2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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kmoose

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I'm pretty sure they have clearance based on their position and not a typical security clearance like members of the IC.

They still have to pass the screening. I would imagine that the process is more forgiving for a top ranking administration official, but there must be limits. And I would imagine that previous incidents of long term mishandling of classified documents would be outside of those limits.
 
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This is about as politically impossible as anything any libertarian has ever dreamed up. Pretty intellectually dishonest to discount one set of policies due to lobbyists influence in Washington and then think lobbyists would allow money to be taken out of politics?!? lolwut? (sorry couldn't resist)
That is certainly a fair criticism. I think it's the wiser choice though considering its ramifications. If "small government" types reduce spending, it grows back. I like to think eliminating the money influence in Washington is akin to throwing the ring into Mordor. The armies of lobbyists just fade away and we all get to get on a ship and join a land of immorality alongside George Washington and Co. Or something like that.
 
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I agree, for the most part. With that being said, a Libertarian in the White House would do a lot to check over-spending and power grabs on both sides of the isle, and it's not like Johnson (hypothetically) would be able to dismantle current systems especially without a support party in Congress. It would never happen, but pragmatically sticking a Libertarian at the helm I don't think would actually change much from the status quo.
I agree. And I don't think Johnson is too Libertarian for me, but he certainly didn't look incredibly sharp on Bill Maher recently.
 

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I've simply lost faith in my government at this point. I'm not pissed over this one issue. It's the culmination of years of watching such shenanigans and being appalled not so much at those who view political office as a personal goodie bag to further their own quest for power & wealth, but at those who vote for them knowing what they are. Today's news was just the final confirmation for me that if you're powerful, have powerful friends, or it's politically expedient, you don't have to worry about the rules that apply to the rest of us. So much for government by & for the people.
 

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I agree. And I don't think Johnson is too Libertarian for me, but he certainly didn't look incredibly sharp on Bill Maher recently.

I actually saw him speak at ND many years ago while I was still in school. Extremely unimpressive, I came away flat out disappointed.
 

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Well, she certainly didn't meanherself! The "other" big guys, not herself or her friends. I'm just amazed at how many people who complain about corruption and dishonest politicians will vote for her and then make excuses about why... and then say they can't understand how we ended up with such a crooked bunch in Washington. SMDH
 

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I think exactly no one expected an indictment. I think anyone reading Comey's decision knows why this was clearly the domain of an independant council.

First look up names like Kim, Nishimura, Deutch, Petraeus. Read their transgressions. You will come away with understanding that you cannot lie to federal investigators unless you are a Clinton, and "extremely careless" is a distinction with no difference from "gross negligence"unless you are a Clinton...because as Mr. Comey himself noted, it matters who you are...well Mrs. Clinton's standing warrented creating legal precedent and indeed a difference between extremely careless and gross negligence...that being, ....who you are.

Each of the lemmings will see their way clear to vote Mrs Clinton...but know that your vote is further affirmation that there is a ruling class, and you like it that way.

Ironic, so close to Independence day....
 

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This is the part that's sad for me. Even assuming it's correct that there isn't a strong criminal case against HRC for her email improprieties (unlike most of you, I don't really doubt it), other candidates in other years would have had to pay a political price for their carelessness. Hillary won't have to pay a political price. I just don't think there are many voters who would have voted her before today, but now think she is a worse candidate than Trump. Instead, I think the people who liked her before today still figure, however bad this might be, she is still probably better for the country than Trump.

Hahahaha, now that is frickin' hilarious! That lying b*t*h is out for her own personal gain at full expense of the American people. Cuck hlinton and muck fichigan too!
 

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Donald Trump praises, criticizes Saddam Hussein - Business Insider

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GOP: So we lost the Clinton's emails battle. Maybe if we avoid embarrassment for awhile, we can--<br>Trump: SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS THE BEEEST!</p>— Carly May (@thatcarlymay) <a href="https://twitter.com/thatcarlymay/status/750500101487865856">July 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I've simply lost faith in my government at this point. I'm not pissed over this one issue. It's the culmination of years of watching such shenanigans and being appalled not so much at those who view political office as a personal goodie bag to further their own quest for power & wealth, but at those who vote for them knowing what they are. Today's news was just the final confirmation for me that if you're powerful, have powerful friends, or it's politically expedient, you don't have to worry about the rules that apply to the rest of us. So much for government by & for the people.

What if we could create a system in which special interests and re-election were not politicians' top priorities? What if we held all media outlets accountable when it comes to giving Americans the real, truthful news?

Ignoring any one policy talking point, you can focus on the big picture which permeates every square inch of the political spectrum: Money, power, greed and the need to get re-elected to beget more money, power, greed has created a monster. And the mainstream media has completely let down its viewers by getting into bed with these political machines instead of actually holding them accountable.
 

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What if we could create a system in which special interests and re-election were not politicians' top priorities? What if we held all media outlets accountable when it comes to giving Americans the real, truthful news?

Ignoring any one policy talking point, you can focus on the big picture which permeates every square inch of the political spectrum: Money, power, greed and the need to get re-elected to beget more money, power, greed has created a monster. And the mainstream media has completely let down its viewers by getting into bed with these political machines instead of actually holding them accountable.

I don't like the billions of dollars involved any more than you do, but you're gonna have to be a lot more detailed about "creating a system" and "holding media accountable."
 

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DNC Readies Warning On "Trumpocalypse" | The Smoking Gun


The DNC plan lists other hokey proposed stunts, like:

* A “Trumpocalypse Survival kit” tote bag with a barf bag, Tylenol, Alka Seltzer, and a clothespin “to hold nose while voting for Trump.”

* The production of an eight-page “Trump Tabloid” designed to look like the New York Post. The paper--“ideal for dumping oppo” research on the developer--would include a Trump-penned advice column entitled “How to Talk to Women.”

* Volunteers dressed as limousine drivers would go to the airport and meet arriving RNC members with “signs with messaging about Trump.”

* The distribution of a “Go Trump Yourself” kit that includes spray tan, hair dye, a dog whistle, and “Tiny foam fingers/hand clappers.”

* Attendees at a media lunch would be served food “from countries Trump has offended.” The menu would offer tacos and hummus and pita.

* A Trump “Successful Businessman Starter Kit” would include a $40 million check from “your Dad” and a diploma from Trump University.

* Producing milk cartons with the photos of the many GOP leaders who are skipping the convention.

The plan’s “other ideas” section notes that volunteers and interns could get dressed as the presumptive GOP presidential nominee and perform “Trump things.” Another idea is described as a “WH/Administration ask” for the provision of “topline surrogates/cabinet secretaries?” (16 pages)
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Goodbye, America. <a href="https://t.co/qNE0LgaiZG">pic.twitter.com/qNE0LgaiZG</a></p>— jon gabriel (@exjon) <a href="https://twitter.com/exjon/status/750404806951309312">July 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The conservative case for letting Clinton skate: <a href="https://twitter.com/EliLake">@elilake</a> makes it forcefully <a href="https://t.co/dXSOT81jWV">https://t.co/dXSOT81jWV</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/750684029331136512">July 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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To start, Clinton's predicament is more common than one might think. J. William Leonard, who served from 2002 to 2008 as the director of the Information Security Oversight Office, told me: "If you looked at any senior government official's unclassified e-mail accounts you will find information that someone can go through and say, 'Hey, that's classified.'" Granted this is not the same as using a private server over the advice of security professionals, but it's a common problem in the government.

Clinton's case here is instructive. While the FBI has not made public the classified information she discussed in her unclassified e-mails, many outlets have reported that some of this dealt with the U.S. targeted killing program. Until recently these drone strikes were considered top secret. At the same time they were widely reported and discussed in Washington, to the point where President Barack Obama himself joked about his drone strikes at a White House Correspondents Association dinner.

"We know that until very recently the administration considered the discussion of specific targeted killing operations to be highly classified, and in fact covert action," said Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists. "Outside of government most people find that ridiculous because it has been reported around the world."

It's not just drone strikes. The details of U.S. aid to the Palestinian Authority today are classified. That means it's technically illegal for you or me to know how much money the U.S. has withheld in compliance with a 2014 law to cut off payments to Palestinian prisoners and the families of "martyrs." The same is true for the vast majority of documents uncovered in the 2011 raid on Osama bin Laden's compound or the details about whether Russia has complied with its arms-control agreements.

In all of these instances, conservatives have an interest in diminishing state secrecy, not empowering it. Even for something like the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, the mishandling of classified information played a crucial role in exposing the White House narrative that the attack was really a demonstration gone awry. Had it not been for timely leaks of classified assessments, the public would not have known until after the 2012 election how many U.S. officials on the ground contradicted the White House line.

None of this is to say that there are not some secrets, like the identity of CIA agents overseas, that must be protected. But modern presidents and the national security bureaucracy have embraced excessive secrecy. As the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, told me in 2014, it was a mistake to keep from the public the NSA program to collect telephone metadata. When it finally did become public, it was a scandal

Just food for thought, I guess. I actually don't think it sheds too much light on the decision not to charge Clinton. Obviously, the FBI and the Justice Department should be focused on whether criminal charges are likely to result in a conviction and sentence, and to a lesser extent, whether this is the type of conduct Congress intended to criminalize when it passed the statute, not whether the classified info should have been classified in the first place. But it's an interesting take.
 
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I don't like the billions of dollars involved any more than you do, but you're gonna have to be a lot more detailed about "creating a system" and "holding media accountable."

I was just trying to make a general point to bishop's comment on losing faith in government. I understand for sake of discussion, I should be more detailed in my preferred system. But to be honest, it's so complicated and so big, that I don't believe there is any one simple answer. You will never completely eliminate the money/power/greed from government. I just think, big-picture-wise, it's one of the main issues with our politics. Throw in the fact that the media is so unbelievably awful at delivering actual news and you get a society that is completely uninformed and unable to fight back against said government. It's a disaster.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All the faces that President Obama made behind Hillary Clinton, by <a href="https://twitter.com/MattNegrin">@MattNegrin</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/Griffin">@Griffin</a><a href="https://t.co/gdV37SrUbZ">https://t.co/gdV37SrUbZ</a></p>— Mark Halperin (@MarkHalperin) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkHalperin/status/750446654466039808">July 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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#MoreTrustedThanHillary on Twitter


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MoreTrustedThanHillary?src=hash">#MoreTrustedThanHillary</a> Jared Fogle <a href="https://t.co/pc6MsetCoA">pic.twitter.com/pc6MsetCoA</a></p>— Brian B (@acebb20) <a href="https://twitter.com/acebb20/status/750654974200254464">July 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Funny on the web<br>This bridge is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MoreTrustedThanHillary?src=hash">#MoreTrustedThanHillary</a> <a href="https://t.co/QU21Mn6gt3">pic.twitter.com/QU21Mn6gt3</a></p>— Lonnie Hicks (@Lnnie) <a href="https://twitter.com/Lnnie/status/750722690399412225">July 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A big foot sighting <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MoreTrustedThanHillary?src=hash">#MoreTrustedThanHillary</a> <a href="https://t.co/Od8I9luEpw">pic.twitter.com/Od8I9luEpw</a></p>— THE GREAT TRUMP (@ArantheGreat) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArantheGreat/status/750652554153984000">July 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All the faces that President Obama made behind Hillary Clinton, by <a href="https://twitter.com/MattNegrin">@MattNegrin</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/Griffin">@Griffin</a><a href="https://t.co/gdV37SrUbZ">https://t.co/gdV37SrUbZ</a></p>— Mark Halperin (@MarkHalperin) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkHalperin/status/750446654466039808">July 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The media had never played Obama's mis pronunciation in the last 8 years.

Our country couldn't go 20 days without replays some of Bush's gaffes
 

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The media had never played Obama's mis pronunciation in the last 8 years.

Our country couldn't go 20 days without replays some of Bush's gaffes

Examples? The media certainly played Bush gaffes, just like they did for Biden. I don't recall the same issues with Obama.
 

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Quick question: If General Petraeus was a candidate for president (ETA: or Vice President), would you consider voting for him?
 
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Quick question: If General Petraeus was a candidate for president, would you consider voting for him?

I'd vote for a turnip before Hilary or Donald. So yes, bring him on. I don't know everything about him, but he couldn't be anymore reckless or dishonest than the two we have.
 

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I'd vote for a turnip before Hilary or Donald. So yes, bring him on. I don't know everything about him, but he couldn't be anymore reckless or dishonest than the two we have.

So his willful sharing of confidential information is not disqualifying?
 
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