotlight? I've seen more and more articles attributing this as a great strategy.

Or is the sanctions? That were commensurate with every other sanction that has been levied?

I don't believe we are leading the charge on SWIFT revocation, are we?

I'm open to being persuaded here so genuinely curious.

What I see is social media coming to the aid of Ukraine, all countries have mounting pressure to denounce this and they're falling in line rapidly before they fall out of favor with their own people.

If I have learned anything on this site is that I am incapable of convincing anyone of anything. I do think that if one critically looks at our position in the world and that the best and brightest are advising our current president with how best to handle this situation without provoking Russia and involving our allies in the eastern front…. You can’t possibly think Biden is an inept moron and doing nothing.

But for posterities sake it seems to me that yes his releasing of intel on the daily provided real time information to decision makers across the world what was going on. I think this was epic level shit to box Putin in and take away his propaganda regarding intent. Our country is very busy in NATO and in the UN and is providing arms and intel to UA aiding them in identifying Russia positions and military intents. Through the sanctions the roubele will be worthless in a few days and yes the USA wants Russia cut off from SWIFT. This is a non military tactical nuke IMO. Germany is the last domino to fall here and when they do I think it will be a big deal at hurting Russia without firing a shot.
If…. Russia fails here…Whatever you think this will be a political masterpiece and everyone should take a bow. But it could go to shit and Russia succeeds in which it will another missed opportunity to properly put a scum bag out of commission

Putin took Crimea in 2014 and I think we didn’t do enough then. He didn’t do anything under Trump but let’s not forget that trump convinced the GOP to remove a pro Ukrainian stance form their platform and what Impeachment #1 was about…. Trump denying Ukraine military aid in exchange for political dirt from Zelensky… the man wearing armor and standing up to Putin.

 

[tussin]

Videos of Russian convoys out of fuel and food stranded. Supply line issues day 2? Rumors of a air bombing campaign in the capital.

We need a NFZ and it’s over for Russia

My critique of Biden admin is that it may be too little too late. Biden says that he’s had intel on the extent of the invasion for months but his admin effectively did nothing to deter.

Outsized military aid to Ukraine, a first round of severe sanctions, and a NFZ should have been under way weeks ago, not after the fact.

All in all I see this war as the culmination of 20+ bipartisan years of failed deference.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

My critique of Biden admin is that it may be too little too late. Biden says that he’s had intel on the extent of the invasion for months but his admin effectively did nothing to deter.

Outsized military aid to Ukraine, a first round of severe sanctions, and a NFZ should have been under way weeks ago, not after the fact.

All in all I see this war as the culmination of 20+ bipartisan years of failed deference.

Maybe this required a coordinated effort and other Allies were slow to react as usual and we the American public aren’t fully aware of all that happened in closed doors leading up to this. Has Europe ever done anything quickly and decisively? I agree it was slow but I don’t think it was fully our fault as we couldn’t go alone into this. This is a European conflict locally and we needed Europe on our side and they need our global political gravitas

 

[DCDomer]

Not sure what to think

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

If I have learned anything on this site is that I am incapable of convincing anyone of anything. I do think that if one critically looks at our position in the world and that the best and brightest are advising our current president with how best to handle this situation without provoking Russia and involving our allies in the eastern front…. You can’t possibly think Biden is an inept moron and doing nothing.

But for posterities sake it seems to me that yes his releasing of intel on the daily provided real time information to decision makers across the world what was going on. I think this was epic level shit to box Putin in and take away his propaganda regarding intent. Our country is very busy in NATO and in the UN and is providing arms and intel to UA aiding them in identifying Russia positions and military intents. Through the sanctions the roubele will be worthless in a few days and yes the USA wants Russia cut off from SWIFT. This is a non military tactical nuke IMO. Germany is the last domino to fall here and when they do I think it will be a big deal at hurting Russia without firing a shot.
If…. Russia fails here…Whatever you think this will be a political masterpiece and everyone should take a bow.

Putin took Crimea in 2014 and I think we didn’t do enough then. He didn’t do anything under Trump but let’s not forget that trump convinced the GOP to remove a pro Ukrainian stance form their platform and what Impeachment #1 was about…. Trump denying Ukraine military aid in exchange for political dirt from Zelensky… the man wearing armor and standing up to Putin.

Not sure how you can think he isn’t. He has butchered the country in a years time, afghanistan was a disaster as have been just about every one of his domestic policy decisions…but to stay on topic about this event particularly…too little too late. The sanctions are the eqivalent of putting out a full on house fire with a water pistol.

Releasing intel is not “epic”, it is the tactical move in the situation equivalent to removing civilians from a war zone first, military last…anybody with half a brain would have done it. The problem with the position Biden is in now is that making the correct call would requiring admission of mistake in previous policy decisions. The man literally stood in front of the world and said that the sanctions that will take 30 days or more to make any impact are just as powerful as the russian tanks and missiles which are killing ukrainian people as we we speak.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Not sure what to think

Exactly. Certainly expect Russian propaganda. But it’s certainly reasonable to expect the Ukraine to do whatever it takes to keep morale up in the country.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Not sure what to think

I think it’s classic “Enemy at the Gates” style propaganda on both sides. I’d be surprised in the Ghost of Kyiv isn’t that as well.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Not sure how you can think he isn’t. He has butchered the country in a years time, afghanistan was a disaster as have been just about every one of his domestic policy decisions…but to stay on topic about this event particularly…too little too late. The sanctions are the eqivalent of putting out a full on house fire with a water pistol.

Releasing intel is not “epic”, it is the tactical move in the situation equivalent to removing civilians from a war zone first, military last…anybody with half a brain would have done it. The problem with the position Biden is in now is that making the correct call would requiring admission of mistake in previous policy decisions. The man literally stood in front of the world and said that the sanctions that will take 30 days or more to make any impact are just as powerful as the russian tanks and missiles which are killing ukrainian people as we we speak.

As I said I’m not out to convince anyone of anything. These are just my thoughts as I see them. I don’t know what decisions have to made for this type of conflict and I’m glad I’m not making them.

I disagree with your assessment that Biden could unilaterally tell Ukraniannpeople to leave when no country was onboard to take refugees and when Ukrainians are clearly needed to fight city block to city block as we see.Maybe he said what he said easy to put public pressure on Europe to act with them? Maybe it took that long for them to realize and act. They are always so fast with these types of things Maybe he was advised in a manner you or I don’t have the full facts in. Additionally, as I said in another post, if Europe was slow to react then we couldn’t very well act on our own. We were already providing ammo and artillery to them. We have beefed up our presence in the bordering NATO countries and I do believe the epic level intel dumps allowed people all over the world to foment a negative attitude against the imoensding actions. I do believe that was an important move and send a signal that we know what you are doing whoever you are….China…cough cough. That’s just me though.

 

[Henges24]

Not sure what to think

This just brought so many American movie producers to their knees

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

. When you lose Orban things aren’t going the way you expect them to

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Holy shit. This real?

 

[notredomer23]

Holy shit. This real?

I’m pretty sure she had to flee during the Belarusian protests a couple years back so I don’t think it’s too impactful at least in the immediate.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Holy shit. This real?

Hard to know what to believe at this point with anonymous running around. But if stories like this (true or not) are aimed to bolster the Ukrainian morale and or gain more support, then let it roll.

It seems that doors are closing for Putin and it has to be reaching the people of Russian no matter how they try to keep the propaganda from their country.

I’d be willing to bet that he doesn’t have as much support from his own country as what’s being reported. Those people respond out of fear.