'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[irishfan]

Haha could you imagine Fuller running a go-route with Rees throwing it out there? He'd have time to stop and drink a gatorade waiting for the ball.

(I'm a huge fan of Tommy and what he did for the team on the field. I also realize that they played together in '13.)

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He looks so goofy in #15. Classic Fuller hands there also.

*not posting this to dispute you. Clearly Golson has 10x the arm of Rees. Just a funny play. I by no means want Rees throwing to any ND guys at a Pro Day.

 

[ulukinatme]

Haha could you imagine Fuller running a go-route with Rees throwing it out there? He'd have time to stop and drink a gatorade waiting for the ball.

(I'm a huge fan of Tommy and what he did for the team on the field. I also realize that they played together in '13.)

You're not thinking 4th dimensionally! Tommy could throw the ball, with Fuller sitting at the line not even starting his route. Once the ball hits it's maximum arc and starts the coast back down, we see this flash of light. We squint our eyes to see Fuller blazing down the field to catch the rapidly descending ball, dazzling everyone with his blinding speed.

If we're talking hypothetically I think Tommy would work fine. He hit Fuller on that 55 yard TD pass against Air Force, but I digress. It probably would be better for DeShone or Malik to be throwing to Fuller.

 

[NDShark]

Reesus.

I imagine there is a Reesus Cryst joke out there that someone smarter than I can formulate.

 

[Irish Insanity]

MVG

FIFY, no joke

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

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He looks so goofy in #15. Classic Fuller hands there also.

*not posting this to dispute you. Clearly Golson has 10x the arm of Rees. Just a funny play. I by no means want Rees throwing to any ND guys at a Pro Day.

Tommy had better arm strength by his senior year than he's ever gotten credit for. Not NFL caliber, but not horrible.

 

[Luckylucci]

If you allow him to do it, it reinforces the fact that once you get your ND degree, you're Irish for life. That's a good look for the program.

I can't make up my mind on this topic. I see this thought and I really can't disagree with it. In fact, it makes a lot of sense, especially for those kids that might not be true NFL talent. They see this as something of significance.

However, I also look at part of Lax's post, about the lying to the coaches and teammates, and I'm not sure I want to have anything to do with it.

Would the media attention around this be constructive for guys like Day, Fuller, etc. to workout in? Or counter productive as too many questions will be asked about Golson?

Can't say I've come to a conclusion I could really stand behind.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I can't make up my mind on this topic. I see this thought and I really can't disagree with it. In fact, it makes a lot of sense, especially for those kids that might not be true NFL talent. They see this as something of significance.

However, I also look at part of Lax's post, about the lying to the coaches and teammates, and I'm not sure I want to have anything to do with it.

Would the media attention around this be constructive for guys like Day, Fuller, etc. to workout in? Or counter productive as too many questions will be asked about Golson?

Can't say I've come to a conclusion I could really stand behind.

It's hard for us to make that decision from the outside. I'd leave it up to the staff and team; they know far better than we if Golson deserves to be brought back into the fold or not. If they're for it, so am I.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Let him do it at FSU. That's where he wanted to be. He's theirs.

 

[GBdomer]

Driskell brought up a great point in which I agree with

Agree. Also, having Golson throwing at the pro day would be good for Fuller, Brown and Prosise. Golson throws a very catchable ball and anyone who has seen him at practice knows these are the type of events he thrives in. No pass rush and no coaches in his ear. He'd shine in this type of event, which would help the pass catchers also perform well. Fuller and Prosise especially need to put on a good catching show at their Pro Day, and a guy like Golson could help with that.

He's not going to get drafted, so it's not like his stock is going to be helped, but if having him at ND's pro day could help other players they should definitely allow him to perform.

 

[pumpdog20]

Driskell brought up a great point in which I agree with

Agree. Also, having Golson throwing at the pro day would be good for Fuller, Brown and Prosise. Golson throws a very catchable ball and anyone who has seen him at practice knows these are the type of events he thrives in. No pass rush and no coaches in his ear. He'd shine in this type of event, which would help the pass catchers also perform well. Fuller and Prosise especially need to put on a good catching show at their Pro Day, and a guy like Golson could help with that.

He's not going to get drafted, so it's not like his stock is going to be helped, but if having him at ND's pro day could help other players they should definitely allow him to perform.

Brown and Fuller had no problem catching balls from Kizer all year. Let him throw to them.

 

[GBdomer]

Brown and Fuller had no problem catching balls from Kizer all year. Let him throw to them.

Fuller? lol

Kizer can't throw to them

 

[NDShark]

Fuller? lol

Kizer can't throw to them

I guess this is b/c he had some drops? I don't really understand your inside joke.

 

[GBdomer]

I guess this is b/c he had some drops? I don't really understand your inside joke.

He did have his drops and some pretty big drops. Everyone knows his hands are so-so. But Kizer can't throw to him just like Zaire and Wimbush wouldn't be able too either. Maybe Thomas Reeus could come back?

 

[IrishLion]

Maybe Jimmy Clausen will be looking for a workout.

 

[GBdomer]

Chris Nee would be VERY surprised if he was at FSU pro day. I am all for it Everett is an ND grad and could have taken the easy road and not came back to ND. Sure he left the program but the writing was on the wall that he wasn't going to beat out Zaire and didn't want to risk a another year at ND maybe being the backup

Let him come back and throw to his boys, he will shine like he always does in a t-shirt and shorts event where he can just spin it around. Sampson always said it was a joy watching him warm up and put it wherever he wanted too

 

[kmoose]

Chris Nee would be VERY surprised if he was at FSU pro day. I am all for it Everett is an ND grad and could have taken the easy road and not came back to ND. Sure he left the program but the writing was on the wall that he wasn't going to beat out Zaire and didn't want to risk a another year at ND maybe being the backup

Let him come back and throw to his boys, he will shine like he always does in a t-shirt and shorts event where he can just spin it around. Sampson always said it was a joy watching him warm up and put it wherever he wanted too

He's an ND grad for sure, but he was not a member of the Notre Dame football team in the most recent season. So why should he be given use of ND's facilities, when he already has access to facilities at his own school? Just the flip side of the coin. I don't care if they do, or don't, let him participate.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't have any problem with Golson coming to our Pro Day. And I don't think it'll make any difference at all for Fuller and Brown. I just think the whole thing's kind of sad.

If Everett had been a team guy and stuck around even though he might have been beat out, at the very least he could walk out of Notre Dame with his head up. And - given Zaire's injury - he probably would have started most of the season and likely led us to about as good a year as Kizer did. Or, as Lax said, if he'd declared a year ago, he probably had higher draft stock and would've left on his own terms. Instead, here we are...

 

[stlnd01]

Chris Nee would be VERY surprised if he was at FSU pro day.

Guessing it wasn't well-received that he didn't make it to their bowl game?

 

[GBdomer]

He's an ND grad for sure, but he was not a member of the Notre Dame football team in the most recent season. So why should he be given use of ND's facilities, when he already has access to facilities at his own school? Just the flip side of the coin. I don't care if they do, or don't, let him participate.

Because what ND football grad shouldn't be allowed back in the building? It would be a good look for ND to let him throw. It's not like Troy Nikals or George Atkinson are coming back to hang out

 

[kmoose]

Because what ND football grad shouldn't be allowed back in the building? It would be a good look for ND to let him throw. It's not like Troy Nikals or George Atkinson are coming back to hang out

Why take the scouts' eyes off of an ND player for even a second, to give them a longer look at a guy who can attend his own school's Pro Day? You don't have to release a press statement saying that Everett Golson is a selfish quitter who quit on not only ND, but his Florida State teammates as well and therefore is banned from ND's Pro Day. You simply say to him(or more likely his agent), "We're sorry, but we must decline his request to participate in our Pro Day instead of his own, as our Pro Day is structured to highlight Notre Dame football players, not Florida State football players."

 

[GBdomer]

Why take the scouts' eyes off of an ND player for even a second, to give them a longer look at a guy who can attend his own school's Pro Day? You don't have to release a press statement saying that Everett Golson is a selfish quitter who quit on not only ND, but his Florida State teammates as well and therefore is banned from ND's Pro Day. You simply say to him(or more likely his agent), "We're sorry, but we must decline his request to participate in our Pro Day instead of his own, as our Pro Day is structured to highlight Notre Dame football players, not Florida State football players."

Because I think in his heart he loves ND and enjoyed his time here. Plus who is going to throw the ball to Brown and Fuller and even CJ? I have no problem with an ND grad attending an ND pro day with his boys. Not sure why you have a problem with it. This guy led us to a National title game

 

[Circa]

Why take the scouts' eyes off of an ND player for even a second, to give them a longer look at a guy who can attend his own school's Pro Day? You don't have to release a press statement saying that Everett Golson is a selfish quitter who quit on not only ND, but his Florida State teammates as well and therefore is banned from ND's Pro Day. You simply say to him(or more likely his agent), "We're sorry, but we must decline his request to participate in our Pro Day instead of his own, as our Pro Day is structured to highlight Notre Dame football players, not Florida State football players."

You seem smarter than this. I don't mean to sound harsh.

 

[irishfan]

I don't have any problem with Golson coming to our Pro Day. And I don't think it'll make any difference at all for Fuller and Brown. I just think the whole thing's kind of sad.

If Everett had been a team guy and stuck around even though he might have been beat out, at the very least he could walk out of Notre Dame with his head up. And - given Zaire's injury - he probably would have started most of the season and likely led us to about as good a year as Kizer did. Or, as Lax said, if he'd declared a year ago, he probably had higher draft stock and would've left on his own terms. Instead, here we are...

2014 wasn't a great year, but he did lead us down the field to put us in FG range to beat LSU. Which was a massive win at the time to get some momentum going for the off-season. I don't think he left with his tail between his legs.

As so many have pointed out, he came back after his academic cheating fiasco when most would have just left. He got his degree. He went to FSU for guaranteed PT since he cared more about improving his NFL stock than he does having a 50/50 chance at being the backup at ND. I'd do the same thing. While I think it would have been "noble" for him to stay, it also would have been a stupid decision for his potential pro career. It would have been nice for Cincy if BK had stayed there also. Sometimes you have to make the best personal decision. Also, what QB in their right mind wouldn't want to play for Jimbo Fisher anyway? All he does is get guys drafted in the 1st round....JaMarcus, Ponder, Manuel, Jameis...how many QBs has BK put in the NFL?

He did lead us to a 12-0 regular season even if it does seem like ancient history at this point. I don't know about everyone else, but that season was a nice change from the 8-5, 8-5, 9-4, 8-5 seasons that sandwiched it. Makes no sense for the school/program to turn their back on Golson if he wants to come here for his Pro Day. Maybe there was some behind-the-scenes stuff that will lead to the coaches telling Golson he can't participate, but, barring that, it would make the school look very petty to deny him.

Also, purely as a fan: Shouldn't we all be happy that Golson left? I don't think anyone would really argue Golson>Kizer, and now we at least know what Kizer has to offer. He would have ridden the pine last year if EG were still here, and we probably would not have finished with 10 wins.

 

[kmoose]

Because I think in his heart he loves ND and enjoyed his time here. Plus who is going to throw the ball to Brown and Fuller and even CJ? I have no problem with an ND grad attending an ND pro day with his boys. Not sure why you have a problem with it. This guy led us to a National title game

I don't have a problem with it, and I said so; so I'm not sure why you would try to characterize it like I do. But I can also see the logic in declining it.

I'm betting that our QB coach can throw the ball to Brown and Fuller... And I'm betting that they could get any number of guys who DIDN'T quit on ND to do it, too.

 

[GoldenDome]

People have to do what's best for themselves. Elmer quit on the team for selfish reasons. It is just football. It IS Golson's life. It is Elmer's life. No hard feelings for him or his decision. If I were Golson I would have made the same after LSU.

I find it sort of interesting that while both quit the team, it is how you quit the team that makes you a "quitter" I guess. It is just football for us, but it is their lives we are talking about.

 

[kmoose]

People have to do what's best for themselves. Elmer quit on the team for selfish reasons. It is just football. It IS Golson's life. It is Elmer's life. No hard feelings for him or his decision. If I were Golson I would have made the same after LSU.

I find it sort of interesting that while both quit the team, it is how you quit the team that makes you a "quitter" I guess. It is just football for us, but it is their lives we are talking about.

The two are not comparable, though............. Elmer quit to pursue another aspect of his life. Golson quit to continue playing football somewhere else.

 

[GoldenDome]

The two are not comparable, though............. Elmer quit to pursue another aspect of his life. Golson quit to continue playing football somewhere else.

Are you saying Golson did not make a life decision?

 

[kmoose]

Are you saying Golson did not make a life decision?

I'm saying that Elmer did not quit his team to go play football for another team. That's what makes his situation different.

 

[GBdomer]

I'm saying that Elmer did not quit his team to go play football for another team. That's what makes his situation different.

So someone who wasn't going to start and wanted a fresh start somewhere new where he could start was quitting on his team?

 

[rocket66]

So someone who wasn't going to start and wanted a fresh start somewhere new where he could start was quitting on his team?

Yes.


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