'16 GA ATH Demetris Robertson (Georgia Transfer)

[NDohio]

Is the SAT like the ACT where D1 athletes can take it over and over, and their best score in each subject can be 'saved' and used together to get the best score?

So if you take it once and get 20 math, 25 science, 20 english, 25 reading....

Take it again and get 25 math, 15 science, 25 english, 10 reading...

So you get 25 math, 25 science, 25 english, 25 reading? I assume so since he continues to retake it expecting a better score.

Yes, but the issue in this situation is that the SAT is changing the test. The last test that DRob took was the last time that particular test was being given. As a result, that was the last opportunity to superscore all of his test scores. The next SAT he will take is kind of a base line test. You will eventually be able to superscore the SAT, but you can't combine old test scores with the new test scores.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes, but the issue in this situation is that the SAT is changing the test. The last test that DRob took was the last time that particular test was being given. As a result, that was the last opportunity to superscore all of his test scores. The next SAT he will take is kind of a base line test. You will eventually be able to superscore the SAT, but you can't combine old test scores with the new test scores.

Sounds like he has the potential to do worse.

 

[beryirish]

Sounds like he has the potential to do worse.

here's hoping ...kinda

 

[NDohio]

Sounds like he has the potential to do worse.

That is a definite possibility.

 

[dublinirish]

That is a definite possibility.

Bo Wallace territory

 

[PLACforever]

Why did I even open this thread?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Why did I even open this thread?

Why do I ever open this thread?

 

[Irish#1]

Why did I even open this thread?

Why do I ever open this thread?

Like a moth and a flame baby.

 

[beryirish]

You just have to

 

[T Town Tommy]

For Tech, encouraging statement from Demetris Robertson | Georgia Tech Sports blog

 

[Irish YJ]

For Tech, encouraging statement from Demetris Robertson | Georgia Tech Sports blog

good find 3T

His evidently sincere interest in obtaining a good education would help explain his determination to achieve the baseline SAT score necessary for him to take an official visit to Stanford. In his latest attempt, Robertson fell 40 or 50 points short.

“I’m going to keep going and taking it until I get it,” Robertson said.

Another SAT exam is set for March 5. The website for the College Board, which administers the exam, indicates that scores won’t be available until May 10. That could mean a decision may not come until then. (In the category of “Way more information than anyone should know about a high school student’s college decision,” the March SAT will apparently be the first time the College Board offers a redesigned exam that the Princeton Review called “the biggest change in 30 years” for the test. I’ll leave it to recruit-niks to debate what this means for Robertson’s chances to earn the necessary score, or, for that matter, how Stanford will interpret scores from the updated exam.)

Robertson does have an official visit planned for Georgia this weekend and he’ll have one remaining, either to Stanford or Alabama. An unofficial visit to Stanford is a possibility.

“I’m not trying to rush things,” Robertson said. “I’m not trying to go somewhere I don’t want to go. I want to sit down and see everything a long way out because my academics are the most important thing to me. A lot of people might not believe it but that’s what I’m basing my decision off of. I know wherever I go I am going to ball out.”

 

[ThePiombino]

“I’m not trying to rush things,” Robertson said. “I’m not trying to go somewhere I don’t want to go. I want to sit down and see everything a long way out because my academics are the most important thing to me. A lot of people might not believe it but that’s what I’m basing my decision off of. I know wherever I go I am going to ball out.”

No. No, academics are not the most important thing to him, because if they were he'd be considering Duke, Vandy, or Northwestern instead of Georgia or Bama.

 

[T Town Tommy]

No. No, academics are not the most important thing to him, because if they were he'd be considering Duke, Vandy, or Northwestern instead of Georgia or Bama.

Can only go off what he states in the article. It appears that he actually loves football but loves the academic side as well. Any of the schools that he is considering can give him both... if that's what he wants. And that's really up to him.

“Everybody might think I’m lying about academics first and things like that but it is true,” Robertson said. “I really want my academics first because football isn’t going to last long. I think everybody is just seeing what they want to see. Fans want me to put football first but that’s not the reality of football. Football can bring me a lot of fame and attention and set me up but I also want to set myself up with my academics and a degree. If football doesn’t work out for me, then I am still all good.”

 

[ThePiombino]

Can only go off what he states in the article. It appears that he actually loves football but loves the academic side as well. Any of the schools that he is considering can give him both... if that's what he wants. And that's really up to him.

How exactly can Georgia or Bama set him up academically compared to the schools I mentioned, Stanford, or Notre Dame?

 

[T Town Tommy]

How exactly can Georgia or Bama set him up academically compared to the schools I mentioned, Stanford, or Notre Dame?

Didn't say each school equal in the academic endeavors. But contrary to popular belief from some, every school on his list has enough fine programs in which he could choose to earn a degree. And that's really up to him. I don't know what he wants to major in and that would play a part in which school he chooses as to whether he makes the right decision. But simply dismissing schools because one thinks he can't be educated there is ridiculous as well.

 

[Irish YJ]

No. No, academics are not the most important thing to him, because if they were he'd be considering Duke, Vandy, or Northwestern instead of Georgia or Bama.

While some of those schools pale in comparison to ND, Stanford, etc.,,,,, If DROB had a passion for instance for Law, Geology, or Information Sciences,,,, Bama would actually be a good choice for academics. Would you believe the average UGA freshman SAT is 1469 (math and reading only), average ACT of 33, and GPA of 4.07?

I'm in no way saying those two schools are better than ND or Stanford, or the others.... but if he has a specific passion and plan, he can get a great education there.

 

[BGIF]

While some of those schools pale in comparison to ND, Stanford, etc.,,,,, If DROB had a passion for instance for Law, Geology, or Information Sciences,,,, Bama would actually be a good choice for academics. Would you believe the average UGA freshman SAT is 1469 (math and reading only), average ACT of 33, and GPA of 4.07?

I'm in no way saying those two schools are better than ND or Stanford, or the others.... but if he has a specific passion and plan, he can get a great education there.

Do you have a cite for those stats?

This site indicates those ACT numbers are more in line with the Honors/Scholarship students listed here:

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/prospective-students/first-year/fy-profile

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

While some of those schools pale in comparison to ND, Stanford, etc.,,,,, If DROB had a passion for instance for Law, Geology, or Information Sciences,,,, Bama would actually be a good choice for academics. Would you believe the average UGA freshman SAT is 1469 (math and reading only), average ACT of 33, and GPA of 4.07?

I'm in no way saying those two schools are better than ND or Stanford, or the others.... but if he has a specific passion and plan, he can get a great education there.

Those averages seem hella off. Are you looking at a specific program within Georgia?

I refuse to believe those are accurate.

Georgia Tech would be more believable. But I don't care enough to look the numbers up.

 

[Irish#1]

“I’m going to keep going and taking it until I get it,” Robertson said.

Dateline South Bend Tribune June, 2029......"Stanford finally lands Demetris Robertson out of Georgia. Robertson now 31 finally received high enough SAT scores to be admitted by Stanford. Robertson if you recall, was the #1 ranked receiver in the class of 2016 and is the last of the class in 2016 to sign his Letter of Intent. Robertson is quoted as saying, "I'm very excited about this opportunity. It was a long and hard journey, but I knew I could do it". When asked why he kept trying to get high enough scores to get admitted to Stanford, Robertson is quoted as saying, "I always said academics were important and I wanted to prove it to all those "know it all's" on Irish Envy who didn't believe me."

 

[Irish YJ]

Do you have a cite for those stats?

This site indicates those ACT numbers are more in line with the Honors/Scholarship students listed here:

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/prospective-students/first-year/fy-profile

Hey BGIF, you are right. Got them from a UGA employee of mine. I checked the site and checked your URL. The wording is not clear, so...
Here's where he quoted from.
UGA by the Numbers | University Of Georgia
Here's from yours. It's still surprisingly high to me. I do know it's extremely competitive (harder to get into UGA than GT) for the local kids here in ATL.

High School Core Grade Point Average

Middle 50% of All Enrolled First-Year Students: 3.81 - 4.06
Overall Average of All Enrolled First-Year Students: 3.91
Middle 50% of All Enrolled Honors Students: 4.00 - 4.18
Middle 50% of All Scholarship Students: 3.95 - 4.16

Standardized Tests

SAT-I Middle 50% of Admitted First-Year Students: 1810 - 2060
ACT Middle 50% of Admitted First-Year Students: 27 -31
Overall ACT Average for Admitted First-Year Students: 29
SAT-I Middle 50% of Admitted Honors Students: 2130 - 2240
ACT Middle 50% of Admitted Honors Students: 32 - 34
SAT Middle 50% of Admitted Scholarship Students (CR&M): 1290 - 1480
ACT Middle 50% of Admitted Scholarship Students: 30 - 33

 

[#1rish]

May 10th?

Shut this thread down till then, jeezus.

 

[kmoose]

No. No, academics are not the most important thing to him, because if they were he'd be considering Duke, Vandy, or Northwestern instead of Georgia or Bama.

Academics being most important is not the same as academics being the ONLY important thing.

In a "whole package" situation, like this should be for him, everything counts. Each item has a different weight, and the one that is weighted the most is the "most important", but that doesn't mean that you forsake everything else for that.

If I live in the city, am looking for transportation, and say that fuel costs are most important to me; I'm not lying about that, if I choose a car over a bicycle.

 

[IrishLax]

Does he know that Georgia Tech graduates like 40% of their African American players and that's even with pushing everyone to the "M train" to stay eligible?

 

[Kingbish01]

You can get a great education anywhere if you pick the right classes and take it serious. Sure ND and Stanford are head and shoulders above Bama and UGA when it comes to education. But to think he couldn't go to UGA (Terry College of Business) and get a great education is just fanboy comments.

 

[IrishLax]

You can get a great education anywhere if you pick the right classes and take it serious. Sure ND and Stanford are head and shoulders above Bama and UGA when it comes to education. But to think he couldn't go to UGA (Terry College of Business) and get a great education is just fanboy comments.

No, it's not and I'm so sick of having to be politically correct with regards to ND's education.

Yes, you "can" get a "great" education "anywhere." I also "can" quit my job tomorrow and become a Youtube sensation. That does not mean it's an expected outcome, or that there is merit considering it as a probable occurrence.

At Stanford, we KNOW that student-athletes take real classes* in real majors and almost all graduate with meaningful degrees from an extremely prestigious school with a powerful alumni network.

At Notre Dame, we KNOW that student athletes take real classes in real majors and almost all graduate with meaningful degrees a prestigious school with a powerful alumni network.

At Georgia and Alabama, we know that while many kids graduate there is a large chunk of those that don't get meaningful degrees... and that even if you apply yourself and DO get a real education in a real major 1) the degree is less valuable than ND or Stanford 2) the alumni network and elite job placement is worse than ND or Stanford 3) your overall career prospects are significantly worse when looked at as a collective group.

At Georgia Tech, we know that a huge chunk don't even graduate and those that do are forced into what is considered the easiest major.

What Notre Dame does for student athletes from an educational standpoint is very similar to Stanford. What Georgia/Alabama/Georgia Tech do for student athletes is almost the polar opposite.

 

[gkIrish]

I agree with Lax's post but I will add that if he wants to live in Georgia long-term, a degree from Georgia or Georgia Tech helps in many ways. People from the south or the Midwest tend to respect and trust people that went to an in-state school. It's not like that in the other parts of the country but I think it is true in the Midwest and South.

In other words, IF he wants to live in Georgia, the disparity in quality of education and quality of alumni networks is mitigated a bit. That being said, it's still not even close and I would pick ND or Stanford if he really cares about academics and his future.

 

[Kingbish01]

No, it's not and I'm so sick of having to be politically correct with regards to ND's education.

Yes, you "can" get a "great" education "anywhere." I also "can" quit my job tomorrow and become a Youtube sensation. That does not mean it's an expected outcome, or that there is merit considering it as a probable occurrence.

At Stanford, we KNOW that student-athletes take real classes* in real majors and almost all graduate with meaningful degrees from an extremely prestigious school with a powerful alumni network.

At Notre Dame, we KNOW that student athletes take real classes in real majors and almost all graduate with meaningful degrees a prestigious school with a powerful alumni network.

At Georgia and Alabama, we know that while many kids graduate there is a large chunk of those that don't get meaningful degrees... and that even if you apply yourself and DO get a real education in a real major 1) the degree is less valuable than ND or Stanford 2) the alumni network and elite job placement is worse than ND or Stanford 3) your overall career prospects are significantly worse when looked at as a collective group.

At Georgia Tech, we know that a huge chunk don't even graduate and those that do are forced into what is considered the easiest major.

What Notre Dame does for student athletes from an educational standpoint is very similar to Stanford. What Georgia/Alabama/Georgia Tech do for student athletes is almost the polar opposite.

Main reason is because the student is different. "Student Athletes" that go to ND are different than "SA" that go to Bama. IMO, it's as simple as that. The reason Bama and UGA are polar opposite is because they have kids that don't care about academics, so it's their fault not the institute. My point is if DR wants to be a student athlete we can't act like ND and Stanford are the only places this is possible. That is ridiculous.

 

[koonja]

Main reason is because the student is different. "Student Athletes" that go to ND are different than "SA" that go to Bama. IMO, it's as simple as that. The reason Bama and UGA are polar opposite is because they have kids that don't care about academics, so it's their fault not the institute. My point is if DR wants to be a student athlete we can't act like ND and Stanford are the only places this is possible. That is ridiculous.

Side note of that is, these kids are at an age where you're very influenced by who you surround yourself with. Only adding because it kind of plays to and against your point.

 

[gkIrish]

Main reason is because the student is different. "Student Athletes" that go to ND are different than "SA" that go to Bama. IMO, it's as simple as that. The reason Bama and UGA are polar opposite is because they have kids that don't care about academics, so it's their fault not the institute. My point is if DR wants to be a student athlete we can't act like ND and Stanford are the only places this is possible. That is ridiculous.

How do you not blame the institute for creating joke majors for the sole purpose of allowing their players to avoid studying or trying to succeed?

 

[Kingbish01]

Side note of that is, these kids are at an age where you're very influenced by who you surround yourself with. Only adding because it kind of plays to and against your point.

Okay...forget the athlete part. Do you guys think that every student at BAMA or UGA is going to go on and make 35k a year.

I know plenty of people that went to small schools in Western Pa and have gone on to make great money. The school opens doors, but the student has to walk through them.

I'm just saying that if DR decides to go to UGA and attend their business school, it's arrogant to think he is making a major mistake. Because he is not. Look how many people are able to feed their families and pay their bills without an ND or Stanford degree.