2020-2021 Notre Dame’s Men’s Basketball

[stpeteirish]

Not surprising to see us collapse. Its not like it hasn't happened before. This team just crumbles when anyone who is any good makes a run at them. No on court leadership, just Hubb who is not as good as he thinks he is. Or as good as Brey thinks he is as there is just no plan B when Hubb sucks.

 

[irishandy]

I am lost for words after watching today's game. Something needs to change for ND's basketball program.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Catching up on the board, haven't been on much since the changes.

The meltdown on Saturday was one of the lowest points, if not the lowest, in Brey's career. We finally got the sense that he is turning this team around heading into ACC Tourney time, similarly to last year, and you have a 20 point lead and blow it.

This Junior class is his highest rated recruiting class in his career (to my knowledge; at the very least I know it's way up there) and simply put he results have been extremely lackluster with a pretty talented group. Throw in the recent recruiting woes since then, I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that it's time to move on from Brey.

No doubt his tenure is greatly appreciated and he did great things for this program but since his back to back Elite 8, it's been one of the worst programs in the ACC.

 

[Luckylucci]

On paper, I'm really excited about the prospects of this roster minus Durham plus Yale GS, Wertz, Wesley, and JR. However, I'm really not interested in Brey coaching them. Would the roster and new additions stick if we moved on to a new coach? That would be ideal but if that's not an option then it becomes how much roster TO is acceptable while moving on to a new coach? And, who is that new coach? If they went out and got a really good coach and kept it altogether, I could get really excited about next years team. Like ACC contender excited. That's how good I think that group of talent can be.

 

[BilboBaggins]

On paper, I'm really excited about the prospects of this roster minus Durham plus Yale GS, Wertz, Wesley, and JR. However, I'm really not interested in Brey coaching them. Would the roster and new additions stick if we moved on to a new coach? That would be ideal but if that's not an option then it becomes how much roster TO is acceptable while moving on to a new coach? And, who is that new coach? If they went out and got a really good coach and kept it altogether, I could get really excited about next years team. Like ACC contender excited. That's how good I think that group of talent can be.

I don't think Ohio State regrets moving on from Thad Matta. Notre Dame shouldn't hesitate to move on from Mike Brey. Roster turnover is temporary pain.

 

[Woneone]

The most frustrating aspect of this team is where it should be, compared to where it seems to be going.

1.) Don't get up a 17 point lead to GT
2.) Don't give up a 17 point lead to Syracuse
3.) Don't get beat on a last second shot vs UNC
4.) "Maybe" close out OSU at home.

If you do those top 3 (which I believe are all Quad 1), We're probably on the right side of the bubble right now, or really close, and the feel of the season is completely different.

But, as I've mentioned multiple times, you will not be a really good team if Goodwin and Hubb are continuously leading your team in shots taken. I noticed people like Tom Noie didn't tweet out Hubbs fingerprints on the last 9 minutes like he did Duke. Looking at the play by play, I see 3 missed shots, 2 turnovers. No points or assists. Since his freshman year, I've said his shot mechanics will not allow him to be a consistent shooter. Goodwin isn't athletic enough to get his own shot. He's similar to Vasturia in that regard. The problem is that he can't play off others like Steve did.

Nate getting 7 shots (lowest among starters) against a team playing a 2-3 zone where we straight ran over them in the first half by dumping it to the paint is an absolute joke. Or, we have players that just don't understand how to play team basketball, or perhaps don't want to realize the type of players they actually are.

 

[Woneone]

I ask this question in all seriousness, is there a single team in the ACC that would trade their starting guards for ours? Probably Wake Forest (actually I'm pretty sure of it).

Other than that?

Edit: And Carlik Jones is guarding Laz. That's embarrassing. That's a player not knowing how to play at 6'10, and coaches not knowing how to teach him.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

I ask this question in all seriousness, is there a single team in the ACC that would trade their starting guards for ours? Probably Wake Forest (actually I'm pretty sure of it).

Other than that?

Edit: And Carlik Jones is guarding Laz. That's embarrassing. That's a player not knowing how to play at 6'10, and coaches not knowing how to teach him.

In all seriousness we suck.

Next year is gonna be our oldest team ever. Will be intersting to see if brey will still be here but his contract is through 2025 so I don’t see jack getting rid of him next year I just don’t see it as much as all of us want it to happen. If he can’t get this team to be in the tourney next year then it will be a colossal disappointment

 

[Irish#1]

As long as Brey is here, it's going to be wash, rinse and repeat. BBall isn't demanding like the FB program, so I don't expect a coaching change until Brey decides he's done.

 

[RDU Irish]

I am really happy I was busy and couldn't watch the game last night. Brey has got to go.

 

[stpeteirish]

I am really happy I was busy and couldn't watch the game last night. Brey has got to go.

And he won't. And Jack won't make him, which really pisses me off. If you read the interview 247 did with Jack a few days ago there's no doubt where he's coming from. Jack is treating MBB like he would Lacrosse or Soccer; giving the coach a ton of rope. He needs to treat it more like FB.

So unless Brey pulls a Muffet and decides its over we are stuck with him. I don't see that happening. He wants to coach this year's Jrs as Srs as if he's suddenly going to make an impact.

Last night was another example of Brey's failure to match wits with opposing coaches. They put a small, quick man on Laz and his solution was...to bench Laz. JFC.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

And he won't. And Jack won't make him, which really pisses me off. If you read the interview 247 did with Jack a few days ago there's no doubt where he's coming from. Jack is treating MBB like he would Lacrosse or Soccer; giving the coach a ton of rope. He needs to treat it more like FB.

So unless Brey pulls a Muffet and decides its over we are stuck with him. I don't see that happening. He wants to coach this year's Jrs as Srs as if he's suddenly going to make an impact.

Last night was another example of Brey's failure to match wits with opposing coaches. They put a small, quick man on Laz and his solution was...to bench Laz. JFC.

How many coaches has Jack fired? Baseball?

 

[irishandy]

Brey needs to go out and get more players like Hansbrough, Grant, Connaughton, Colson, Farrell. This junior class is very overrated.

 

[Woneone]

I'm out. Watching them play BC is just pathetic. We have 6 fouls to their 1. And it's legit. We are lazy on defense, and would rather shoot a transition 3 than actually force the defense to move.

Brey has lost his way. I'd love for our "media" to ask him - What is our identity? On offense? On defense? As a team? Who are we trying to be? Because we suck on defense, our offense is, at best, touch and go, and the effort some of these guys give possession to possession is abhorent.

I'm done. Turned it off.

 

[tko]

Absolutely atrocious display of basketball.

 

[stpeteirish]

I hope that peacock of an AD is watching. Wake the F up jack

 

[NDGOLDEN]

I’ve always advocated for brey to stay. This is a new low. Extreme low. Embarrassing low. With this veteran team you can’t lose to a 3-13 team who was missing 3 starters and fired their coach recently. Fing joke.

Bye brey

 

[Luckylucci]

Yea, he gone.

no way you can keep him around right now. Hopefully they can keep the team together.

 

[Woneone]

If Brey leaves....

I'm guessing you see Laz playing at Wisconsin or Marquette next year. 6'10 guy that can shoot but has apparently received no coaching outside of "FLARE" is an interesting piece.

Goodwin will be here. There isn't a horizontal move for him to make. Everything would be mid-major.

Hubb would be interesting. He really played well (for the most part) down the stretch yesterday, other than apparently losing the ability to play defense. Remember when we had a closed door scrimmage with UC and everyone there talked about how much of a pest he was going to be on defense? Good times.

I hope Wertz and Ryan stay. They could be pieces, but aren't as invested in the program.

I *think* you'll see a huge amount of turnover next year all around the country. If I'm a new coach that comes in, I may have a long, hard conversation with Carmody. Use any available scholarships on incoming transfers, and there well a large amount of them available.

It's just shocking to see the lack of development in the last 3 years.

 

[Irishize]

These last few seasons, every time they would show a glimmer of hope with a winning streak &/or a win over a better team; they followed it up by driving the bus back into the ditch. I think it’s in the best interest of everyone involved that the program make a change. On paper, next season looks like an NCAA tournament team with one of the most experienced rosters in the ACC returning. If Brey is HC, they’ll find a way to not make the tourney. Time to rip off the band-aid.

 

[IrishLax]

RUMOR: Mike Brey is out. ND is actively looking for a new coach behind the scenes.

 

[clashmore_mike]

RUMOR: Mike Brey is out. ND is actively looking for a new coach behind the scenes.

Wow. Would like to see the names on the wish list.

 

[Luckylucci]

Same here. Optimistic they can find a good coach that’ll be excited about this roster

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Is this a true rumor?

 

[IrishLax]

Is this a true rumor?

I can say with absolute certainty that ND is actively looking for a coach right now, and that people inside the athletic department say the plan is for him to retire at the end of the season. Allegedly, he was set to retire last year but had a change of heart after losing the season to COVID.

 

[clashmore_mike]

I can say with absolute certainty that ND is actively looking for a coach right now, and that people inside the athletic department say the plan is for him to retire at the end of the season. Allegedly, he was set to retire last year but had a change of heart after losing the season to COVID.

The whole "planned to retire but had a change of heart" thing never seems to pan out for anyone. It has to be nearly impossible to get yourself back all in after having a foot out the door, and that's the kind of feeling you get watching games this year.

 

[IrishLion]

I can say with absolute certainty that ND is actively looking for a coach right now, and that people inside the athletic department say the plan is for him to retire at the end of the season. Allegedly, he was set to retire last year but had a change of heart after losing the season to COVID.

The whole "planned to retire but had a change of heart" thing never seems to pan out for anyone. It has to be nearly impossible to get yourself back all in after having a foot out the door, and that's the kind of feeling you get watching games this year.

After flirting with retirement last year, it's been said that Brey's new timeline is seeing the current junior class finish their careers... that means giving him one more season after this one.

Worst case scenario is that JS doesn't like any of the available options and gives Brey his wish, then JS has to try and hire a new coach for the 2022-2023 season with a completely depleted roster. Maybe that would be attractive to a mid-major coach with a good resume that doesn't mind bringing in a bunch of short-term transfers while undertaking a more broad rebuilding project... but I don't know who such a coach would be lol

 

[BabyIrish]

I'd be good with Porter Moser Loyola Chicago.

 

[Irish#1]

The whole "planned to retire but had a change of heart" thing never seems to pan out for anyone. It has to be nearly impossible to get yourself back all in after having a foot out the door, and that's the kind of feeling you get watching games this year.

Agree. How do you regain that enthusiasm and maintain it through the grind?

 

[NDGOLDEN]

I can say with absolute certainty that ND is actively looking for a coach right now, and that people inside the athletic department say the plan is for him to retire at the end of the season. Allegedly, he was set to retire last year but had a change of heart after losing the season to COVID.

Well good and maybe a year too late but hopefully we get a coach that lights a fire on this team