2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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wizards8507

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If you really want to see a shit-show-circus:

HRC gets indicted. Drops out.
Brokered convention and they pick Kasich.
Trump gets pissed and runs 3rd party.

Bernie vs Kasich vs Trump = Bernie Sanders next POTUS. That'd be some crazy level 10 shit right there. Won't happen. But damn. The drama.
Bernie wouldn't be POTUS in that situation. Trump would be viable to the point of actually winning states. Nobody would get to 270 electoral votes. The house would elect Kasich and the new Democrat senate would pick Bernie's running mate for VP. So it could, in theory, be Kasich-Warren.
 

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Bernie wouldn't be POTUS in that situation. Trump would be viable to the point of actually winning states. Nobody would get to 270 electoral votes. The house would elect Kasich and the new Democrat senate would pick Bernie's running mate for VP. So it could, in theory, be Kasich-Warren.

What a shit show though, right?

I think Bernie would take enough states. Drumpf and Kasich would duke it out for some red states. Just my opinion though.
 
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Bernie wouldn't be POTUS in that situation. Trump would be viable to the point of actually winning states. Nobody would get to 270 electoral votes. The house would elect Kasich and the new Democrat senate would pick Bernie's running mate for VP. So it could, in theory, be Kasich-Warren.

Trump and Kasich would split the Republican vote allowing Bernie to win some states Democrats don't ordinarily win. Bernie would also win the states that always go Democratic. In this situation, Bernie does not have a majority of the popular vote but he easily wins the electoral vote. It would parallel the 2000 election when Ralph Nader's candidacy attracted enough of the Democratic vote (especially in Florida) to allow Bush to win the election with fewer actual votes than Al Gore. Kasich wouldn't even be able to win his own state of Ohio if Trump could attract as little as 5-10% of the Republican vote.
 

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Can Donald Trump get to 1,237 delegates? - CNNPolitics.com

CNN)Ted Cruz and John Kasich will need a political earthquake to slow Donald Trump.

To stop the billionaire from hitting, or coming very close to, the magic number of 1,237 delegates needed to seal the Republican nomination and to raise the prospect of a contested convention, they must do more than simply start snapping up victories in the remaining nominating contests: They must fundamentally reshape the political map.
Cruz, the Texas senator seen as extreme by many mainstream voters, would suddenly have to start appealing to moderates. And Kasich, the Ohio governor branded a RINO (Republican in Name Only) by many grass-roots activists must suddenly find an invisible connection to conservatives.
And even if that worked, both men would have to start winning big in precincts and entire states that look nothing like those where they have had success so far.

"If things continue on the same trajectory that they are on right now. Trump is going to get to 1,237 delegates or awfully close to 1,237," said University of Georgia Professor Joshua Putnam, an expert of the delegate math and publisher of the Frontloading Hq blog.

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Map favors Trump, Kasich
The system of doling out delegates in each state -- some are winner take all, some are proportionately awarded, and some have intricate hybrid distribution formulas -- is so complicated it's just not possible to say how the math will play out.
Trump's exact final number could depend on whether he reaches 50% thresholds some states and congressional districts require for a winner take all distribution of their delegates.

A key reason why Trump has such a strong advantage is the makeup of the remaining states.
Many of them have characteristics that favor the reality star, for example, because they are in northeast with crops of less ideological, lower middle class and working class voters, where he has done well so far this convention season. So, the billionaire is confident of prospering in New York, Connecticut, Maryland, Pennsylvania, California and New Jersey for example.

The long and winding road to the Republican nomination

"No one has yet been able to reduce Donald Trump's percentage of the vote," said Henry Olsen, an elections analyst at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. "Assuming that continues, "Cruz either needs to start appealing to moderates, or Kasich needs to start appealing to conservatives. Neither has been able to do that at all. Neither seems to be showing an inclination to really try."
Olsen says the headache for party figures desperate to stop Trump is that neither Cruz, nor Kasich have the cross-over appeal to consolidate all opposition to the former reality star.

"The fundamental problem is that Kasich does not appeal to conservatives in a two-person race -- there are a substantial number of conservatives that prefer Trump to Kasich. Then, moderates in places like Wisconsin that permit non Republicans to vote tend not to like Cruz."

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The thing that gives it credibility to me is the #TheThing that Rubio supporters were talking about and the fact that Kasich is still in. This would be really devastating for conservatism and Christianity if true.

Sent from my Galaxy Note4 using Tapatalk.

I thought we weren't supposed to base a religion on one or a few...
 

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Analysis of Donald Trump’s Health Care Plan

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump recently released a health care reform plan entitled “Healthcare Reform to Make America Great Again.” This plan has two major components. First, it would fully repeal the Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”) and replace it with several new policies. Second, it would turn Medicaid into a “block grant” program.

By our estimates, Mr. Trump’s plan to repeal and replace Obamacare would cost roughly $270 billion over ten years including estimates of faster economic growth, and nearly $500 billion under conventional scoring.

The policies would cause almost 21 million people to lose their insurance coverage, as the replacement health care policies would only cover 5 percent of the 22 million individuals who would lose coverage upon the repeal of Obamacare. This would almost double the number of Americans without health insurance.

The stunning ignorance of Trump's health care plan
One cannot help feeling a bit silly taking seriously the policy proposals of a person who seems not to take policy seriously himself. Donald Trump's policy positions have evolved faster over the years than a teenager's moods. He was for a woman's right to choose; now he is against it. He was for a wealth tax to pay off the national debt before proposing a tax plan that would enrich the wealthy and balloon the national debt. He was for universal health care but opposed to any practical way to achieve it.

Based on his previous flexibility, Trump's here-today proposals may well be gone tomorrow. As a sometime-Democrat, sometime-Republican, sometime-independent, who is now the leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, Trump has just issued his latest pronouncements on health care policy. So, what the hell, let's give them more respect than he has given his own past policy statements.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, those earlier pronouncements are notable for their detachment from fact and lack of internal logic. The one-time supporter of universal health care now joins other candidates in his newly-embraced party in calling for repeal of the only serious legislative attempt in American history to move toward universal coverage, the Affordable Care Act. Among his stated reasons for repeal, he alleges that the act has "resulted in runaway costs," promoted health care rationing, reduced competition and narrowed choice.

Each of these statements is clearly and demonstrably false.
 
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The NYT's David Brooks just published an article titled "The Post-Trump Era":

This is a wonderful moment to be a conservative. For decades now the Republican Party has been groaning under the Reagan orthodoxy, which was right for the 1980s but has become increasingly obsolete. The Reagan worldview was based on the idea that a rising economic tide would lift all boats. But that’s clearly no longer true.

We’ve gone from Rising Tide America to Coming Apart America. Technological change, globalization and social and family breakdown mean that the benefits of growth, to the extent there is growth, are not widely shared.

Republicans sort of recognize this reality, but they are still imprisoned in the Reaganite model. They ask Reaganite questions, propose Reaganite policies and have Reaganite instincts.

Now along comes Donald Trump, an angel of destruction, to blow it all to smithereens. He represents not only a rejection of the existing Reaganite establishment, but also a rejection of Reaganite foreign policy (he is less globalist) and Reaganite domestic policy (he is friendlier to the state).

Trumpism will not replace Reaganism, though. Trump is prompting what Thomas Kuhn, in his theory of scientific revolutions, called a model crisis.

According to Kuhn, intellectual progress is not steady and gradual. It’s marked by sudden paradigm shifts. There’s a period of normal science when everybody embraces a paradigm that seems to be working. Then there’s a period of model drift: As years go by, anomalies accumulate and the model begins to seem creaky and flawed.

Then there’s a model crisis, when the whole thing collapses. Attempts to patch up the model fail. Everybody is in anguish, but nobody knows what to do.

That’s where the Republican Party is right now. Everybody talks about being so depressed about Trump. But Republicans are passive and psychologically defeated. That’s because their conscious and unconscious mental frameworks have just stopped working. Trump has a monopoly on audacity, while everyone else is immobile.

But Trump has no actual ideas or policies. There is no army of Trumpists out there to carry on his legacy. He will almost certainly go down to a devastating defeat, either in the general election or — God help us — as the worst president in American history.

At that point the G.O.P. will enter what Kuhn called the revolution phase. During these moments you get a proliferation of competing approaches, a willingness to try anything. People ask different questions, speak a different language, congregate around a new paradigm that is incommensurate with the last.

That’s where the G.O.P. is heading. So this is a moment of anticipation. The great question is not, Should I vote for Hillary or sit out this campaign? The great question is, How do I prepare now for the post-Trump era?

The first step clearly is mental purging: casting aside many existing mental categories and presuppositions, to shift your identity from one with a fixed mind-set to one in which you are a seeker and open to anything. The second step is probably embedding: going out and seeing America again with fresh eyes and listening to American voices with fresh ears, paying special attention to that nexus where the struggles of Trump supporters overlap with the struggles of immigrants and African-Americans.

This is a moment for honesty. Valuably, Trump has exposed the rottenness of the consultant culture, and the squirrelly way politicians now talk to us. This is a moment for revived American nationalism. Trump’s closed, ethnic nationalism is dominant because Iraq, globalization and broken immigration policies have discredited the expansive open form of nationalism that usually dominates American culture.

This is also a moment for redefined compassion. Trump is loveless. There is no room for reciprocity and love in his worldview. There is just winning or losing, beating or being beaten.

It is as if he was a person who received no love and tried to compensate through competition. That is an ugly, freakish and untenable representation of the human condition. Somehow the Republican Party will have to rediscover a language of loving thy neighbor, which is a primary ideal in our culture, and a primary longing of the heart.

This is also a moment for sociology. Reaganism was very economic, built around tax policies, enterprise zones and the conception of the human being as a rational, utility-driven individual. The Adam Smith necktie was the emblem of that movement.

It might be time to invest in Émile Durkheim neckties, because today’s problems relate to binding a fragmenting society, reweaving family and social connections, relating across the diversity of a globalized world. Homo economicus is a myth and conservatism needs a worldview that is accurate about human nature.

We’re going to have two parties in this country. One will be a Democratic Party that is moving left. The other will be a Republican Party. Nobody knows what it will be, but it’s exciting to be present at the re-creation.
 

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Wanted to post these two vids and get some insight. Interview with Col. Larry Wilkerson. Chief of Staff to Colin Powell during GW era. (Admittedly, I don't know much about him. But I did find what he had to say during this brief interview enlightening to the extent that "The world is changing and America is changing with it."

The funny thing is at times, you can defend Trump (Col. Wilkerson brings up valid points). But he reminds us how dangerous he is. Trump has been excellent at calling out the Bush admin (esp about Iraq and 9/11). Trump is also the anti-establishment candidate. To the extent that a lot of people think he's just trolling the Republican Party. True Conservatives know that Trump is not Conservative at all. I find it so ironic and hypocritical at the support from so-called "non-racist" Trump supporters. Trump IS NOT a true Republican. Hell I don't think Trump even knows what he is. He flip-flops so much and panders to his crowds so often, he can't possibly know. Yet these supporters full-on believe that he is the best R candidate out there. That level of ignorance is incredible.

Watch the vids for yourself. I'm curious what you all may have to say regarding Wilkerson's thoughts about Trump/Cruz and the R party in general as well as his opinions of Bernie and HRC.

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When I saw that Whiskey had posted in here, I was hoping that he was commenting on the Ted Cruz #SexScandal.
 

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When I saw that Whiskey had posted in here, I was hoping that he was commenting on the Ted Cruz #SexScandal.

What's to say? Cruz repulses me, so it would confirm my intuition about his character; but the danger of confirmation bias is also why I'm going to withhold judgment until more reputable news outlets have a chance to vet the story.

Regardless, put not your trust in princes.
 

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If they broke the story and it's legit, they deserve the credit. Even a broken clock gets credit for being right twice a day. Just my .02

4chan already identified 3/5

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So I've been listening to The Young Turks online newcast for awhile now. Great Progressive news show. Flat out dominates any other news outlet online (Fox, CNN, WSJ, Huff Post, Politico, you name it...). They base their shows on presenting viewers/listeners with the facts first and then judge the subject matter accordingly. The host/owner, Cenk Uygur, is "old-school" in respect to how much he values investigative reporting (something he says most mainstream news outlets have actually done away with from an actual employee job title perspective). He focuses on facts first with ratings being a distant second.

Ok so with that said, they're big Bernie supporters. They try not to let their bias get in the way, but lets face it, they're a Progressive news show. Anyways, they've been trying to get Bernie on for an interview since he announced his candidacy and it took 1) a petition started by a fan that reached 17,000 sigs in less than a day and 2) an opening on Bernie's California campaigning schedule to make it happen. Bernie came in and sat with Cenk for an epic, live, 30-40 minute interview.

Fox News used some of that interview recently to discuss how Bernie bashed HRC. Which brings me to the overall point of my post:

Bernie basically said (paraphrasing) that, in the event he loses, he will withold his endorsement from HRC and use his supporters as leverage to pull HRC further Left. (If you're a Democrat, you absolutely want him to do this w/o question.) Here's why this is so important: HRC, as I mentioned in my above post, is the Establishment candidate. She's center-left/center-right. She is NOT a Progressive (eventhough she's telling voters that she is). If she refuses to work with Bernie on some key issues, he's not going to endorse her, and there's a very good chance that his voters will stay home. There's also reports of some of his supporters ditching her and voting Trump just to maintain the anti-establishment sentiment (eventhough I'm sure Bernie would not recommend that mindset). Anyways, I digress. The point is, Bernie is doing what he can to get HRC to quit being a snake oil, lying politician and actually do something that benefits the Democratic party --> Making it the Party of the People and not just the wealthy donors.

Quick example: In L.A. there were two gatherings. Bernie's - Free admission. HRC's - $100,000 per couple. Hmmm....doesn't seem like HRC represents typical middle class Democrats to me.

If it comes down to Trump and Bernie...I'm pretty sure I'd have to be a socialist for four years...Ugh! If it comes down to Trump and Hillary, I'd have to Vote Trump, and then hop in my shelter for 4 years. Or figure out a way to write someone in for either of those cases. BTW, I saw Ryan's speech the other day...methinks he is angling to get in this game if there is a brokered convention...and I could live with Ryan, prefer Kasich, but know, at this point, whomever is chosen that isn't Trump may well bring riots...
 

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Trump and Kasich would split the Republican vote allowing Bernie to win some states Democrats don't ordinarily win. Bernie would also win the states that always go Democratic. In this situation, Bernie does not have a majority of the popular vote but he easily wins the electoral vote. It would parallel the 2000 election when Ralph Nader's candidacy attracted enough of the Democratic vote (especially in Florida) to allow Bush to win the election with fewer actual votes than Al Gore. Kasich wouldn't even be able to win his own state of Ohio if Trump could attract as little as 5-10% of the Republican vote.
You're underestimating Trump's crossover appeal. White blue collar Dems will be all about him.
 

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So I've been listening to The Young Turks online newcast for awhile now. Great Progressive news show. Flat out dominates any other news outlet online (Fox, CNN, WSJ, Huff Post, Politico, you name it...). They base their shows on presenting viewers/listeners with the facts first and then judge the subject matter accordingly. The host/owner, Cenk Uygur, is "old-school" in respect to how much he values investigative reporting (something he says most mainstream news outlets have actually done away with from an actual employee job title perspective). He focuses on facts first with ratings being a distant second.

Ok so with that said, they're big Bernie supporters. They try not to let their bias get in the way, but lets face it, they're a Progressive news show. Anyways, they've been trying to get Bernie on for an interview since he announced his candidacy and it took 1) a petition started by a fan that reached 17,000 sigs in less than a day and 2) an opening on Bernie's California campaigning schedule to make it happen. Bernie came in and sat with Cenk for an epic, live, 30-40 minute interview.

Fox News used some of that interview recently to discuss how Bernie bashed HRC. Which brings me to the overall point of my post:

Bernie basically said (paraphrasing) that, in the event he loses, he will withold his endorsement from HRC and use his supporters as leverage to pull HRC further Left. (If you're a Democrat, you absolutely want him to do this w/o question.) Here's why this is so important: HRC, as I mentioned in my above post, is the Establishment candidate. She's center-left/center-right. She is NOT a Progressive (eventhough she's telling voters that she is). If she refuses to work with Bernie on some key issues, he's not going to endorse her, and there's a very good chance that his voters will stay home. There's also reports of some of his supporters ditching her and voting Trump just to maintain the anti-establishment sentiment (eventhough I'm sure Bernie would not recommend that mindset). Anyways, I digress. The point is, Bernie is doing what he can to get HRC to quit being a snake oil, lying politician and actually do something that benefits the Democratic party --> Making it the Party of the People and not just the wealthy donors.

Quick example: In L.A. there were two gatherings. Bernie's - Free admission. HRC's - $100,000 per couple. Hmmm....doesn't seem like HRC represents typical middle class Democrats to me.
Wait. Hillary is a lying snake oil saleswoman? But she's used those exact words to describe Donald Trump! What's going on here? Who am I to believe?? (italics, everywhere)
 

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Feel like there's more that goes into it than this though. There are a lot of Bernie supporters who dislike Clinton more than Trump and who will probably sit at home. Likewise I'm sure there are people who will take a look at their tax proposals and go Trump over Bernie if that is the race. There's also primaries where people can vote for either party when they show up (I know New Hampshire is one...some other Midwest state I know does this also) and others were those Dems showing up at their primaries can only vote for a Dem.

I'm sure he won't win a state like Mass, but I bet he would have a chance in a state like Michigan.
 

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If the story is true, Ted is just another holier than thou, conservative, family values phony. There seems to be a lot of them out there.
I'm really starting to believe that's there an inverse correlation regarding religious conservatives and their true morals.

Each time of one these crazies makes a fool of themselves, it gives the liberal movement more fire power.

It seems hard to find a candidate who's a truely religious person, humble, and opposed to the 1%. That's who I want out of my candidate, anyway.
 

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Here's a review of The Art of the Deal that gives you a lot of insight into Trump's mentality.
 

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Feel like there's more that goes into it than this though. There are a lot of Bernie supporters who dislike Clinton more than Trump and who will probably sit at home. Likewise I'm sure there are people who will take a look at their tax proposals and go Trump over Bernie if that is the race. There's also primaries where people can vote for either party when they show up (I know New Hampshire is one...some other Midwest state I know does this also) and others were those Dems showing up at their primaries can only vote for a Dem.

I'm sure he won't win a state like Mass, but I bet he would have a chance in a state like Michigan.
Idk about your logic here. I would venture to say Democrats will rallying against Trump, even if that person is Hillary. Maybe some "couch sitting" as you call it, but I don't think that will be that large of a number.

As for Cruz/Kasich supporters, I could see a good number that would "couch sit" instead of voting for Trump or Hillary.

I think Hillary will do pretty alright with Bernie supporters, if it comes down to that.

I also know several Republicans that have sworn if Trump wins the nomination, they'll go Hillary.
 
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Here's a review of The Art of the Deal that gives you a lot of insight into Trump's mentality.

Mentality? Or mental infirmity?

We can summarize this years race by I headline I saw recently :

THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL RACE GUARANTEED TO BE OF GREAT HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE!

Candidates - Hillary Clinton; first Woman President - Bernie Saunders; first Jewish President; Mario Rubio - first Hispanic President - Ted Cruz; first Zodiac Killer President - John Kasich; first Intellectually disabled President with developmental disabilities; Donald Trump - last President.
 
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You're underestimating Trump's crossover appeal. White blue collar Dems will be all about him.

Trump is the most hated presidential candidate in modern history for a reason. He somehow is even more hated than Hillary, and 9 out of 10 polls have her crushing him in the general. His supporters have no idea how many people truly hate him, and how many millions of people are licking their chops at the chance to vote against him. His crossover appeal is limited due to his immense ego and his propensity to insult any and everyone that either disagrees with him or had a different skin color.

He is personally ushering in Hillary to the White House (which he probably is happy about considering how much he supported her and how often he has leaned to the left), and his mindless supporters don't even realize it. It's pathetic. He would ruin this country if he were president, and I pray every night that it doesn't happen. 4 years ago, this idiot blamed Romney's "mean-spirited" attitude towards Latinos for losing the election in 2012, and now the Chump has raised the stakes even higher and REALLY insulted Latinos like no other candidate in history. Nice move Donald. Your day is coming.
 

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Mentality? Or mental infirmity?

We can summarize this years race by I headline I saw recently :

THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL RACE GUARANTEED TO BE OF GREAT HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE!


Fixed it for you...


Candidates - Hillary Clinton; first President requiring a pre-term pardon - Bernie Saunders; first Jewish President; Marco Rubio - first Hispanic President - Ted Cruz; first president with more ass than Bill Clinton - John Kasich; first in a long time that can do the job; Donald Trump - last President.
 

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Donald Trump's threats of suits

Donald Trump's threats of suits

6 Times Donald Trump Has Threatened to Sue Since Announcing His Run for President

Ted Cruz (3 times) - for not being a natural born citizen, for the results of the Iowa caucauses (Cruz "rigged" them), and negative campaign ads in South Carolina (cease and desist letter)
Right to Rise Super Pac (for Bush) - over newspaper ad that Trump was a "narcistic Bullyionaire" (cease and desist letter sent)
Club for Growth (a conservative organization) - over ads that Trump would raise taxes
(letter from Trump's legal team sent. But Club for Growth has continued attacking Trump. No suit)
Washington Post - for investigative report article on Trump's Taj Mahal bankruptcy (article published, no suit)
New Day America (a Pac for Kasich) - not over anything but letting them know if they did issue something negative on Trump that he would sue
A T-Shirt Company selling shirts that mocked Trump (cease and desist- they did)

Also, Univision, who announced they would not televise Miss USA Pagent due to his remarks about Hispanics - Trump sued for breach of contract, suppressing his freedom of speech. Sued for $500 million. Sides settled.

Trump has threatened to "open up" libel laws on the media, rolling back First Amendment protections.
“With me, they’re not protected, because I’m not like other people… We’re gonna open up those libel laws, folks, and we’re gonna have people sue you (media) like you never got sued before.”
Ted Cruz's response to the threat of a lawsuit on the ads about Trump's pro-choice stance at one time:
If Donald Trump files the lawsuit that he threatens, that lawsuit will be frivolous. You have been threatening frivolous lawsuits for your entire adult life, even in the annals of frivolous lawsuits, this takes the cake.

If you want to file a lawsuit challenging this ad claiming it is defamation... file the lawsuit."

That lawsuit will be frivolous, and it will result in both Donald Trump and any lawyer that signs his name to the pleadings being sanctioned in court for filing frivolous litigation.

Trump's litany of lawsuits and threats to sue prior to running for Presidency - Donald Trump Sued Everyone but His Hairdresser

A few are: Merv Griffin ($500 mill), Chicago Trib ($500 mill), City of New York ($500 mill), NY State, State of New Jersey, his ex-wife Ivana (($25 mill), a Miss USA contestant ($5 mill), a publicist of another ex-wife, Marla ($35 mill), a NY Native American tribe, a NY Times reporter, two music groups (Fight Clvb and Bombs Away) and on and on.

The absolutely epic trolling letter Jeb Bush’s leadership PAC sent to Donald Trump’s lawyer (Right to Rise Pac - RTR)
In addition, although RTR has no plans to produce any advertisements against your client, we are intrigued (but not surprised) by your continued efforts to silence critics of your client's campaign by employing litigious threats and bullying. Should your client actually be elected Commander-in-Chief, will you be the one writing the cease and desist letters to Vladimir Putin, or will that be handled by outside counsel? As a candidate for President, your client is a public figure and his campaign should, and will, be fact-checked. The ability to criticize a candidate's record, policies and matters of public importance lies at the heart of the First Amendment, as courts have repeatedly recognized. If you have the time between bankruptcy filings and editing reality show contracts, we urge you to flip through the Supreme Court's decision in New York Times v. Sullivan. If your client is so thin-skinned that he cannot handle his critics' presentation of his own public statements, policies and record to the voting public, and if such communications hurts his feelings, he is welcome to purchase airtime to defend his record. After all, a wall can be built around many things, but not around the First Amendment.
 
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THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL RACE GUARANTEED TO BE OF GREAT HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE!


Fixed it for you...


Candidates - Hillary Clinton; first President requiring a pre-term pardon - Bernie Saunders; first Jewish President; Marco Rubio - first Hispanic President - Ted Cruz; first president with more ass than Bill Clinton - John Kasich; first in a long time that can do the job; Donald Trump - last President.

That's good, but Hillary would still be the first woman, unless you believe some of the conspiracy theorists! And remember, all from this list would need an Obama pardon! Except maybe Bernie.

On a serious note, I have met John Kasich, and more importantly, I know a bunch of folks who have been in meetings, briefings, etc., with the Governor, especially during the NWO water crisis two years ago, and he has no temperament for what the position entails. Trust me. Also, if you want to see how he would do as a Chief Executive, just look at what has happened to schools in the state of Ohio. He really is an idiot. I really don't care about the politics, or any of that. He certainly has a good team around him, and he relies heavily on them.

President he would be most like, fellow Ohioan, Warren G. Harding.

PS. Thanks for fixing Rubio's name. I wondered if anyone would catch that!
 
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I'm really starting to believe that's there an inverse correlation regarding religious conservatives and their true morals.

Each time of one these crazies makes a fool of themselves, it gives the liberal movement more fire power.

It seems hard to find a candidate who's a truly religious person, humble, and opposed to the 1%. That's who I want out of my candidate, anyway.

Things that make you go HMMMM!

The bolded, and particularly the underlined bolded is an oxymoron, an absolute contradiction in terms.

Aren't some of you members of a religion that hold that the last time it happened, God made man came to earth, to save us all, and we destroyed him? Ritualistic murder, I believe?

(It happens with every intelligent person who tells the truth.)

So then what of those that preach high morals, but are as human and imperfect as us?

That's right, politics!
 

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Sanders is kicking some ass today:
Early returns have him at 74% in Washington and 82% in Alaska. Hawaii starts in a few hours, and he is expected to do well there also.
 

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Sanders is kicking some ass today:
Early returns have him at 74% in Washington and 82% in Alaska. Hawaii starts in a few hours, and he is expected to do well there also.

Could narrow Hillary's delegate lead by 70 or 80 today.
 
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