'14 IL ILB Nyles Morgan (Notre Dame Signee)

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Bogtrotter07

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Certainly didn't mean for it to read like that. My point is just that a lot of times, people that are affiliated with the university and that cover the games, hand down the same coach speak that they hear in interviews. Reggie Brooks is a perfect example of that.

Very legitimate question here: who exactly was Joe Schmidt responsible for lining up correctly last year? ND had upperclassmen all across the defensive line, veteran experience and a first round pick along side him, and juniors and seniors behind him in the secondary. Where was he making changes? Outside of the typical pre-snap communication, I don't recall Schmidt doing a whole lot of redirecting.

Other than Jaylon Smith, Isaac Rochell, and a couple of defensive backs, everybody. Maybe not James Onwualu, but Schmidt often cleared things up for Smith and Onwualu.

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I need answers for this too. I just don't believe NO ONE ELSE on the field didn't know where to line up. Not believing it.

I think it actually has more to do with reads, and adjustments. Like for different formations.
 
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If you want to argue that Joe Schmidt was not a good LB last season, you might as well go lock yourself in the bathroom and talk to yourself. I don't think anyone is going to argue that he was.

There's no argument, he just wasn't. That's also not what I just asked but thank you for quoting another one of my posts and not responding with anything worth a second look.

I'm done talking about it all together. I've stated everything I think on the matter and I stand by it. There were far more instances of Joe being out of place and missing assignments than there were of him lining anyone up correctly. That excuse just flat doesn't work with me. It's also irrelevant moving forward so here's to hoping Nyles stays healthy and plays like the player he would have last year with more first team reps.

ISD Power Hour this week has a great segment on Nyles and the staff seems to feel very similar to how I feel about the situation. They're obviously no Reggie Brooks, but they bring a lot of really good points to the table. Worth a listen if you have the time.
 

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I'm done talking about it all together. I've stated everything I think on the matter and I stand by it. There were far more instances of Joe being out of place and missing assignments than there were of him lining anyone up correctly.

Well, I never made the assertion that he did get everyone lined up right. I said that the argument that he was constantly out of position just doesn't line up with any analyst's opinion that I have heard so far. And that doesn't even really matter.......... this is Nyles' thread, not Joe's. I merely pointed out that all of the coaches who are raving about his play this Spring are also talking about how improved he is. Meaning that he wasn't playing at this level last year. So it's not like this Spring is any indictment of his lack of playing time last year.
 

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Unless one of you has a time machine...who gives a fuck!! Can we let this go and maybe talk about Nyles potential and what we see in him moving forward? Can't change what happened last year and this has become the biggest "beat the dead horse" conversation on this board. yada yada yada Joe sucked..yada yada yada Nyles should have played. No one knows why he didn't play and all the speculation in the world will not provide an answer. Whether he was in the doghouse, needed to get his ego in check, needed to listen to coaching, truly wasn't ready...it doesn't matter. The great point is that it appears he is looking great now and could be the player we all hoped he would become when he committed. I understand this is a discussion forum, but two pages of hijacking his thread going on and on about the same shit being discussed all last season does not help when people come here to see what is going on with Nyles. I for one am looking forward to seeing if he is the real deal and have moved on. Hopefully everyone else can do the same.
 

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Well, I never made the assertion that he did get everyone lined up right. I said that the argument that he was constantly out of position just doesn't line up with any analyst's opinion that I have heard so far. And that doesn't even really matter.......... this is Nyles' thread, not Joe's. I merely pointed out that all of the coaches who are raving about his play this Spring are also talking about how improved he is. Meaning that he wasn't playing at this level last year. So it's not like this Spring is any indictment of his lack of playing time last year.

We're left to decide for ourselves then which side of the narrative you want to believe. One is that the same guy who looked sometimes pretty good as a true freshman somehow either regressed significantly and needed another year of coaching or the coaches made a very bad judgment call, based on our somewhat limited look at only games. This coaches are either geniuses who coached a special teamer into a star or too proud or blind to see what everyone else saw.

The way I see it, the coaches screwed up on this and knew it and were too stubborn to admit it. Our starting MLB this year has very limited minutes. He should have had more. He is just obviously a better football player than Joe. Guys like me believe based on our inexplicably small sample size of evidence Morgan could have really good last year. And when the guy in front of him on the depth chart played so poorly it looked like a coaching mistake and maybe a dash of coaching arrogance. What we saw in Morgan's freshman year was already better than anything we saw from Joe last year.
 
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You can opine that Joe should have started over Morgan, and that's hard to argue (although I would have started Morgan).

But no one can argue that Morgan shouldn't have had packages or at least seen snaps to learn on the job and relieve Joe when his performance went from below average to bad. That's how you grow depth - let the young guys get their feet wet in short samples of live action. Morgan (literally?) did not take a snap at MLB last year. That's unacceptable and inarguable.

Even if Morgan is a stud this year, Coney/Barajas should be getting a few snaps a game to get used to the speed.
 
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You can opine that Joe should have started over Morgan, and that's hard to argue (although I would have started Morgan).

But no one can argue that Morgan shouldn't have had packages or at least seen snaps to learn on the job and relieve Joe when his performance went from below average to bad. That's how you grow depth - let the young guys get their feet wet in short samples of live action. Morgan (literally?) did not take a snap at MLB last year. That's unacceptable and inarguable.

Even if Morgan is a stud this year, Coney/Barajas should be getting a few snaps a game to get used to the speed.



I have a good feeling Coney will be starting this year Koon.
 

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If we needed Joe Schmidt to line up the entire defense just for us to perform at an average level last year, we are going to get destroyed this year. What will ever do without him?
 

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You guys do realize that we won 10 games last year, don't you? To hear some of you talk about the defense, you would think that we never held a team under 70 points.
 

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If we needed Joe Schmidt to line up the entire defense just for us to perform at an average level last year, we are going to get destroyed this year. What will ever do without him?



It was his pre-game scream more than his lining-up skills that locked him into the starting role, imo.
 

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You guys do realize that we won 10 games last year, don't you? To hear some of you talk about the defense, you would think that we never held a team under 70 points.

Just the 7 th worst in school history. Big improvement from BVG 's rookie year when he achieved statistical rock bottom and had the worst defense in nd history. Pretty amazing considering it was loaded with 4 stars . I hope BVG gets it done this year and I eat crow, but our defense has been just awful.
 

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Does anyone have a read if all the spring buzz on Nyles has real merit or is it a case of Kelly trying to build a kid's confidence?
 

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Does anyone have a read if all the spring buzz on Nyles has real merit or is it a case of Kelly trying to build a kid's confidence?

It's not just BK saying it. The reports are coming from all of the beat guys covering practices. It's pretty clear in the highlight clips as well.
 

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Just the 7 th worst in school history. Big improvement from BVG 's rookie year when he achieved statistical rock bottom and had the worst defense in nd history. Pretty amazing considering it was loaded with 4 stars . I hope BVG gets it done this year and I eat crow, but our defense has been just awful.



No shit? I didn't realize it was that bad.
 

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Oh hey, this Joe/Nyles debate is still going on tonight?

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but our defense has been just awful.

They were in the top half of the country in Scoring Defense (#39 in the country) and Total Defense (#45 in the country) this past season.

They aren't "really good", but they weren't "just awful" either.

Considering the revolution going on in college offenses, I would expect modern day defenses to be worst, statistically, than most of our defenses from years gone by.
 
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Does anyone have a read if all the spring buzz on Nyles has real merit or is it a case of Kelly trying to build a kid's confidence?

It's not just BK saying it. The reports are coming from all of the beat guys covering practices. It's pretty clear in the highlight clips as well.

It does have merit.

Productivity sounded like the name of Morgan’s game on Saturday. Here’s a quick tidbit on Morgan from Bryan Driskell’s practice report at BlueandGold.com:

“Junior linebacker Nyles Morgan was arguably the team’s most impressive performer during practice. There is no doubt he was the top performer on defense. Morgan was dominant during the inside run drills by quickly diagnosing the play, beating blockers to the point of attack and arriving at the ball carrier at or behind the line of scrimmage. Morgan spent the entire practice around the football.

His instincts against the run were impressive, as was his ability to diagnose between run and pass during team periods. On a sprint out during the final team period, quarterback DeShone Kizer was rolling to his right and Morgan read the play perfectly, flew through his gap and blew up running back Justin Brent, who was the secondary contain blocker. Morgan also blew up quarterback Malik Zaire on a speed option play in which he made a decisive read and used his top-notch speed to quickly arrive into the backfield.

Morgan was very good in coverage. He quickly reads crosses and takes good angles to the ball. He had good depth on his zone drops and played the ball well. The only time he got beat was by sophomore tight end Alize Jones on a red zone corner route, but Kizer missed long.”​
That should be music to the ears of Irish fans, and a huge piece of the 2016 defensive puzzle moving forward.
 

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It does have merit.

Driskell has been high on Morgan since he was a recruit. And he openly criticised Joe multiple times for his ability and lack of athleticism. Not sure he is the most neutral of observers to judge Nyles' progress this spring :)
 

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Driskell has been high on Morgan since he was a recruit. And he openly criticised Joe multiple times for his ability and lack of athleticism. Not sure he is the most neutral of observers to judge Nyles' progress this spring :)

All of the guys over at ISD had very similar thoughts.
 

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Oh hey, this Joe/Nyles debate is still going on tonight?

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Of course and it will continue to be brought up for days, weeks, months, years and decades to come.

Fast forward 2015............."Koon, I'm still pissed BVG didn't give Morgan some of Schmidt's reps his sophomore season. That cost us a shot at the NC in the '15-'16 season."
 
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Driskell has been high on Morgan since he was a recruit. And he openly criticised Joe multiple times for his ability and lack of athleticism. Not sure he is the most neutral of observers to judge Nyles' progress this spring :)


It's happening. It's really, really happening. The coaching staff hasn't been shy this spring about talking up Morgan and Saturday the media became believers that he's on his way to living up to his lofty recruiting hype. Morgan has command of the defense, ease communicating and calling the plays, and was all over the field making plays.

Per our man, the Rocket! (EM)
 

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You guys do realize that we won 10 games last year, don't you? To hear some of you talk about the defense, you would think that we never held a team under 70 points.

You realize we've not been in the top 20 of any defensive statistic in the last two years? To hear some of you talk about the defense, you would think we never give up more than 7 points a game.

That was easy.
 

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Of course and it will continue to be brought up for days, weeks, months, years and decades to come.

Fast forward 2015............."Koon, I'm still pissed BVG didn't give Morgan some of Schmidt's reps his sophomore season. That cost us a shot at the NC in the '15-'16 season."

I know the latest ILB recruits were worried if they came ND they would be playing in the shadows of the resent greats (Manti and Jaylon), but who would have guessed they would have to worry about being compared to Joe for the entirety of their carrier.
 
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You realize we've not been in the top 20 of any defensive statistic in the last two years? To hear some of you talk about the defense, you would think we never give up more than 7 points a game.

That was easy.

I made that comment in direct response to someone saying that our defense has been "just awful." I never said that they were great. If I had, then your retort above might have some meaning. But I didn't, so it doesn't.
 
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I'm afraid to post the vibe I got from listening to ISD about this guy. They've only seen him in practice, but they make it sound like he could be better than a couple of recent LBs we've had.
 

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I'm afraid to post the vibe I got from listening to ISD about this guy. They've only seen him in practice, but they make it sound like he could be better than a couple of recent LBs we've had.

The guys at Scout actually had a similar comment the other day. I was very surprised
 
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