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There is already concerns about what is going to happen in San Diego.

The challenge with the latino protests is that many have not actually 'bought into the american way' of everyone having the right to speech. How can you expect them to understand the concept of freedoms when they don't feel the need to subscribe to many of our laws?

I have attended many La Raza events in Southern California...going back to 2005...and at each one I walked away with the impression that it's nothing more than a large group of people who don't actually want to be Americans but rather Mexicans with the freedom to live and stay in the United States.

We've needed real immigration policy and enforcement for quite a while. That was in the Republican Party platform in 2012. Hispanics and Latinos who've lived for decades and centuries in the U.S. demand it. You may know many of them. I do, too. You may also know of illegals' children who've been born in the U.S. and have grown up here and know little about their parents' countries. Those children cannot go to universities or start real businesses. Without the rhetoric and threats, Trump addresses some of the real problems that is the responsibility on an ineffective, dysfunctional Congresses for years. We need paths to citizenship and to address those who do not want to take that path.

Meanwhile, the pattern of Trump threats and insults with non-violent proteststors and violent protesters who get the headlines will continue and worsen in California. Our health care, educational and economic systems should not have to cope with such a drain. I believe others have pointed out from their experiences that businesses like crop harvesting, construction, hotels, roofing, landscaping, and on and on could not survive a mass exodus. But Californians, for instance, pay a huge price.

The solution is not just the Great Wall of Trump and label all as drug-dealing Mexicans. Behind his bombastic rhetoric may be a real plan but, if so, we won't see it because accounting for businesses that need the labor, children who have only know the U.S. but are limited in their dreams, families fleeing violence to save who are left of their members, etc. is too complex for a campaign that repeatedly call Ted Cruz not an American, his father helping in the JFK assassination, and filing a "birther" lawsuit against him.

This only gets worse.

Some links:
List of Hispanic and Latino Americans in the United States Congress

Hispanic State Legislator Information
HISPANIC STATE LEGISLATORS AT A GLANCE


Among others, New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez Confirms that Grandparents Were Undocumented
 
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Just saying that would be his best option. Hillary has done a great job of alienating so many Bernie supporters that Trump's best bet would be to continue to extend the olive branch. Not show up to a debate and yell over Bernie and call him crazy the whole time.
There are two household names in the progressive realm of the country, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Trump has been attacking Warren lately and it will only drive Sanders fans from considering him if he keeps it up.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MSNBC typo for the win! <a href="https://t.co/TTziKvbanu">pic.twitter.com/TTziKvbanu</a></p>— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/735819595819458560">May 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MSNBC typo for the win! <a href="https://t.co/TTziKvbanu">pic.twitter.com/TTziKvbanu</a></p>— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/735819595819458560">May 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Spoiler alert lol
 

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The funny part is someone posted a response that said a President Trump probably WOULD say that!

Oh, he would definitely say it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">everything about this is hilarious<br><br>1.) "urgent"<br>2.) Trump is the source here<br>3.) Tom Brady loves Trump <a href="https://t.co/dL4Bza9sL6">pic.twitter.com/dL4Bza9sL6</a></p>— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) <a href="https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/735557309368283136">May 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Oh, he would definitely say it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">everything about this is hilarious<br><br>1.) "urgent"<br>2.) Trump is the source here<br>3.) Tom Brady loves Trump <a href="https://t.co/dL4Bza9sL6">pic.twitter.com/dL4Bza9sL6</a></p>— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) <a href="https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/735557309368283136">May 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Tom Brady sucks. But he has this one redeeming quality....

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Oh, he would definitely say it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">everything about this is hilarious<br><br>1.) "urgent"<br>2.) Trump is the source here<br>3.) Tom Brady loves Trump <a href="https://t.co/dL4Bza9sL6">pic.twitter.com/dL4Bza9sL6</a></p>— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) <a href="https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/735557309368283136">May 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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One more reason to hate Tom Brady ... one more reason to hate Trump.
 

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Tom Brady sucks. But he has this one redeeming quality....

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I actually used to like Tom Brady a lot until he came out pro-Chump. Thought Goodell railroaded him in that ridiculous Deflate-Gate BS. Now I'm happy that Brady got that 4 game suspension reinstated. The Karma gods win again lol.
 

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I actually used to like Tom Brady a lot until he came out pro-Chump. Thought Goodell railroaded him in that ridiculous Deflate-Gate BS. Now I'm happy that Brady got that 4 game suspension reinstated. The Karma gods win again lol.

I'll defend Brady to the death, but he backtracked pretty well. He's been saying for years he has no life pretty much outside football/family and he told reporters to stop asking about Trump when he learned he said some controversial things. He even walked out of press conferences when Trump was brought up.

Not like he pulled a Lou Holtz and endorsed him....
 

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Trump: I'll debate Sanders for $10 million for women's health issues

Hoping this does happen. Good sign that there is still talk of it today.

If Hillary had suggested debating Trump one-on-one while Sanders was still a candidate, Sanders would have thrown a fit that the nomination was fixed and whined about Debbie Wasserman-Schultz working behind the scenes to exclude him. It's kind of funny that he now wants to debate Trump one-on-one. And Trump's suggestion that they debate for charity is equally funny since at least half the money raised for veterans, when he skipped one of the Republican debates, is still unaccounted for. Seems like wasted effort since Bernie's campaign is already over. He just hasn't accepted the fact that Hillary has beaten him in the popular vote as well as in convention delegates.
 

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We've needed real immigration policy and enforcement for quite a while.......Hispanics and Latinos who've lived for decades and centuries in the U.S. demand it.

Huge difference between policy and enforcement.

On enforcement, it's rather difficult to hear these voices over the voices of groups like La Raza. Not saying they don't exist but by all accounts the hispanic and latino community. from a public perspective, is not demanding enforcement but rather acceptance.

We need paths to citizenship and to address those who do not want to take that path.

Coupling these together is where immigration starts to split people. Most want enforcement way before paths to citizenship. Until these are decoupled I really don't see a true solution.


I believe others have pointed out from their experiences that businesses like crop harvesting, construction, hotels, roofing, landscaping, and on and on could not survive a mass exodus. But Californians, for instance, pay a huge price.


Californians do pay a high price, in terms of subsidizing illegal immigration.

But the thinking that industries would collapse if there all of a sudden was a mass exodus of cheap labor is lost on me.

First, there is not a shortage of people wanting to immigrate to the United States. There are millions of people who would come from around the globe AND come in the front door, under the rules and embrace the United States as their new home. To turn these people away because there are too many coming from Mexico and Central America through the back door is a huge problem. Especially when you consider the difference in how they view the United States when they get here.

Second, the same party that suggests this also is suggesting that the market can afford to pay someone $12 to $15 an hour to work at Burger King. So if the fast food can absorb a massive increase in wages...so can the industries you list. If these companies can't, then their prices would need to increase to offset the costs.

Third, if people want to suggest there would be a labor shortage they are naive or lying. I know there are an equal number of people from India alone who would immigrate to the United States as there are from Mexico and Central America both in the US illegally and wanting to come here. The biggest difference is it has been shown that Indian immigrants are highly successful in embracing the US culture, language and can accelerate the success of secondary generations at a faster pace than most every other group.

If you don't find enough in India there are millions more that would kill for the opportunity. Instead of going to the Middle East to essentially become indentured servants or slaves they would gladly come to the US instead. They would take the lowest legal wage for the right to have freedom and they would embrace the culture and language.

In short, Mexicans and Central Americans don't own the rights to migrant labor. That's just a myth.


The solution is not just the Great Wall of Trump and label all as drug-dealing Mexicans. Behind his bombastic rhetoric may be a real plan but, if so, we won't see it because accounting for businesses that need the labor, children who have only know the U.S. but are limited in their dreams, families fleeing violence to save who are left of their members, etc. is too complex for a campaign that repeatedly call Ted Cruz not an American, his father helping in the JFK assassination, and filing a "birther" lawsuit against him.

Ya...not a fan of rhetoric either. But I also don't get hooked as deep as others on the sob stories. The world is a big place and there is bad everywhere. Again, Mexicans and Central Americans don't own the exclusive rights to those.

I don't think the proximity of Mexico or Central America should come with exclusivity in regards to compassion for the strife they face at home.

I don't think loud voices like La Raza should be able to bully their way to American policy simply because people are fearful of looking racist or having to pay more for avocados.

I don't think someone should just be forgiven for breaking the law simply because it's too difficult to enforce it. Because for every person you allow to stay under those terms essentially prevents someone who wants to do it right from coming here.

I think we should open the gates to almost anyone who wants to come here provided they meet the basic requirements.
 

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But voter ID laws are nothing more than a Republican ploy to keep minorities from voting.

Yeah, I'll be real, will never understand how Voter ID laws are a way to keep minorities down. You need an ID to do pretty much anything, bring it with you to vote!
 

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Yeah, I'll be real, will never understand how Voter ID laws are a way to keep minorities down. You need an ID to do pretty much anything, bring it with you to vote!

Statistically, they reduce minority voter turnout. In many cases, the required IDs also cost money, which essentially amounts to a poll tax.

Study: Voter ID laws hit minorities - POLITICO

Haven't read this one all the way through, but here's a study on the topic.

http://pages.ucsd.edu/~zhajnal/page5/documents/voterIDhajnaletal.pdf

ETA: Here's an article on the study above.
Study: Yup, Voter ID Laws Dampen Turnout For Minorities And Liberals
 
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Statistically, they reduce minority voter turnout. In many cases, the required IDs also cost money, which essentially amounts to a poll tax.


So one could argue that the solution is to offer free basic IDs rather than removing a layer of protection to ensure people who are voting have the right to vote.
 

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Statistically, they reduce minority voter turnout. In many cases, the required IDs also cost money, which essentially amounts to a poll tax.
You're either lying or you're ignorant on this particular issue. Every proposal for mandatory voter ID laws includes a provision for FREE state IDs.

You don't even see the irony here, do you? If voter IDs "dampen turnout for liberals," it means liberals are committing voter fraud and now they're pissed they can't get away with it.
 

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You may also know of illegals' children who've been born in the U.S. and have grown up here and know little about their parents' countries. Those children cannot go to universities or start real businesses.

Why not?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/elizabethforma">@elizabethforma</a> Wow, you are so dumb. Trump just trolled you into admitting you LIED about being Native American! <a href="https://t.co/gRut4pMZvc">pic.twitter.com/gRut4pMZvc</a></p>— Mike Cernovich (@Cernovich) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/736057253552263173">May 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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You're either lying or you're ignorant on this particular issue. Every proposal for mandatory voter ID laws includes a provision for FREE state IDs.

I don't really see why you have to go as far as calling him a liar/ignorant. He was pretty polite to you, so I'm not getting the useless vitriol.

Just because the cards themselves wouldn't have a cost, there is a cost in obtaining one. They have to pay for transportation to get to the issuing office. There is a time cost, as people would have to find a way to either get out of work, get someone to watch kids, etc. So it's not free.

You don't even see the irony here, do you? If voter IDs "dampen turnout for liberals," it means liberals are committing voter fraud and now they're pissed they can't get away with it.

Voter ID in general is ironic, as there is zero doubt that the poor and minority populations would be hurt most. The same people republicans have committed voter fraud on in the past.

Let's not act like voter fraud is this plague only coming from liberals. There's plenty of blood on the republicans too.
 

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Ironically, it's the Left's position on voter ID laws that is extremely racist. They contend that voter ID laws would suppress minority turnout. That means they believe that minorities are either too poor, too lazy, or too stupid to figure out how to acquire one.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/elizabethforma">@elizabethforma</a> Wow, you are so dumb. Trump just trolled you into admitting you LIED about being Native American! <a href="https://t.co/gRut4pMZvc">pic.twitter.com/gRut4pMZvc</a></p>— Mike Cernovich (@Cernovich) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/736057253552263173">May 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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That's kind of a dumb exchange. She didn't admit to anything. That entire exchange between them is pretty comical though.

Pretty pathetic that someone that is trying to become the leader of the free world is on Twitter trying to bully anyone that he doesn't like. A shining example for America's youth.
 

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Ironically, it's the Left's position on voter ID laws that is extremely racist. They contend that voter ID laws would suppress minority turnout. That means they believe that minorities are either too poor, too lazy, or too stupid to figure out how to acquire one.

Soft bigotry of low expectations?
 

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That's kind of a dumb exchange. She didn't admit to anything. That entire exchange between them is pretty comical though.

Pretty pathetic that someone that is trying to become the leader of the free world is on Twitter trying to bully anyone that he doesn't like. A shining example for America's youth.
Yeah I wasn't saying "HAHAHA, TRUMP DESTROYED WARREN."

More "lol... sigh..."
 
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