2016 Presidential Horse Race

[dales5050]

It’s beyond stupid what these idiots are doing. I hate Trump more than anyone, but this is just fucking moronic and not helpful at all. Every single one of the violent ones should do jail time.

I will also say that I was at a peaceful Trump protest. As the Trumpians were leaving the rally, they were instigating the protestors like crazy. They were basically begging us to be violent. Some of the rudest, most vile people I’ve ever come across. We didn’t take the bait, but weren’t as young as the protestors you saw in Chicago, LA, and New Mexico.

Like I said even before the Chicago protests – it’s only going to get worse. Donald is doubling down, and there are some angry, angry people out there who are willing to take it waaaaaaayyyy too far. What a fucking mess.

I hope that you realize that you're one of them. Or at the very least you look foolish by talking about your hatred at the same time you talk about looking for peace.

I think you're more like the protestors you are calling out than you think. But that's just an opinion about someone I don't know based on reading a bunch of shit they write....so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I hope that you realize that you're one of them. Or at the very least you look foolish by talking about your hatred at the same time you talk about looking for peace.

I think you're more like the protestors you are calling out than you think. But that's just an opinion about someone I don't know based on reading a bunch of shit they write....so take it with a grain of salt.

I don't need to speak for LA, but I guarantee you he will not...


You do realize there is a difference between voicing your disapproval through peaceful protest and voicing that same disapproval through violence, right?

 

[NDinL.A.]

I think many people are underestimating the frustration to disgust many 'average' people have with children on campus, black lives matters, 3rd generation feminists and SJWs.

People are fed up with being called a racist, sexist and misogynist simply because they don't agree with someone else. They are tired of being told to feel guilty and shut up.

People are tired of being told by the 'media' and progressive elite just how horrible they are for not doing or feeling how they are told.

I agree with you, to a point. Here’s where some of those people lose all credibility with me – when they actually DO act like racist pigs, are say things that absolutely are racist. THAT segment of the Trump supporters are nothing but hateful, bigoted assholes, and there are many of them. And that is not being PC, it’s just stating the truth.

A few weeks ago my dad (massive conservative, HATED Trump, now resigned to support him to tow the party line, which is stupid IMHO but I digress) linked a pro-Trump article on FB. I mistakenly read the comments section, and this comment from one lady had thousands of likes, and it was a list of things people could do now that Trump was in charge. One of them was “Thanks to Donald, now we can say whatever we want without being called a racist!” She then went on to say a bunch of racist/bigoted things. Trumpers were LOVING that list, asking her if they could share it, quote it, etc. These idiots truly felt that now they could be racist and no one could tell them they were racists lol. I mean, wtf is wrong with these people? It’s 2016 and they’re acting like it’s 1947. To me anyway, it’s insane.

And believe me, this isn’t me being overly sensitive to a few insensitive jokes. Shit, my office agreed that I would be the first one to be called to HR over saying an offensive joke. Nah, these people were out and out racists, and it’s a horrible look for Trump (just like the violent protestors are a horrible look for the Democrats).

 

[dales5050]

I don't need to speak for LA, but I guarantee you he will not...


You do realize there is a difference between voicing your disapproval through peaceful protest and voicing that same disapproval through violence, right?

To an extent. I am also not saying I am any better.

But if you consider having HATE towards anyone...you at the same time can't take the side of civility in any form as hatred has no place there.

Was just an observation.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I hope that you realize that you're one of them. Or at the very least you look foolish by talking about your hatred at the same time you talk about looking for peace.

I think you're more like the protestors you are calling out than you think. But that's just an opinion about someone I don't know based on reading a bunch of shit they write....so take it with a grain of salt.

Are you fucking kidding me with this? This cannot be real life.

Read my post again. Then again. Then again. Then again. Then ask someone for the cliff notes version of it to break it down for you further. Then read it again.

I said those people are fucking morons, but I’M like them?

I said I went to a PEACEFUL protest, and it remained PEACEFUL, in spite of the Trumpsters trying to start shit, but I’M like the violent ones?

Here’s a newsflash: Someone can be angry, and not start to be violent. Someone can talk about hatred, and not start violence. I didn’t even come CLOSE to starting violence, despite being called a “spic” and a “wetback” and “illegal”. So it’s utter bullshit that you say I’m anywhere close to those morons.

Let me be like you: You must be one those guys who now thinks he can say any racist shit he wants without being called a racist. But hey, I’m just some dude from afar reading some moron’s shit he writes without a brain cell behind it, so take it with a grain of salt.

What a joke.

 

[GATTACA!]

Hillary Clinton Violated State Dept. Policies By Using Private Email

Hillary Clinton failed to report several hacking attempts, grew afraid of opening emails

State Department report slams Clinton email use

 

[NorthDakota]

Hillary Clinton Violated State Dept. Policies By Using Private Email

Hillary Clinton failed to report several hacking attempts, grew afraid of opening emails

State Department report slams Clinton email use

I won't jump for joy or do a sweet dance like that until she is indicted.

 

[wizards8507]

Hacker who claims he breached Clinton server pleads guilty, strikes deal with feds | Fox News

Oh shit. He gon' testify.

 

[GATTACA!]

I won't jump for joy or do a sweet dance like that until she is indicted.

While I agree this isn't a done deal yet, it doesn't get much more damning than this

The State Department’s inspector general sharply criticized Hillary Clinton’s exclusive use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, saying she had not sought permission to use it and would not have received it if she had.

 

[wizards8507]

I wish more people were talking about why she was using a private e-mail server. It's obvious that she broke the rules, but I think far more interesting is what she was trying to hide.

 

[ACamp1900]

Let's be real, much like with the true believers in Trump's corner, this won't sway literally a single person who is already on the Clinton train, they simply don't care about anything other than 'my team vs. their team.'... now if an indictment does come that's a different dynamic entirely... but I am with Dakota on that one.

 

[dales5050]

Are you fucking kidding me with this? This cannot be real life.

Read my post again. Then again. Then again. Then again. Then ask someone for the cliff notes version of it to break it down for you further. Then read it again.

I said those people are fucking morons, but I’M like them?

I said I went to a PEACEFUL protest, and it remained PEACEFUL, in spite of the Trumpsters trying to start shit, but I’M like the violent ones?

Here’s a newsflash: Someone can be angry, and not start to be violent. Someone can talk about hatred, and not start violence. I didn’t even come CLOSE to starting violence, despite being called a “spic” and a “wetback” and “illegal”. So it’s utter bullshit that you say I’m anywhere close to those morons.

Let me be like you: You must be one those guys who now thinks he can say any racist shit he wants without being called a racist. But hey, I’m just some dude from afar reading some moron’s shit he writes without a brain cell behind it, so take it with a grain of salt.

What a joke.

Thanks for helping prove my point.

The people you encountered were not violent. You suggested they wanted to be but they were not. There is a difference. There is a line and it was not crossed no matter what picture you want to paint.

I am not saying what those people did was right or that they are good people.

I am saying that you're filled with just as much hate as them. You're just as angry as them but for some reason you feel it's ok for you to hate others but somehow, at the same time, find it offensive when people hate you. That's the comical part.

 

[phgreek]

Hacker who claims he breached Clinton server pleads guilty, strikes deal with feds | Fox News

Oh shit. He gon' testify.

Will be blocked from providing testimony or Will die in jail before he ever testifies...

 

[GATTACA!]

Let's be real, much like with the true believers in Trump's corner, this won't sway literally a single person who is already on the Clinton train, they simply don't care about anything other than 'my team vs. their team.'... now if an indictment does come that's a different dynamic entirely... but I am with Dakota on that one.

I will be SHOCKED if that isn't coming, sooner rather than later. This State Department audit didn't happen to come out right now for no reason. They know what's coming and they are trying to distance themselves as far as they can from Hillary.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Thanks for helping prove my point.

The people you encountered were not violent. You suggested they wanted to be but they were not. There is a difference. There is a line and it was not crossed no matter what picture you want to paint.

I am not saying what those people did was right or that they are good people.

I am saying that you're filled with just as much hate as them. You're just as angry as them but for some reason you feel it's ok for you to hate others but somehow, at the same time, find it offensive when people hate you. That's the comical part.

This is why I asked you to read my post 7 times, and then ask for help from someone else to digest it. I see that you either didn't take my advice or it still just didn't take.

I never once in that post said I hated Trump supporters. I clearly said I hated Trump (for many reasons that I've stated here - mostly because he's made it perfectly acceptable for the racist fraction of his supporters to be openly racist and spew hatred towards people simply because they look different, are from a different country, or follow a different religion. So yeah, I stand by my hatred of Trump). His supporters that act a fool are simply ignorant POS, but in my post I never said I hated them..

In my post, I CLEARLY said those violent protesters should be thrown in jail and that they are fucking morons. I also CLEARLY said I joined a peaceful protest and didn’t join in attacking Trump supporters who were trying to goad us into being violent. And yet, with some twisted, twisted logic, you equate me with those violent protestors.

What a world we live in. It's like me saying that because Gattaca hates Hillary, he's just like that idiot old man at the Trump rally that sucker punched the Black protester. I mean, wtf? Bravo bro, bravo. I think I’ve seen it all here now lol.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Let's be real, much like with the true believers in Trump's corner, this won't sway literally a single person who is already on the Clinton train, they simply don't care about anything other than 'my team vs. their team.'... now if an indictment does come that's a different dynamic entirely... but I am with Dakota on that one.

I think you’re absolutely right. People have dug in. Nothing either of these two do will change the minds of most of their supporters. Two Teflon Dons.

 

[Rizzophil]

I think you’re absolutely right. People have dug in. Nothing either of these two do will change the minds of most of their supporters. Two Teflon Dons.

I agree and disagree at the same time. The GOP and Demoncratic base are all in for their nominee. Doesn't really matter how they try ssn attack either.

However, more and more people are leaving the GOP and the Democratic Party. It's plastered in every poll and it's clear that both parties have drove us off the cliff. Almost 20 trillion in debt, no clear laws (some have to be followed and not others), no American pride, a total breakdown in the home, etc etc. I'm not saying that all of those things should be be attributed to each party but Americans looking for a better America aren't finding it. And without a clear change of direction of country and be radically changed soon.

My point is that there's more independents than ever before...

 

[connor_in]

 

[phgreek]

can you squeeze that on a ballot?

 

[Legacy]

Albuquerque

Albuquerque

Looking at news reports and local Albuquerque TV footage from reporters on the scene, the protesters were from two types - two organized groups and a group of people bent on creating a violent protest. Here's a couple of local news reports:
Calm turned to chaos following Trump rally in Albuquerque

Excerpt:

What was supposed to be a peaceful protest Tuesday quickly changed as hundreds of protesters lined the streets outside the Albuquerque Convention Center. Several people at the rally waved Mexican flags, objecting to Trump’s controversial immigration proposals.
When the anti-Trump movement started a march down Central, that’s when things started heating up.

Police: Four arrested during Trump visit, more arrests likely to occur
Excerpt:

City councilor Dan Lewis took to Facebook, placing blame on what he called a “riot,” on groups like “Southwest Organizing Project” and “Progress Now New Mexico.”
His fellow councilor Pat Davis is the Executive Director of “Progress Now New Mexico.” He called Lewis misinformed.
“Our event was a table where people could register to vote and make signs, and it packed up and concluded before the trump rally even began at 7 o’clock,” said Davis.
Meanwhile, “Southwest Organizing Project” says its protests were also peaceful. But directly points the finger at Trump for the unruly behavior last night.
“We’ve see that kind of violence everywhere that he goes, and he’s the common denominator with all of it,” said George Lujan with Southwest Organizing Project.

Trump, all peaceful supporters and protesters have their freedom of speech rights, which deserve to be respected. Both the Governor, the newly elected head of the Republican Governors Association, and the two term Republican mayor of Albuquerque chose not to attend both Trump's fundraiser or the rally. Per reports Bernie Sanders spoke to a large, enthusiastic crowd in Albuquerque a couple of days earlier as well as did Bill Clinton in two areas of the New Mexico that are largely Hispanic.

New Mexico is the only state where whites are a minority. Trump will unapologetically speak his mind, but in his only stop in NM insulted the Hispanic Governor from notes he prepared and making his "Mexican flag" and "thugs" remarks and "Pocahontas" slur on Warren.

Martinez responded - Donald Trump tangles with New Mexico's leader, a fellow Republican and the nation's only Latina governor

A local news outlet has included remarks of support for Martinez from other Republican leaders. Gov. Martinez responds to Trump's remarks

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Anyone believe this Trump vs Sanders debate for charity will happen? I don't...but would love for it to happen.

 

[dales5050]

Anyone believe this Trump vs Sanders debate for charity will happen? I don't...but would love for it to happen.

I think this is the start of his exit and the beginning of something much larger than his run for the White House.

Think about how much power the Tea Party got in such a short period of time. Now think about how they were without an actual true leader. Sure Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and Ted Cruz were at the top of the food chain but none of them were ever a clear cut leader. While they gained power they also lost it very quickly for multiple reasons.

But what they have also done is create a road map on how to take over or disrupt a party.

Going further, with Sanders, not only do you have a true leader of a movement/party but you also have a massive political operation already built. An operation that is funded, by and large, by small donations and personal effort. An operation of very passionate people who do more than just vote.

Just look what an endorsement from Sanders did, almost overnight, for Tim Canova and his campaign against Wasserman Schultz. Now take that power and put it into play in Minnesota, Vermont, Kansas, Nebraska, Maine, Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii and Washington.

The 'Sanders movement', let's call it the 'progressive party', may not be able to win the nomination but they can win a bunch of seats in Congress. They can pick up a hell of a lot of seats at the state and local level as well.

So what happens when Sanders gets shut out? Do those supporters, who have very strong feelings about his campaign platform, simply fall into line with a party that has ignored them or do they step out and say 'f*ck it' we will do our own thing?

Sanders may never make it to the White House but he could be responsible for the creation of a true 3rd party and that might be just enough of a carrot for him. As he has said...his campaign is about ideas. So if that is really true....this seems like a logical next step.

 

[dales5050]

Trump, all peaceful supporters and protesters have their freedom of speech rights, which deserve to be respected.

There is already concerns about what is going to happen in San Diego.

The challenge with the latino protests is that many have not actually 'bought into the american way' of everyone having the right to speech. How can you expect them to understand the concept of freedoms when they don't feel the need to subscribe to many of our laws?

I have attended many La Raza events in Southern California...going back to 2005...and at each one I walked away with the impression that it's nothing more than a large group of people who don't actually want to be Americans but rather Mexicans with the freedom to live and stay in the United States.

 

[connor_in]

Amazing! Watch Nancy Pelosi clear Hillary of wrongdoing (and admit she hasn’t seen the IG report) – twitchy.com

 

[irishfan]

Trump Reaches the Magic Number to Clinch Nomination - ABC News

Officially clinched.

 

[connor_in]

CBS2 Investigation Uncovers Votes Being Cast From Grave Year After Year « CBS Los Angeles

 

[irishfan]

Anyone believe this Trump vs Sanders debate for charity will happen? I don't...but would love for it to happen.

I don't see it happening. It's a no-brainer for Bernie since he needs a miracle. Every poll shows that he is easily beating Trump head-to-head so maybe a debate beatdown would get the attention of the DNC and the superdelegates.

It could be big for Trump if it the debate is a short, cordial event. They do have some areas where they agree on things. If they were able to stick to those topics and off of Trump's divisive issues, it would be huge for him in eventually winning over a larger percentage of Bernie voters.

In the end, I'm assuming the Trump camp will deem it too risky though.

 

[wizards8507]

I don't see it happening. It's a no-brainer for Bernie since he needs a miracle. Every poll shows that he is easily beating Trump head-to-head so maybe a debate beatdown would get the attention of the DNC and the superdelegates.

It could be big for Trump if it the debate is a short, cordial event. They do have some areas where they agree on things. If they were able to stick to those topics and off of Trump's divisive issues, it would be huge for him in eventually winning over a larger percentage of Bernie voters.

In the end, I'm assuming the Trump camp will deem it too risky though.

Have you been watching the Republican primary? Trump would get skewered in a "short, cordial event." Trump wins in street fights.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

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[irishfan]

Have you been watching the Republican primary? Trump would get skewered in a "short, cordial event." Trump wins in street fights.

Just saying that would be his best option. Hillary has done a great job of alienating so many Bernie supporters that Trump's best bet would be to continue to extend the olive branch. Not show up to a debate and yell over Bernie and call him crazy the whole time.