Superconferences & Realignment

[Luckylucci]

I've hated conference realignment for a while. I love the regional storylines and rivalries that come with it. But, I realize that opinion gets put in the old man "get off my lawn" group these days.

If this is moving us closer to disbanding the NCAA then I'm all for it. But, I do think it's interesting timing for OU and UT. I mean, with the new playoff system, I would think they'd want to easier path to the playoff every year and auto bid. I mean, does UT really think they're going to immediately compete in a better conference than the one they haven't been average in.

 

[mango4]

I've hated conference realignment for a while. I love the regional storylines and rivalries that come with it. But, I realize that opinion gets put in the old man "get off my lawn" group these days.

If this is moving us closer to disbanding the NCAA then I'm all for it. But, I do think it's interesting timing for OU and UT. I mean, with the new playoff system, I would think they'd want to easier path to the playoff every year and auto bid. I mean, does UT really think they're going to immediately compete in a better conference than the one they haven't been average in.

I think a lot of this has to do with the Supreme Court's ruling on the NCAA. I think you'll see these super conferences form and then all of them break away from the NCAA. Once that happens, they go back to being regional again.

 

[BobbyMac]

The B1G version of the Superconference is

West:
Wiscy
Minn
Iowa
Illinois
Northwestern
Purdue
Texas
KU
MO
Neb / ISU --- They don't "want" ISU but it would solve the Nebraska losing it's AAU membership and having no desire to gain readmission.

East:
OSU
MI
MSU
IU
PSU
Rut
MD
UVa
UNC
Vandy --- Duke / Pitt also available

 

[Irish#1]

Yep. Here we go

https://twitter.com/M_Vernon/status/1418591461411495943

If they join the B1G, they'll still be competitive in BB, but winning the conference won't be an automatic anymore.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Have I missed something? Do people really think UNC or Virginia will leave the ACC or Vandy will leave the SEC?

 

[Blazers46]

Does the Big12 count as a Power 5 anymore or will they just call it the Power 4 now?

 

[edgesofsanity]

The Big Ten might want to try to scoop up Kansas to expand their western footprint and add a basketball power. Then add North Carolina or Virginia to expand their east coast footprint and to add another basketball power

Virginia and UNC have both signed their media rights to the ACC/ESPN until 2035. The Big10 expires in 2024. I'd be shocked if they can pry out a team from the ACC (and that includes us as we signed on for the same in our nonfootball sports)

 

[texbender]

Virginia and UNC have both signed their media rights to the ACC/ESPN until 2035. The Big10 expires in 2024. I'd be shocked if they can pry out a team from the ACC (and that includes us as we signed on for the same in our nonfootball sports)

There's probably always a price you may have to pay for breaking an agreement, so leaving is always on the table. UT and OU obviously have decided their $30M exit fee is worth it to join the elite conference where that money will be quickly realized. After TAMU joined the SEC, the SEC powers pounced on the access to Texas high school recruits. Big losers will be Baylor, TCU, and TTech...and not sure their other options are that great. And would a pissed off TAMU consider bailing from SEC?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

A&Ms freak out is popcorn theater.

 

[Irishize]

Missouri maybe but Arkansas carries a lot of water in sports not named football at the moment.

Great baseball & track program. Basketball looks to be on the rise but that all combined pales in comparison to what having a strong football program in a densely populated footprint brings to the table. They don’t even have a direct rival despite conjuring up silly trophies w/ LSU. They have a long way to go to be viable in football and that’s what carries the water big picture.

 

[calvegas04]

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[Irishbounty28]

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This is crazy IMO. I cannot imagine what this will do to DIV 1 football in the end. The SEC already controls a large portion of the market, including those that head the NCAA. If this happens they will hold the keys to the future. Additionally, it absolutely sickens me all of these decisions are made with power and money in mind, with no loyalty to the fanbases that have followed institutions for years.

 

[Sea Turtle]

This is crazy IMO. I cannot imagine what this will do to DIV 1 football in the end. The SEC already controls a large portion of the market, including those that head the NCAA. If this happens they will hold the keys to the future. Additionally, it absolutely sickens me all of these decisions are made with power and money in mind, with no loyalty to the fanbases that have followed institutions for years.

It would separate college football from minor league football. I like the idea of ND just forming their own league eventually.

 

[BobbyMac]

Have I missed something? Do people really think UNC or Virginia will leave the ACC or Vandy will leave the SEC?

Does anyone think Maryland would really leave the ACC?

-Cack 2012

 

[Boss607]

I think you’d be INSANE to want Notre Dame to join the Big10.

When I say Big10 what do you think of? You probably think of Ohio State and Michigan. They’re the Texas and Oklahoma of that league.

You know who no thinks of right away? Penn State. Nebraska. I often forget Nebraska is even in that league these days. Just a number in a crowd.

Joining that league would be pure poison for Notre Dame’s brand. In the ACC, at least, Notre Dame would still be a brand. A presence.

In the Big10, ND just reverts to another number in the regional crowd.

No thank you!

 

[Luckylucci]

I think you’d be INSANE to want Notre Dame to join the Big10.

When I say Big10 what do you think of? You probably think of Ohio State and Michigan. They’re the Texas and Oklahoma of that league.

You know who no thinks of right away? Penn State. Nebraska. I often forget Nebraska is even in that league these days. Just a number in a crowd.

Joining that league would be pure poison for Notre Dame’s brand. In the ACC, at least, Notre Dame would still be a brand. A presence.

In the Big10, ND just reverts to another number in the regional crowd.

No thank you!

Welcome to IE!

 

[BobbyMac]

I think you’d be INSANE to want Notre Dame to join the Big10.

When I say Big10 what do you think of? You probably think of Ohio State and Michigan. They’re the Texas and Oklahoma of that league.

You know who no thinks of right away? Penn State. Nebraska. I often forget Nebraska is even in that league these days. Just a number in a crowd.

Joining that league would be pure poison for Notre Dame’s brand. In the ACC, at least, Notre Dame would still be a brand. A presence.

In the Big10, ND just reverts to another number in the regional crowd.

No thank you!

Welcome Boss!

I think you'll find this is a very anti-B1G site. You'll have the stray heretic spout off from time to time but they're quickly reminded of Mr. Yost's actions and the world is set back on track.

If ND joined the B1G, within 20 years ND's a bland mash up of Northwestern & DePaul.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Frick the Big 10-
SEC (crazy I know) or the ACC if forced to join. Hell the Pac would be a better option.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Does anyone think Maryland would really leave the ACC?

-Cack 2012

Maryland left because it had to. Not sure any team in the ACC is in the financial position Maryland was when it left and the BigTeleven came with a bailout. But I guess if anything, money talks.

 

[BobbyMac]

Maryland left because it had to. Not sure any team in the ACC is in the financial position Maryland was when it left and the BigTeleven came with a bailout. But I guess if anything, money talks.

That and don't forget the Eggheads. There are important people at UVa and UNC that identify more with AAU contemporaries Michigan, Wiscy and UofI than NC St, Lewuhlvul & the incoming hordes from Cincy & WV.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is crazy IMO. I cannot imagine what this will do to DIV 1 football in the end. The SEC already controls a large portion of the market, including those that head the NCAA. If this happens they will hold the keys to the future. Additionally, it absolutely sickens me all of these decisions are made with power and money in mind, with no loyalty to the fanbases that have followed institutions for years.

If true, looks like we're headed toward a divorce between the semi-pro and Ivy League models much sooner than expected. Would arguably be better for ND than any of the likely alternatives, as we'd be the de facto leader of the latter.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think you’d be INSANE to want Notre Dame to join the Big10.

When I say Big10 what do you think of? You probably think of Ohio State and Michigan. They’re the Texas and Oklahoma of that league.

You know who no thinks of right away? Penn State. Nebraska. I often forget Nebraska is even in that league these days. Just a number in a crowd.

Joining that league would be pure poison for Notre Dame’s brand. In the ACC, at least, Notre Dame would still be a brand. A presence.

In the Big10, ND just reverts to another number in the regional crowd.

No thank you!

Great first post! The only argument for ND joining the B1G is geographic proximity, which hasn't moved the needle much since Yost's bigotry forced us on the road in the 20s. Everything else- brand, size, educational philosophy, history, etc.- militates strongly against it.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

If true, looks like we're headed toward a divorce between the semi-pro and Ivy League models much sooner than expected. Would arguably be better for ND than any of the likely alternatives, as we'd be the de facto leader of the latter.

I have reached a place where I now hope this exact thing happens.

 

[AlaskanIrish]

If true, looks like we're headed toward a divorce between the semi-pro and Ivy League models much sooner than expected. Would arguably be better for ND than any of the likely alternatives, as we'd be the de facto leader of the latter.

But does that simply leave us out of the NC picture in the long run? I went to Penn and I remember what those games looked like in Franklin Field. Didn’t even open the upper deck. Would this not destroy ND as a national player?

 

[BobbyMac]

But does that simply leave us out of the NC picture in the long run? I went to Penn and I remember what those games looked like in Franklin Field. Didn’t even open the upper deck. Would this not destroy ND as a national player?

It wouldn't end well.

We'll just slide into the fur coat wearing Yalie types of the 50's and our big game vs Stanford draws 42,000 in SB. 4200 in Palo Alto as only ND fans in the Bay area and Tahoe attend the game.

 

[AlaskanIrish]

It wouldn't end well.

We'll just slide into the fur coat wearing Yalie types of the 50's and our big game vs Stanford draws 42,000 in SB. 4200 in Palo Alto as only ND fans in the Bay area and Tahoe attend the game.

I agree Bobby. It’s frankly scary. I’m no expert, but it seems a very real possibility.

 

[Irish#1]

If true, looks like we're headed toward a divorce between the semi-pro and Ivy League models much sooner than expected. Would arguably be better for ND than any of the likely alternatives, as we'd be the de facto leader of the latter.

Go from a football power with an academic reputation and recognized brand to the big fish in a wading pool? No thanks. It will only take a year or two when you will hear people say, “Remember when Notre Dame………”

 

[BobbyMac]

I agree Bobby. It’s frankly scary. I’m no expert, but it seems a very real possibility.

With NIL putting the paying players onto the players themselves, I think the other 79 schools that break away from the NCAA will understand they're better off if ND's part of their portfolio. Then they just have to figure out how to play SC every year.

 

[T-Boone]

If you take the soon to be 70 year old Saban out of the SEC is it really all that powerful to be able to manipulate so much?

 

[317Irish]

If you take the soon to be 70 year old Saban out of the SEC is it really all that powerful to be able to manipulate so much?

The short answer is yes. The longer answer- Saban will be a replaced by a guy that will likely win more than one NC in a 5-8 year span. The SEC holds 4-6 of the top ten recruiting rankings each year. Saban leaving will just open the door for Georgia, Florida, LSU, etc. to step up and compete with a new but similar Alabama. This is putting aside an SEC that could include Oklahoma and others very soon.
Or maybe you were being facetious, idk. Either way the SEC looks to only be growing in powers regardless of Saban, not just because of Saban (not to discount what he has contributed).