Notre Dame AD: NCAA satellite camp ban would face legal scrutiny

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Interesting read on CBS regarding the issue.

Swarbrick takes a shot at the NCAA.

Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs takes a shot at ND, Michigan and PSU with:
“Plus our league has done pretty well as far as recruiting goes as it is. It seems to benefit some schools that may be in the past had a history of success and now don't so they're trying to grow their brand a little bit more. For us, we like where we are.”

To which I reply with:

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IRVING, Texas — The SEC and ACC want a national rule preventing college football coaches from staging satellite camps far off campus. Nick Saban is complaining that satellite camps are “ridiculous.” NCAA president Mark Emmert says the issue will be at the top of the list for the NCAA's Football Oversight Committee.

Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick offers some cautionary advice to the NCAA: Good luck defending yourself against another antitrust lawsuit.

“The NCAA does not have a very good track record of limiting, without losing an antitrust lawsuit, economic opportunities for coaches,” Swarbrick said Tuesday at the College Football Playoff meetings. “So they should be treading very lightly. The perception is these are school opportunities. A lot of these are coach opportunities purely. Imagine a rule that said, as was introduced years ago, coaches couldn't do national televised advertising because it created a recruiting advantage. … I wouldn't want to defend those lawsuits.”

In 2005, there was talk of an NCAA rule to address Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski appearing on television commercials, especially his starring role in an American Express ad. The complaint: It was an unfair recruiting pitch to recruits and parents. As then-NCAA president Myles Brand said at the time about Krzyzewski's appearances, “Even if we had rules, they might be illegal under antitrust issues.”

Back in 1991, the NCAA adopted a restricted-earnings rule that capped salaries for assistants in various sports at $12,000 for the academic year and $4,000 for the summer. Entry-level coaches sued and got a $54.5 million settlement in 1999.

In the case of satellite camps, NCAA rules state that football programs can host camps on their campus, inside their state or within a 50-mile radius of campus. The SEC and ACC don't follow the NCAA provision that allows coaches to “guest coach” at another school's camp to get around the 50-mile radius.

Notre Dame's Brian Kelly and Penn State's James Franklin are among the coaches who have held satellite camps in recent years. Michigan's Jim Harbaugh is taking the practice to a new level this summer by hitting nine satellite camps in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Alabama, Florida, Texas, California and Michigan.

“Camps have been in the past a challenging thing to monitor and keep up with and we've been very successful in our league of doing that so let's don't create a new paradigm for everybody,” Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs said Tuesday. “Plus our league has done pretty well as far as recruiting goes as it is. It seems to benefit some schools that may be in the past had a history of success and now don't so they're trying to grow their brand a little bit more. For us, we like where we are.”

Jacobs said part of the SEC's concern is SEC schools could tread “on each other's turf” with camps. In other words, Gus Malzahn may not go to a Big Ten state for a camp, but he could compete with SEC coaches in an SEC state over satellite camps.

The SEC will discuss at its spring meetings next month how to handle satellite camps if a national rule doesn't restrict where coaches can work. Swarbrick's point: Conferences right now still have the freedom to let their coaches do these camps or not.

“From my perspective, so much of the decisions we make and so much of what we do is designed to promote our institution nationally,” Swarbrick said. “The way we schedule is about that, maintaining football independence is about that, our approach to television is about that. If Brian is interested in doing (satellite camps), I'm all for it because it does exactly that same thing. I've never subscribed to some recruiting advantage attached to it.”

Last week, Harbaugh issued an open invitation to any coach that wants to participate in Michigan's camp in June. Are any SEC coaches taking up the offer?
 

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Most of those SEC schools will hardly ever leave the south the play games in other parts of the country. So of course they are going to knock satellite camps, because they don't feel the need to use them. Guess what guys, not every school operates like the SEC, so get over it.
 

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Most of those SEC schools will hardly ever leave the south the play games in other parts of the country. So of course they are going to knock satellite camps, because they don't feel the need to use them. Guess what guys, not every school operates like the SEC, so get over it.


I found it amusing that the Auburn AD claimed that the SEC does a good job of monitoring things.

They are still looking for the bag man for Cam.

Everyone knows the play here. It's going to be good for norther schools and hurt the conference riders in the South.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DI Council also approves rule requiring FBS camps and clinics be conducted on a school's campus or in regular facilities.</p>— NCAA (@NCAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/NCAA/status/718478089437585408">April 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Ooh I hope we see an unholy alliance of Jack Swarbrick and Jim Harbaugh raining sweet legal hellfire on the NCAA.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DI Council also approves rule requiring FBS camps and clinics be conducted on a school's campus or in regular facilities.</p>— NCAA (@NCAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/NCAA/status/718478089437585408">April 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Or in regular facilities? Could that mean any football practice field?
 

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Yeah, it states that they can only practice in facilities that they regularly use for practices/games.

I haven't completely read into it yet, but I wonder what the designation for regular is. Will this ruling effect having fall camp at Culver Academy?
 

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Yeah, it states that they can only practice in facilities that they regularly use for practices/games.

I haven't completely read into it yet, but I wonder what the designation for regular is. Will this ruling effect having fall camp at Culver Academy?

I am assuming NO as satellite camps are for recruiting and Culver is just the team
 

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All satellite camps are banned effective immediately!

This new rule change hurts teams outside the power 5 but hurts the athletes that would be attending those schools more as it limits their exposure.
 

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All satellite camps are banned effective immediately!

This new rule change hurts teams outside the power 5 but hurts the athletes that would be attending those schools more as it limits their exposure.

Why I hate the SEC... they get scared of Urban and Harbaugh running camps in their recruiting base.. Demand they get banned, and when it does, people like Hugh Freeze says NCAA needs to change it to allow non power 5 schools to still be allowed for "the student athletes".. C'mon...

I hate the SEC with every fiber of my being
 

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Ham-fisted satellite camp ban creates unintended mess for coaches (from Andy Staples)

I’ve told you for a year that the satellite camp argument was one of the stupidest in the long and storied history of stupid NCAA rule arguments. It came to the stupidest logical conclusion Friday when a vote that should have been 11–4—because each Power Five conference vote counts double—against the ban came out 10–5 in favor of the ban. Maybe schools were more worried about keeping Jim Harbaugh and the Michigan coaches from working camps in Birmingham, Atlanta, Dallas and South Florida than they were about what was best for them. Maybe the people voting didn’t think hard enough about the consequences. Maybe they simply weren’t very bright. Maybe they had political reasons for standing with the ACC and SEC, which were trying to defend their turf.*

*I have zero problem with the ACC and SEC seeking a ban. Entities are supposed to act in their own best interests. My problem is with the Big 12, Pac-12, Sun Belt and Mountain West, which did not. Usually, people who vote opposite their own interests are stupid, corrupt or a combination of the two.

Meanwhile, one Power Five coach said his league voted against the wishes of most of the schools in his league. In an interview Monday with myself and Jack Arute on Playbook on SiriusXM’s College Sports Nation, Washington State coach Mike Leach said most schools in the Pac-12 were for satellite camps. ESPN’s Brett McMurphy previously reported that the Pac-12 voted in favor of the ban, and Leach isn’t sure how that could have happened. Common sense dictates that only UCLA, USC and maybe Arizona State would want to ban such camps to protect their recruiting turf. The Pac-12’s representative on the Division I management council is UCLA athletic director Dan Guerrero. A UCLA spokesman said Guerrero would not be made available to explain the Pac-12’s vote and that all questions should be referred to Northwestern athletic director Jim Phillips, the acting spokesman for the committee.

One solution mentioned:
• Group of Five assistants could file an antitrust suit against the NCAA, the SEC, the ACC and all the other leagues that voted for the ban. Because lower-level coaches are paid to work the camps, they could claim these entities colluded to take away an opportunity for them to earn money that the entities would have paid to them without the ban. If you don’t believe this would work, read about what happened when the schools tried to use NCAA rules to cap certain coaches’ earnings.
 
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Mike and Mike made a good point on this today... of all the shit the NCAA and it's member schools can deal with... academic fraud, steroid and HGH use, concussions... THIS is the issue they decide to basically have an emergency meeting on and address... Over the past few seasons my love of cfb has lessened and this is just another blow... I'll always love my Irish but I'm def a NFL guy now for the first time in my life... at least they are supposed to be all about the money and win at all costs. The fact that cfb should be about more and simply isn't is turning me off more and more.
 

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Mike and Mike made a good point on this today... of all the shit the NCAA and it's member schools can deal with... academic fraud, steroid and HGH use, concussions... THIS is the issue they decide to basically have an emergency meeting on and address... Over the past few seasons my love of cfb has lessened and this is just another blow... I'll always love my Irish but I'm def a NFL guy now for the first time in my life... at least they are supposed to be all about the money and win at all costs. The fact that cfb should be about more and simply isn't is turning me off more and more.


The concussion issue will be the death of football as we know it.
 

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NFL is less corrupt and more ethical then modern semi-pro major "college" football.
 

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NFL is less corrupt and more ethical then modern semi-pro major "college" football.

Because they pass the buck.

If you waived the "3 years from graduation rule" that the NFL has, a good number of issues the NCAA faces would just disappear.

The NCAA is a joke, but they're just a face. If you think the conferences actually want to get rid of them, you're crazy. They are who you point the finger at, who all the blame goes to. With them at the center of public attention, the schools and conferences can do as they please. They can stonewall the NCAA at every turn (I was going to list teams here, but there is just no point) and then cry foul about how it's hurting the kids.

They have some indefensible rules. Problem is, any laxation (is that a word?) of those rules gets taken advantage of to the extreme. They try, they just can't win.
 

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Jack needs to bring the beard back, shave his head. He just went straight Heisenberg on the NCAA's pasty asses. Tread lightly b*tches.
 

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There is supposed to be an announcement on Friday regarding this. Expected to reverse the earlier vote. Nothing gets press for the NCAA like DOJ investigations.
 

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Don't come to me now and say you were not sufficiently warned of the consequences of your actions.

Don't you remember
“The NCAA does not have a very good track record of limiting, without losing an antitrust lawsuit, economic opportunities for coaches. So they should be treading very lightly. The perception is these are school opportunities. A lot of these are coach opportunities purely. Imagine a rule that said, as was introduced years ago, coaches couldn't do national televised advertising because it created a recruiting advantage. … I wouldn't want to defend those lawsuits.”
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Amazing" to me- Alabama broke NCAA rules & now their HC is lecturing us on the possibility of rules being broken at camps. Truly "amazing."</p>— Coach Harbaugh (@CoachJim4UM) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachJim4UM/status/737800130666057728">June 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Amazing" to me- Alabama broke NCAA rules & now their HC is lecturing us on the possibility of rules being broken at camps. Truly "amazing."</p>— Coach Harbaugh (@CoachJim4UM) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachJim4UM/status/737800130666057728">June 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Although he coaches @ Michigan the Harbaugh circus is awesome.
 

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Most of those SEC schools will hardly ever leave the south the play games in other parts of the country. So of course they are going to knock satellite camps, because they don't feel the need to use them. Guess what guys, not every school operates like the SEC, so get over it.

Yep. The other thing that has me puzzled is the student part of this thing. Are student athletes better or worse off for having a chance to work with multiple coaches, get noticed, forge numerous relationships, and ultimately determine where to attend school from a list of tangible knowns. This restriction business seems not to serve students in this process...and I get why the SEC likes the things as they are.
 

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Yep. The other thing that has me puzzled is the student part of this thing. Are student athletes better or worse off for having a chance to work with multiple coaches, get noticed, forge numerous relationships, and ultimately determine where to attend school from a list of tangible knowns. This restriction business seems not to serve students in this process...and I get why the SEC likes the things as they are.

SEC schools really don't care about the "student" part when it comes to football recruiting. Camps will give a lot of these kids a chance to experience a little bit of college football outside of the SEC and the SEC schools don't want to expand the competition beyond the SEC borders.
 
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