2016 Presidential Horse Race

[connor_in]

Pure incompetence vs. pure evil. I vote we go back to England.

 

[Irish YJ]

Priebus on CNN right now. He looks constipated saying that Trumpers is the GOP's chosen lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

My favorite Hilldog quote:

"We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

 

[Irish YJ]

per CNN
-47% of women in IN backed Trump
-Nation trending/warming to Trump as Prez
-Sanders generating more "excitement" than HRC

 

[Irish YJ]

Margaret Hoover having a melt down right now on CNN. Party, party, party, party.... She's forgetting people people people.

 

[GoIrish41]

per CNN
-47% of women in IN backed Trump
-Nation trending/warming to Trump as Prez
-Sanders generating more "excitement" than HRC

47 percent of REPUBLICAN women in IN voted for Trump ... 53 percent didn't. His problem with women isn't going away.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Interesting conversation with a friend of mine who immigrated from China when he was younger. He spoke of Trump in a manor similar to Mao Zedong. I'm not a history buff so I just took his word for it. But his main point wasn't that the leader themselves were so horrific, but it was the platform they provided for people to revolt. Being a non-white, immigrant, he worries for his kids what may become of a Trump presidency. Trump himself may back off the hateful rhetoric, but he's already lit the fuse for his supporters to carry on with a mob mentality of hatred towards non-whites. He said even though there are some Trump policies he agrees with, he can't support him out of fear that the risk is too great for a people's revolution, to rise up full of hatred to "take back their country."

Agree or disagree. Just wanted to share.

 

[phork]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Trump is going to be your president.

 

[Irish YJ]

53 percent of REPUBLICAN women in IN voted for Trump ... 53 percent didn't. His problem with women isn't going away.

That is not how CNN represented it. I agree, but their graph didn't say 47% of Republican. If you use the same logic, Sanders margin of victory over HRC was wider with men, so HRC's problem with men probably isn't going away either.

 

[Irish YJ]

Interesting conversation with a friend of mine who immigrated from China when he was younger. He spoke of Trump in a manor similar to Mao Zedong. I'm not a history buff so I just took his word for it. But his main point wasn't that the leader themselves were so horrific, but it was the platform they provided for people to revolt. Being a non-white, immigrant, he worries for his kids what may become of a Trump presidency. Trump himself may back off the hateful rhetoric, but he's already lit the fuse for his supporters to carry on with a mob mentality of hatred towards non-whites. He said even though there are some Trump policies he agrees with, he can't support him out of fear that the risk is too great for a people's revolution, to rise up full of hatred to "take back their country."

Agree or disagree. Just wanted to share.

Good points. I would say though that the sentiment and disgust with certain issues already existed. Trump just tapped into it. It's not like Trump created the platform, he just stood on it.

 

[Irish YJ]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Trump is going to be your president.

 

[RDU Irish]

It's a terrible idea for a White dude to date and or (especially) marry a Hispanic chick....

can confirm.

If I feel sorry for you does it make it better?

 

[gkIrish]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Trump is going to be your president.

I am beginning to think he is going to win. I think anyone but Hillary would beat him but her unfavorables are almost as bad and she doesn't have as strong a base of supporters.

 

[dales5050]

You’re extrapolating something that was never said. It’s not brain surgery – I never said ALL Trump supporters, and I don’t think all of them are racist. But again, I do believe they support his bigotry and enable him (and his supporters) to be that way. It’s pathetic. And not only that, your candidate is a hot mess when it comes to so many foreign and domestic policy issues! That alone should disqualify him for anyone who has half a clue on how this world works. It’s embarrassing.

I said you were painting a picture...which you were.

Trump is not my candidate. Talk about making things up. Never have I said anything close to that and in fact have said the opposite multiple times.

The irony is strong with you.

Ho.Ly.Shit. You really believe that? There's no way you really believe that. For the love f God, tell me you don't really believe that. So above you say it's never OK to be racist, but here you say you understand why. Wow.

That part is deplorable and a clear signal to where you stand and why we are so far apart on this. Sorry, but racism is never understandable to anyone with half a brain IMHO. You treat people based on their own actions, not their looks or where they come from or how a couple of them treated you. I’ll leave it at that before I say something that will get me banned. Peace.

Yes I believe that and you're setting a perfect example of why it's 100% true. You are so scared to venture out of the PC waters... Rather pathetic.

When you see Mexicans burning the US flag, telling US Vets to Fuck Off and saying Fuck America...at a God Damn Immigration protest....it changes how much empathy you have. It creates resentment.

When you see Blacks saying lynching whites, Kill Cops (and a lot of your family are cops) and the like...it creates resentment.

When you have extreme feminists talk about how oppressive white men are, how they need to be silenced, how they can say a rape claim should mark the man as guilty until proven innocent...it creates resentment.


Go back to your #safespace...where you can feel sorry for yourself.

 

[GoIrish41]

I know Ted was disappointed, but ...

Ted Cruz Accidentally Punches And Elbows His Wife In The Face After Dropping Out

 

[Irish YJ]

Bobby Knight priceless on CNN. Calls the host a genius.

Love his comments about not caring for the party, GOP or Dem (when asked if the Don needed to cure the rift). Cares about he country.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Newt Gingrich has been pro trump for awhile, does anybody see him getting a VP nod? He has a bunch of experience and helps keep states like Georgia from getting into contention

 

[GowerND11]

#GaryJohnson2016

 

[RDU Irish]

It's an interesting premise... a type of national gentrification. But I want to push back on the implication that it's somehow the fault of the 1% or the 20% or whatever percentile you want to draw the line at. People who succeed don't succeed to get away from the people who don't. They (dare I say "we") succeed by making good decisions because they're the right decisions to make. Most of us don't succeed by greed, we succeed by accident. The thing I really can't figure out is that it's remarkably easy to be successful, which doesn't seem like it should be the case. Common sense would dictate that routine, ordinary decision-making should put you somewhere around the 50% range, but routine, ordinary decision-making will actually put you well into the upper-middle socioeconomic classes. My father is a factory worker with no college education and my mother is an administrative worker with a degree she earned in her 40s and they're well into the 25th percentile of household income. Two schoolteachers making $43,000 each are also in the 30th percentile. What the hell are the other 70% of people doing when two schoolteachers outearn them?

ETA: Obviously, that's a rhetorical question. What the other 70% of people are doing is getting divorced, getting pregnant at 16, dropping out of school, gambling, drinking, burying themselves in debt, and refusing to work hard.

I just retired after 42 years of teaching. Never reached the top quartile of family earnings. In 1974, I took a $4,000 per year pay cut to accept my first teaching job. I left a factory job hand-sealing cartons of glassware with a paint brush and a bucket of glue to become a teacher. I'm not sure where you're getting your information about teacher salaries, but the vast majority of teachers will never make the kind of money you suggest they do.

Incidentally, my take-home pay for my final year of teaching was approximately $43,000 per year. My take-home pay for my retirement will be approximately $45,000 per year (a combination of a teaching pension and social security benefits). Forty-two years of paying into the teacher pension plan and 47 years of paying into the social security system, and I'm still not in the top quartile. Newly hired teachers (at least in Michigan) have no future at all. The Republican state legislature gutted funding for education and other public service jobs. The result, so far, is lead-contaminated water in Flint and the Detroit Public Schools unable to pay their teachers for work already completed. In both instances, emergency managers appointed by Republican governor, John Snyder, were at the controls. The Republican legislature and the Republican governor have removed the right of local citizens to elect and hold accountable their own leaders. They have no one to blame but themselves.

....re-opening can of worms......

Eddy - I was responding to the comment Wiz made. Granted I didn't fact check his stats but fact remains a COUPLE of teachers can make pretty good money - almost exactly the number per worker as you provided. As you point out - entirely possible to retire with a larger paycheck than when they worked. Good honest work for decent pay and benefits you will rarely find in the private sector, plus two weeks off at Christmas and 10 weeks off over summer. You know the deal when you get into teaching, and with the exception of math and science there are no shortages of applicants. Why again are we expected to feel sorry for people how make these career choices when 70% of families make less and have to coordinate day care during summers, breaks, half days, snow days and everything else?

Point being, make reasonable choices and you can have a long career with job security and retirement security while (hopefully) having a positive impact on kids while making an above average income. Then retire WELL above average - most people have nothing over Social Security. Eddy - you think you have it rough consider those that have to live off half that in retirement, you have options available they can only dream of at this stage of the game. People get so envious of those in front yet completely ignore how many are behind them.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

47 percent of REPUBLICAN women in IN voted for Trump ... 53 percent didn't. His problem with women isn't going away.

Sanders only got 50%, he must be a sexist old man.

 

[RDU Irish]

Newt Gingrich has been pro trump for awhile, does anybody see him getting a VP nod? He has a bunch of experience and helps keep states like Georgia from getting into contention

I think Trump will build a team and promote it. Usually we don't see cabinet until after the election but I think Trump would set a good precedent by naming the team. It would help deflect from his plethora of warts and deflect details. I don't like Newt as VP, too polarizing, but a position somewhere would be wise IMO. Still like Kasich as VP - Rubio would be interesting to bill as an "Apprentice". If he goes complete outsider I don't think it works, he needs someone who can work the machine (Kasich!).

 

[phgreek]

Welp, there goes the GOP. I'm not sure it is such a bad thing BTW. Trump is some Brutal medicine.

Hillary got punched in the mouth in Indiana...the only thing that has hidden the true race is premature super delegate pledges.

Anyone care to venture a guess at the range of quid pro quo provided to these in-the-bag super delegates? If I were a wealthy Bernie supporter, I'd be investigating each of these folks...particularly those in Illinois where the bastion of political corruption meets the Clintons, and where the normal delegates are evenly split, yet the super delegates are RIDICULOUSLY uneven. If I had a team and time, I'd also look hard at California...as there are literally NO, NONE, Zippo super delegates pledged to anyone but Hillary Clinton...Hmmmmm. If politics is dirty...Clinton Politics is a pig farm.

 

[RDU Irish]

The whole premise of the Super Delegate is to save the establishment from folks like Bernie. I don't understand why people are so surprised by Clinton locking down all the Supers when it is exactly what the system is designed to produce?

You can bet the Republican establishment is jealous of the Super Delegate Dems "protecting" them from the shit sandwich they got serve last night.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Why the outcome of the 2016 election is already crystal clear

hard to ignore that math

 

[Shamrock Theories]

That is not how CNN represented it. I agree, but their graph didn't say 47% of Republican. If you use the same logic, Sanders margin of victory over HRC was wider with men, so HRC's problem with men probably isn't going away either.

Average of 7 polls among females:

Clinton: 53%
Trump: 34%

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/02/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-hillary-clinton-doesnt-do-very-/

Clinton currently leads 47% to 41% overall:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

 

[ChicagoCatholic]

Newt Gingrich has been pro trump for awhile, does anybody see him getting a VP nod? He has a bunch of experience and helps keep states like Georgia from getting into contention

If Trump is making choices because he has to defend states like Georgia, the race is already over.

 

[GATTACA!]

If Trump is making choices because he has to defend states like Georgia, the race is already over.

Agreed. Welcome to IE.

I think Trump will go with Rubio. If Clinton wins Florida basically nothing else matters.

 

[irishfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNDrLou">@ESPNDrLou</a> tells me: "what was a democratic years ago is different now" <a href="https://t.co/sSSKMxyD7Y">https://t.co/sSSKMxyD7Y</a></p>— Carol Costello (@CarolCNN) <a href="https://twitter.com/CarolCNN/status/727856945529413633">May 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Haven't seen video, but supposedly he also referred to the 13 million illegal immigrants here as an "invasion."

 

[dublinirish]

lol Lou gonna have to explain himself come election time if he keeps up his Trump support after he donated a bag of cash to Hilary's campaign when she ran in 2008

 

[woolybug25]

lol Lou gonna have to explain himself come election time if he keeps up his Trump support after he donated a bag of cash to Hilary's campaign when she ran in 2008

You really think anyone is gonna give two shitz about what Lou Holtz thinks or did come election time?