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Dumbest of Times, Dumbest of Nations.
 
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Trait Expectations said:
lol, this is becoming pure comedy.

"Watch this and you'll be shocked"

"There's a mountain of evidence"

"Just look at the quoted scientific studies"

107 pages to show referenced studies seems a little ridiculous right? This is not very scientific. The studies should be easily discoverable and indexed in a very basic way so anyone can find them and look them up.
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Not just that, but the source was literally a quack anti-vax organization trying to push ivermectin.

You mean to tell me the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development Group isn't reputable????
 
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I tried getting a key to stick to my forehead and a spoon to stick to my ass for two hours yesterday. Nothing.

I guess I'm not fully vaxxed.
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
15 minutes is nothing, they don't even get going until the 28 minute mark.

Concrete evidence? What about the 1,200 employees at a hospital that were offered Ivermectin and then studied for 10 weeks? 789 chose to take it, the rest did not. Of the 789, zero tested positive for COVID over those 10 weeks, and 58% of those who chose not to tested positive. This is an undeniable signal of efficacy, and it's just one of many examples on the preventative side outlined in this discussion (many more of the treatment side).

If this is "nothing" along with the other population health studies showing the same thing, you have to question your bias or critical thinking on the subject.
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I see you dodged my post. Maybe you can reply to this one. Please post a link to a peer reviewed double blind placebo study. Not some "concrete" evidence from a hospital in Argentina. If there was no legit study done then its not concrete. Well it might be concrete but it would fail the slump test immensely.
 
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I see you dodged my post. Maybe you can reply to this one. Please post a link to a peer reviewed double blind placebo study. Not some "concrete" evidence from a hospital in Argentina. If there was no legit study done then its not concrete. Well it might be concrete but it would fail the slump test immensely.
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The absence of a peer reviewed, "gold standard", double blind study does not mean we know nothing - you realize those take time, coordination, funding, and most importantly.... time. We were in a pandemic and a number of hospitals/regions/doctors got in on Ivermectin and the results they all found are the same: 100% safe, immediate improvement if already had COVID, and incredible strong preventative properties.

Everyone else is waiting on the gigantic, pharmaceutically funded "gold standard" and in the meantime, 100's of thousands have and will continue to die by avoiding talking about Ivermectin in regards to preventing and treating COVID.
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
The absence of a peer reviewed, "gold standard", double blind study does not mean we know nothing - you realize those take time, coordination, funding, and most importantly.... time. We were in a pandemic and a number of hospitals/regions/doctors got in on Ivermectin and the results they all found are the same: 100% safe, immediate improvement if already had COVID, and incredible strong preventative properties.

Everyone else is waiting on the gigantic, pharmaceutically funded "gold standard" and in the meantime, 100's of thousands have and will continue to die by avoiding talking about Ivermectin in regards to preventing and treating COVID.
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Ivermectin was brought to you by the same evil Big Pharma that you just criticized. As horrible as folks claim the US healthcare is, it was the US & evil Big Pharma that brought us vaccinations in record time that were & have been proven both safe & effective. Yes, there are side effects but there are always side effects if you want good effects. The key is: do the benefits outweigh the risks? They have proven to do just that in regards to the vaccines.

Ivermectin is safe so I don’t have a problem w/ folks using it off-label. Especially in third world countries. You still have to have the trial(s) for final confirmation. Everything else is anecdotal evidence. It was the same w/ Plaquenil. But at the end of the day, you have to have double blind, placebo studies that are peer reviewed to get a consensus. It’s frustrating but it’s also necessary.
 
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Irishize said:
Ivermectin was brought to you by the same evil Big Pharma that you just criticized. As horrible as folks claim the US healthcare is, it was the US & evil Big Pharma that brought us vaccinations in record time that were & have been proven both safe & effective. Yes, there are side effects but there are always side effects if you want good effects. The key is: do the benefits outweigh the risks? They have proven to do just that in regards to the vaccines.

Ivermectin is safe so I don’t have a problem w/ folks using it off-label. Especially in third world countries. You still have to have the trial(s) for final confirmation. Everything else is anecdotal evidence. It was the same w/ Plaquenil. But at the end of the day, you have to have double blind, placebo studies that are peer reviewed to get a consensus. It’s frustrating but it’s also necessary.
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The venn of people pushing ivermectin and antivaxxers is a flat circle.
 
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Irishize said:
Ivermectin was brought to you by the same evil Big Pharma that you just criticized. As horrible as folks claim the US healthcare is, it was the US & evil Big Pharma that brought us vaccinations in record time that were & have been proven both safe & effective. Yes, there are side effects but there are always side effects if you want good effects. The key is: do the benefits outweigh the risks? They have proven to do just that in regards to the vaccines.

Ivermectin is safe so I don’t have a problem w/ folks using it off-label. Especially in third world countries. You still have to have the trial(s) for final confirmation. Everything else is anecdotal evidence. It was the same w/ Plaquenil. But at the end of the day, you have to have double blind, placebo studies that are peer reviewed to get a consensus. It’s frustrating but it’s also necessary.
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Big Pharma is not outright horrible across the board. Things are nuanced, even in this day and age when people want everything to be crystal clear, short answers only.

Ivermectin was a benefit to big pharma until it went off patent. It now has no financial value, hence the push for a "new" antiviral medication that's in the hopper that we can only hope to be as safe and effective as Ivermectin. This is one of those cases big pharma in collusion with the government is not doing the right thing and it should blow up in their faces. But clearly the effort to suppress this from being widely known is in full force and apparently quite effective thus far.

We'll see if they can keep the secret alive.
 
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These idiots were out in full force on Saturday, too, as you'd might expect. The lies and propoganda were flying just about immediately when Eriksen had gone down.

It's that easy to make up bullshit and have it spread over social media.
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
Big Pharma is not outright horrible across the board. Things are nuanced, even in this day and age when people want everything to be crystal clear, short answers only.

Ivermectin was a benefit to big pharma until it went off patent. It now has no financial value, hence the push for a "new" antiviral medication that's in the hopper that we can only hope to be as safe and effective as Ivermectin. This is one of those cases big pharma in collusion with the government is not doing the right thing and it should blow up in their faces. But clearly the effort to suppress this from being widely known is in full force and apparently quite effective thus far.

We'll see if they can keep the secret alive.
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Don't forget the media. They need their cut. lol
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
Big Pharma is not outright horrible across the board. Things are nuanced, even in this day and age when people want everything to be crystal clear, short answers only.

Ivermectin was a benefit to big pharma until it went off patent. It now has no financial value, hence the push for a "new" antiviral medication that's in the hopper that we can only hope to be as safe and effective as Ivermectin. This is one of those cases big pharma in collusion with the government is not doing the right thing and it should blow up in their faces. But clearly the effort to suppress this from being widely known is in full force and apparently quite effective thus far.

We'll see if they can keep the secret alive.
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We have an RCT showing Ivermectin doesnt work. We have an RCT showing steroids do. Steroids are all off patent protection and cheap as dirt.
 
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PerthDomer said:
We have an RCT showing Ivermectin doesnt work. We have an RCT showing steroids do. Steroids are all off patent protection and cheap as dirt.
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But steroids won't fill the wallets of Big Pharma.
 
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NorthDakota said:
Nile or Mississippi?
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Ignoring your poor effort at a joke.

The Delta is 40% more contagious and is proving to cause worse symptoms than the Alpha virus. The good news is that the vaccines are showing strong efficacy rates against it. If people continue to refuse to get vaccinated, local and regional outbreaks could occur, causing more death and more economic turmoil. It's something to monitor as its likely to become the dominant strain at some point in time.
 
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Ignoring your poor effort at a joke.

The Delta is 40% more contagious and is proving to cause worse symptoms than the Alpha virus. The good news is that the vaccines are showing strong efficacy rates against it. If people continue to refuse to get vaccinated, local and regional outbreaks could occur, causing more death and more economic turmoil. It's something to monitor as its likely to become the dominant strain at some point in time.
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What is alpha? Which is what now?
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
(Disclaimer: I'm not a big fan of the WHO) The Greek lettering system is the new method of classification of variants by the WHO. The Alpha variant (aka the UK strain) was one of the first variants detected. The Indian variant is the Delta.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae...-how-do-alpha-beta-and-delta-differ-1.1236702
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ahhhhhh. Wish they just kept the other system in place. Easier for me to remember based on where they find these things. Oh well. I got my shots.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
(Disclaimer: I'm not a big fan of the WHO) The Greek lettering system is the new method of classification of variants by the WHO. The Alpha variant (aka the UK strain) was one of the first variants detected. The Indian variant is the Delta.
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Who doesn't like the WHO. Keith Moon, Roger Daltry. We won't get fooled again!

I'll show myself out.
 
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Trait Expectations said:
All the antivaxxers will be tested on their commitment to the philosophy; maybe not by the delta variant but eventually
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Do you not expect those who've had COVID and let their immune system strengthen naturally like it's supposed to do, do well against the variant? I do. That's one of the reasons the spiked protein in the vaccine is a red flag. If I were worried I'd just take Ivermectin anyway.
 
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That's one of the reasons the spiked protein in the vaccine is a red flag.
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Do you not expect those who've had COVID and let their immune system strengthen naturally like it's supposed to do, do well against the variant? I do. That's one of the reasons the spiked protein in the vaccine is a red flag. If I were worried I'd just take Ivermectin anyway.
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I can't quite understand your biological claims. I have a background in biochemistry so I'm happy to engage in serious discussion. I think those who are choosing to not vaccinate are putting themselves in a disadvantaged position as we move forward in time.

Natural immunity is great as long as it isn't accompanied with any of the well-documented long term issues that's been correlated with COVID-19.

Tell me more about this spiked protein? What is it? Why is it a concern to you? What test was performed that showed this spike and what does it signify?

Do you already have a family supply of Ivermectin? Where did you purchase this? Are you confident it hasn't been cut with other agents? Have you laid out the dosing for you and/or your family? Confident you'll have a steady supply? Are you confident enough in your scientific understanding that you can live with the consequences should something go awry?
 
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