2016 Presidential Horse Race

[GoIrish41]

So for months people argued against Trump saying that he's not even a real Republican, he's playing everyone for fools, blah blah. Now he comes out and supports some liberal viewpoints, that I would assume you agree with, and now he's just pandering? Which is it? Too bad he didn't pull a bottle of hot sauce out of his pocket like Hillary to try and pander to the black voters as well.

I'm not condemning him for pandering ... That's what politicians do. I'm saying that these are new positions for him. He didn't build his campaign around fair treatment for all. Quite the opposite I'd argue. You don't become a liberal ( which I have never accused him of being) because you have a one time mention of something progressive. Again, put some meat on the bones of these concepts and show us what your intentions are. Vague platitudes don't cut it.

 

[wizards8507]

I'm not condemning him for pandering ... That's what politicians do. I'm saying that these are new positions for him. He didn't build his campaign around fair treatment for all. Quite the opposite I'd argue. You don't become a liberal ( which I have never accused him of being) because you have a one time mention of something progressive. Again, put some meat on the bones of these concepts and show us what your intentions are. Vague platitudes don't cut it.

The irony is that Trump has been a liberal his ENTIRE life. It's his conservatism that's new and phony.

 

[IrishLax]

Hope rumors of Tim Kaine pick are true. Would be an excellent VP pick.

 

[GoIrish41]

The irony is that Trump has been a liberal his ENTIRE life. It's his conservatism that's new and phony.

Be that as it may, he is the Republican standard bearer. Truth be told, it's hard to determine what he is politically. I don't think he stands for anything but getting votes.

 

[GATTACA!]

Be that as it may, he is the Republican standard bearer. Truth be told, it's hard to determine what he is politically. I don't think he stands for anything but getting votes.

Replace he with she and you've got an equally true statement about Hillary.

This truly is an election between two flaming turds.

 

[GoIrish41]

Replace he with she and you've got an equally true statement about Hillary.

This truly is an election between two flaming turds.

Aaaaasand we agree.

 

[BGIF]

... Basically all I get is that Trump is full of shit and you know it, and Hillary is worse. For a million reasons I don't have time to get into, there is NOBODY worse than that fraud, Trump. As bad as Hillary is, he is still somehow worse. He's a fucking reckless clown.

"Trump .... Hillary is worse"

"There is NOBODY worse than ... Trump"

"he is still somehow worse"



Too much "worse". Too much rant.

Sorry that a jerk insulted YOU (obviously for the first time in your life from your carrying on). More sorry that your two year old son will be scarred indelibly for life as a result. Not from the jerk he never understood nor will remember but from your daily rants. Sad.

 

[phgreek]

Wikileaks Releases Nearly 20,000 Hacked DNC Emails

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Apparently they will be releasing a new batch every day until the DNC.

I didn't think this was possible, but DWS might actually be a more despicable human being than Hillary.

no way...that can't be possible...there can be only one.

DWS is just not very smart...her lies leave you laughing at her. She is most assuredly a moron. Her power ends at our borders. Pants Suit Lucifer is not stupid...just brazen after years of making her own rules, and she has global reach. I'd say they are both pretty much beyond redemption morally and ethically...but PSL can is clearly dangerous.

 

[BGIF]

Announced

Announced

Sen Tim Kaine, D, VA is Clinton VP pick.

 

[wizards8507]

#DNCleaks is huge. This is the Clinton people conspiring with Chuck Todd at NBC News.

 

[wizards8507]

Now Twitter is suppressing the hashtag. The Bernie people are frothing.

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[NorthDakota]

#DNCleaks is huge. This is the Clinton people conspiring with Chuck Todd at NBC News.

I wish they had waited until October for this.

 

[wizards8507]

I wish they had waited until October for this.

If she loses the base, she's fucked either way. If Bernie has any stones, he'll go full revolt at the convention.

 

[GATTACA!]

Now Twitter is suppressing the hashtag. The Bernie people are frothing.

Sent from my Galaxy Note4 using Tapatalk.

Rightfully.

How sweet would it be if Bernie pulled a Cruz at the DNC and rescinded his endorsement?

 

[wizards8507]

Lol the DNC admitting they attacked all of the Republicans except Trump because he'd be the easiest to beat.

 

[wizards8507]

Of there's any justice in the world, F. Chuck Todd's career is over.

 

[wizards8507]

CNN getting approval from the DNC before running a story.

 

[BGIF]

Rightfully.

How sweet would it be if Bernie pulled a Cruz at the DNC and rescinded his endorsement?

... and gave up his Democratic Party affiliation to become an independent?

 

[wizards8507]

... and gave up his Democratic Party affiliation to become an independent?

A five party race would be insane.

 

[woolybug25]

While I agree Sanders got a bum deal, what's the material difference between this and the orchestrated attempt from the right to stop Trump?

Other than the Dems actually accomplishing their goal, of course.

I wish the opposite would have panned out. The Dems giving Sanders a fair shake and the Repub's actually stopping Trump. But thems the brakes, I suppose.

 

[BGIF]

A five party race would be insane.

... with either Bernie or Trump winning with 30% of the vote and declaring a mandate!

"The voters have clearly spoken!"

 

[NDinL.A.]

"Trump .... Hillary is worse"

"There is NOBODY worse than ... Trump"

"he is still somehow worse"



Too much "worse". Too much rant.

Sorry that a jerk insulted YOU (obviously for the first time in your life from your carrying on). More sorry that your two year old son will be scarred indelibly for life as a result. Not from the jerk he never understood nor will remember but from your daily rants. Sad.

A. I was writing incredibly fast, so word usage wasn't on my mind. Be glad it wasn't worse.

B. If you think ONE bad experience with some asshole is why I hate Trump, then your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking, and even worse, your ability to identify a racist demagogue (putting it kindly) is embarrassing. But hey, have fun on your failing quest to "MakeAmericaWhiteAgain" BGIF. And btw, my son will be fine - unlike your boy Trump, hate will never fill his heart.

C. As long as that fraud Trump keeps pandering to people like you with "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!" speeches like the one he did last night, and with racist rants like the ones he's continued throughout this past year, and people like you keep defending him here, then yes, the rants will continue. In fact they will only get WORSE. So trigger the ignore button and come back with something stronger than that weak shit you did up above.

/end rant

 

[wizards8507]

While I agree Sanders got a bum deal, what's the material difference between this and the orchestrated attempt from the right to stop Trump?

Other than the Dems actually accomplishing their goal, of course.

I wish the opposite would have panned out. The Dems giving Sanders a fair shake and the Repub's actually stopping Trump. But thems the brakes, I suppose.

What orchestrated attempt to stop Trump?

This was the PARTY and fucking CNN / NBC News. Not the editorial section of National Review.

 

[NDinL.A.]

What words would you use to describe HRC? Truth is, we can't be sure one way or another what we could be getting with The Donald. We know 100% what we are getting with HRC....the single worst person in the world.

1. My words to use HRC would not be good. Can't stand her.

2. I know exactly what I'm going to get with HRC, and I can handle, my family can handle it, and I believe the country could handle it better than a Trump presidency, which would be an epic failure and a disaster, not just here but around the world. He's simply a moron when it comes to foreign policy and intricate domestic policy, with zero ambition to learn about those issues, other than foolishly thinking he could "make a deal". As a conservative, he offends me and scares the crap out of me, and as a human being, he offends me.

3. We disagree on your last statement. To me, Trump is worse. And the more I read up on him, the worse he gets. I get why you hate Hillary though, believe me. I've hated for a couple of decades. But sadly, Trump trumps her, for me anyway.

 

[kmoose]

LOL at the bolded. Every time I talk to a Trump supporter, the easiest and fastest way to get them to STFU is to ask them HOW Trump plans on doing all this nonsense he puts out. i would love for any Trump supporter on here to answer these simple questions:

I'm not voting for Trump, but I will respond.

I almost feel sorry for you. Your anger and rage are obviously all consuming. I would venture to say that it was those traits, and not any racism, that led to your alleged encounter with someone who you claim said racist things to you.

1. HOW will Trump defeat ISIS "quickly"? What's the plan?

He has said that he wants to cripple them by going after their money and sources of revenue. Beyond that, I would submit that it would NOT be a good idea for ANY potential Commander-in-Chief to lay out his battle plan for defeating any enemy. It's generally considered a bad idea to tell your enemy what is coming, where it is coming, and when it is coming.

2. HOW will Trump get Mexico to pay for building a wall? (notice for the first time he didn't say Mexico would build the wall last night? Maybe that moron has finally figured out that a 3rd world country will not pay for a 30 billion dollar wall).

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

Heaven forbid you do even a modicum of your own research....

3. HOW will Trump reduce the budget deficit? How can he do that when he has promised to add BIG-TIME to the military budget, give MUCH more to the veterans, boost Social Security and Medicaid, while not cutting entitlement spending at all (which takes up 2/3 of the budget) and cutting taxes across the board in a big way? His plan literally makes zero sense and would only add to the deficit. And if you don't believe me, here's an article from a conservative group:

Details and Analysis of Donald Trump’s Tax Plan | Tax Foundation

An article that admits:

According to our Taxes and Growth Model, the increased incentives to work and invest from this tax plan would increase the size of the economy by 11 percent over the long run. The plan would lead to 6.5 percent higher wages and a 29 percent larger capital stock. The larger economy is mainly the result of the significant reduction in the service price of capital due to the rate reductions for corporations and pass through businesses. In addition, the reduction of marginal tax rates on individual income would increase incentives to work and result in 5.3 million full-time equivalent jobs.

and

We modeled the most significant provisions outlined above, and most of the less-significant provisions. The exception to this, generally, is provisions that refer to unspecified closing of loopholes. We also did not model the unspecified changes to the Personal Exemption Phase-out or the Pease Limitation on Itemized Deductions.

So they left out a bunch of unspecified revenue.............
For a guy who is asking for specifics, quoting a study that makes so many assumptions seems kind of ironic.

4. How can Trump and his sheep claim he cares about the Constitution, while in the same breath Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entering our country (strike 1) AND threatening the 1st amendment by threatening to open libel laws so he can sue reporters who write things about him that he disagrees with? THAT is your Constitutionalist???

There's nothing unconstitutional about barring certain groups of people from immigrating into this country on a temporary basis.

Under U.S. Code, the president does have the statutory authority to keep anyone out of the country, for any reason he thinks best. Per 8 USC §1182

Perhaps he is threatening the 1st Amendment. I really don't know. He can sue, but that doesn't mean that the courts have to side with him.

5. And let's say you believe Trump's sudden shift that he means he will only ban Muslims from countries with "a history of terrorism"...which countries is that? Does that mean Egypt too? France? Germany? Ireland This isn't a game where you can just be extremely vague - which countries EXACTLY?

I have to admit, I don't know about this. I've been busy working and must have missed this "countries with a history of terrorism" thing. Either way, I am not too worried about it, because he made it clear that the ban would only be temporary until we cleaned up some issues with our vetting processes.

I could go on and on, but I'll stop there. Don't worry...I know you don't have any answers. Just like Trump. Y'all been had.

*shrugs* You "know" jack........

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm not voting for Trump, but I will respond.

I almost feel sorry for you. Your anger and rage are obviously all consuming. I would venture to say that it was those traits, and not any racism, that led to your alleged encounter with someone who you claim said racist things to you.



He has said that he wants to cripple them by going after their money and sources of revenue. Beyond that, I would submit that it would NOT be a good idea for ANY potential Commander-in-Chief to lay out his battle plan for defeating any enemy. It's generally considered a bad idea to tell your enemy what is coming, where it is coming, and when it is coming.



https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

Heaven forbid you do even a modicum of your own research....



An article that admits:



and



So they left out a bunch of unspecified revenue.............
For a guy who is asking for specifics, quoting a study that makes so many assumptions seems kind of ironic.



There's nothing unconstitutional about barring certain groups of people from immigrating into this country on a temporary basis.



Perhaps he is threatening the 1st Amendment. I really don't know. He can sue, but that doesn't mean that the courts have to side with him.



I have to admit, I don't know about this. I've been busy working and must have missed this "countries with a history of terrorism" thing. Either way, I am not too worried about it, because he made it clear that the ban would only be temporary until we cleaned up some issues with our vetting processes.



*shrugs* You "know" jack........

Holy shit, this was beautiful.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I have to admit, I don't know about this. I've been busy working and must have missed this "countries with a history of terrorism" thing.

I could be completely wrong, but I thought it was along the lines of countries that support terrorism, not with a history of terrorism.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'm not voting for Trump, but I will respond.

I almost feel sorry for you. Your anger and rage are obviously all consuming. I would venture to say that it was those traits, and not any racism, that led to your alleged encounter with someone who you claim said racist things to you.



He has said that he wants to cripple them by going after their money and sources of revenue. Beyond that, I would submit that it would NOT be a good idea for ANY potential Commander-in-Chief to lay out his battle plan for defeating any enemy. It's generally considered a bad idea to tell your enemy what is coming, where it is coming, and when it is coming.



https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

Heaven forbid you do even a modicum of your own research....



An article that admits:



and



So they left out a bunch of unspecified revenue.............
For a guy who is asking for specifics, quoting a study that makes so many assumptions seems kind of ironic.



There's nothing unconstitutional about barring certain groups of people from immigrating into this country on a temporary basis.



Perhaps he is threatening the 1st Amendment. I really don't know. He can sue, but that doesn't mean that the courts have to side with him.



I have to admit, I don't know about this. I've been busy working and must have missed this "countries with a history of terrorism" thing. Either way, I am not too worried about it, because he made it clear that the ban would only be temporary until we cleaned up some issues with our vetting processes.



*shrugs* You "know" jack........

1. You know jack shit about me. "All-encompassing hate" - dude, grow a pair. What I say here offends softies like you (who, incidentally, rail against PC people LOL) but has zero to do with what I do with my family on my own time. I'm happy pretty much all the time, except when a racist demogogue tries to take over this great country, and when the Irish lose. Do better.

2. Typical partisan BS. Do just an ounce of research and you'll see how absolutely ridiculous his superficial "plan" to stop ISIS "quickly" is. And LOL at "I don't want to say my plan" - he doesn't have a plan. I can't believe you call that an actual strategy and defend that it might in fact work, as if it is that easy. Holy crap.

3. Really? That was only one of many articles and studies. It really isn't that hard to see what an awful economic plan he has. And they come from both conservatives and liberals. Increase spending all over the place, AND cut taxes majorly across the board? Like I said, you've been had.

4. It doesn't matter whether it can pass or not. The fact is that he goes on and on about the Constitution, something that he has little regard for, as proven by the fact that he wants to change the First Amendment. He has effectively threatened the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments as well. How people believe his BS about him loving the Constitution (and all "12 Articles") is beyond me. He wouldn't know the Constitution if it bit him in the arse.

5. Look it up. He has said it several times. Just because you know jack shit about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

6. Ummm, you do realize his "plan" is illegal and he won't be able to do that to pay for the wall. Do better. Here's a hint: A third world country will not pay for a wall.

7. LOL - I know "jack shit", but you admit you knew nothing of 2 of my last 3 points, and pointed to a now debunked "plan" that can't work on my 3rd point. If I know jack shit, well, that makes you look REALLY bad lol.

For someone who keeps saying you don't support Trump, you sure do support Trump. And it's funny, this debate has turned out the same way every debate has when I talk with Trump supporters - bad for them lol. The guy is a quite simply a mess and a POS.

 

[wizards8507]

#DNCLeaks #racebaiting

 

[GATTACA!]

#DNCLeaks #racebaiting

Hillary and Co better strap in because I have a feeling this is going to get much worse before it's over. This is day 1 lol.