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ACamp1900

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Yeah, the joke around here is that the only thing the shutdown did was improve our commutes and pack the bars.

Obviously, the issue is that there was TONS of background work that is VERY important that wasn't being done.

With that being said, if you hired consultants Office Space style to "trim the fat" from the Government I bet you could cut about 20% of the existing workforce with virtually no drop off in service... and then take that 20% and put them to work in other roles.

at least that much, and don't get me wrong, I'm not apologizing for Cruz, or any of his particular actions, not a fan, but the rotation of the planet should never depend on the fed being open... and if it really does impact so many of us, then yeah... no secret I want a MUCH smaller fed in general, pretty much across the board.
 

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What's so evil about work? Work is a good, noble, virtuous thing.


Private property rights. McDonald's can't dump its grease traps in your lawn because it's your lawn.

But they don't dump it on your lawn or your house. They pollute the air or the public lake or just dump it on their grounds that eventually make it into the ground water. No company is going to come and dump shit on your lawn. That is a worthless analogy on your part. Who controls the air we breath or the ground water?
 

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What's so evil about work? Work is a good, noble, virtuous thing.


Private property rights. McDonald's can't dump its grease traps in your lawn because it's your lawn.

I was referencing (and you know this) child labor conditions during the industrial revolution (pre child labor laws).

And you think this is a joke how? Do you believe a 7 year old child should be working in a sweatshop? Because, it appears you believe it will teach them about money? Oh my, if you truly believe that.

Children that young can learn about work and money in other ways. When I was 8 I started working in my grandpa's pumpkin patch. We had about 2.5 acres, and my grandpa, myself, and my 3 older cousins planted, watered, hoed, and harvested all of those pumpkins by hand... In a given season, I'd put in a good 200 hours, and maybe make $500 from my cut at the end.

That, is teaching work and ethic. Parents (peers) can teach your "virtues" without enslaving children into a factory...
 

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What's so evil about work? Work is a good, noble, virtuous thing.


Private property rights. McDonald's can't dump its grease traps in your lawn because it's your lawn.

Great analogy, you got me... At this point, I really homing in on the fact you must be a troll, because you're clearly not being serious.
 

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But they don't dump it on your lawn or your house. They pollute the air or the public lake or just dump it on their grounds that eventually make it into the ground water. No company is going to come and dump shit on your lawn. That is a worthless analogy on your part.
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Who controls the air we breath or the ground water?
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I was referencing (and you know this) child labor conditions during the industrial revolution (pre child labor laws).

And you think this is a joke how? Do you believe a 7 year old child should be working in a sweatshop? Because, it appears you believe it will teach them about money? Oh my, if you truly believe that.

Children that young can learn about work and money in other ways. When I was 8 I started working in my grandpa's pumpkin patch. We had about 2.5 acres, and my grandpa, myself, and my 3 older cousins planted, watered, hoed, and harvested all of those pumpkins by hand... In a given season, I'd put in a good 200 hours, and maybe make $500 from my cut at the end.

That, is teaching work and ethic. Parents (peers) can teach your "virtues" without enslaving children into a factory...
The bolded is what I'm talking about. It's illegal, and should not be. If it were legal and some company opened your strawman sweatshop today, they wouldn't find any employees and they'd promptly go out of business. Market solution.
 

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The bolded is what I'm talking about. It's illegal, and should not be. If it were legal and some company opened your strawman sweatshop today, they wouldn't find any employees and they'd promptly go out of business. Market solution.

Did you read this before you hit submit?
 

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The bolded is what I'm talking about. It's illegal, and should not be. If it were legal and some company opened your strawman sweatshop today, they wouldn't find any employees and they'd promptly go out of business. Market solution.

What is illegal about it?
 

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What is illegal about it?
What do you mean what's illegal about it? An eight year old can't go out and work for a wage. There are some exemptions for family-owned agriculture, but it's very narrowly defined. I think what FightingIrishLover7 described is brilliant, but it violates his precious child labor laws.
 

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What do you mean what's illegal about it? An eight year old can't go out and work for a wage. There are some exemptions for family-owned agriculture, but it's very narrowly defined. I think what FightingIrishLover7 described is brilliant, but it violates his precious child labor laws.

What are the exemptions?

What you bolded was a family-owned agriculture operation, so why isn't it legal?
 

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Well, I got to go, it's been fun. Let me know if Wizard starts to draw analogies between my grandpa and Bernie Madoff.
 

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What are the exemptions?

What you bolded was a family-owned agriculture operation, so why isn't it legal?
U.S. Department of Labor - Wage & Hour Divisions (WHD) - State Child Labor Laws Applicable to Agricultural Employment January 1, 2016

It's state-specific, but nowhere is eight years old legal.

Obama, strengthen rules on child farm labor - CNN.com

Well, I got to go, it's been fun. Let me know if Wizard starts to draw analogies between my grandpa and Bernie Madoff.
Just the opposite. Your grandpa sounds like an awesome grandpa, and he acted outside of the law in order to be one.
 

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What the hell are you talking about? Ted Cruz' party leaders HATE HIM. They didn't want him to shut down the government because they're terrified of the media blaming Republicans for shit. Ted Cruz was elected after campaigning to act as a check to Obama's agenda. He acted to fulfill his campaign promises against the will of the party. My God, there's room to criticize Ted Cruz but the notion that he's some puppet of the Republican power structure is absurd. The Republican power structure is diametrically opposed to Ted Cruz.


Which of these ten-person economic systems is better in your opinion?

System 1: Every person makes $50,000 per year.

System 2: One person makes $1 billion per year. Everyone else makes $60,000 per year because they work for the $1 billion guy's corporation.


Bernie wants to move us towards System 1 even though everyone is better off in System 2. Socialism is built on envy and it's evil. Equal misery shared by all, as long as it's "fair."

Redefinition of System 2 to Fit Reality: One person makes $1 billion per year (and his family of four live the life of luxury). One or two of his employees make $60,000 per year (and one or two families of four live modestly at a lower middle class level). The other 7 or 8 employees make less than $15,000 per year and live below the poverty level. (These 7 or 8 families of four are dependent upon the government for food stamps, health care, etc.)

Socialism is built on sharing and a sense of morality. A socialist doesn't dine on caviar on his luxury liner in the Caribbean while his neighbor and his children are going without food, wearing shoes and clothing with holes, and dying of illnesses that can be treated with proper medical care. That is the product of capitalism. Capitalism is built upon greed. I've got mine. Too bad you don't have anything. Oh, well! Not my problem.
 
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U.S. Department of Labor - Wage & Hour Divisions (WHD) - State Child Labor Laws Applicable to Agricultural Employment January 1, 2016

It's state-specific, but nowhere is eight years old legal.

Obama, strengthen rules on child farm labor - CNN.com


Just the opposite. Your grandpa sounds like an awesome grandpa, and he acted outside of the law in order to be one.

I am looking at it differently(perhaps wrong?) If its not school hours, it looks pretty relaxed in many places. (See the great state of North Dakota).
 

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U.S. Department of Labor - Wage & Hour Divisions (WHD) - State Child Labor Laws Applicable to Agricultural Employment January 1, 2016

It's state-specific, but nowhere is eight years old legal.

Obama, strengthen rules on child farm labor - CNN.com


Just the opposite. Your grandpa sounds like an awesome grandpa, and he acted outside of the law in order to be one.

Employment by Parents | United States Department of Labor

The Fair Labor Standards Act's (FLSA) minimum age requirements do not apply to minors employed by their parents, or by a person acting as their guardian. An exception to this occurs in mining, manufacturing and occupations where the minimum age requirement of 18 years old applies.

While a grandparent may not meet the legal requirement as "a parent", they can very likely be considered a guardian.
 

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Socialism is built on sharing and a sense of morality. A socialist doesn't dine on caviar on his luxury liner in the Caribbean while his neighbor and his children are going without food, wearing shoes and clothing with holes, and dying of illnesses that can be treated with proper medical care. That is the product of capitalism. Capitalism is built upon greed. I've got mine. Too bad you don't have anything. Oh, well! Not my problem.
You can't coerce someone into morality. Confiscating the property of a greedy person makes you a thief and does nothing to make him un-greedy. Look, I agree with you that most socialists have good, moral intentions with their socialism. The problem is that they back up good intentions with bad economics. A policy that's supposed to help the poor but doesn't is a bad policy, regardless of intentions.

Employment by Parents | United States Department of Labor

While a grandparent may not meet the legal requirement as "a parent", they can very likely be considered a guardian.
Again, all of this is ridiculously specific because the federal government is incapable of detecting nuance. What's the difference between working on your dad's farm or working on your uncle's farm? What's the difference between picking berries on a farm and sweeping a store?
 
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Socialism is built on sharing and a sense of morality. A socialist doesn't dine on caviar on his luxury liner in the Caribbean while his neighbor and his children are going without food, wearing shoes and clothing with holes, and dying of illnesses that can be treated with proper medical care. That is the product of capitalism. Capitalism is built upon greed. I've got mine. Too bad you don't have anything. Oh, well! Not my problem.

Bernie Sanders is a Socialist. You think he is sitting on his bed at the Motel 6 tonight, eating Dominos? Or is he having surf and turf before returning to his suite at the Hilton?
 

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You can't coerce someone into morality. Confiscating the property of a greedy person makes you a thief and does nothing to make him un-greedy.


Again, all of this is ridiculously specific because the federal government is incapable of detecting nuance. What's the difference between working on your dad's farm or working on your uncle's farm? What's the difference between picking berries on a farm and sweeping a store?

*shrugs* I'm not the one who adamantly demanded that it was illegal. Now that there is doubt, you want to change the subject?
 

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Redefinition of System 2 to Fit Reality: One person makes $1 billion per year (and his family of four live the life of luxury). One or two of his employees make $60,000 per year (and one or two families of four live modestly at a lower middle class level). (The other 7 or 8 employees make less than $15,000 per year and live below the poverty level. These 7 or 8 families of four are dependent upon the government for food stamps, health care, etc.)

So why do your 7 or 8 employees get the luxury of not only working 40hrs a week but also being a single income family?

If the guy making $1B a year has a social responsibility to pay his employees a 'living wage' then why can't the employee take on the social responsibility to work a bit longer or not take on burdens they can't afford?

It's not like 'Welcome to Wal-Mart' or 'Would you like fries with that' are difficult jobs and it's not like working 60hrs of such work would be hard for any able bodied person to do. But for some reason it's not politically correct to ask for this but it is politically correct to ask the guy who made a business to hand over more money because it looks bad.

You can bet that the folks at the top of this company are not punching the clock and the owner long ago stopped tracking hours but you also can bet that along the way they worked a lot more than 40hrs in a week.

By the way, two earners working 60hrs a week at $7.25hr puts the family at $43,500 for the year. Which is more than enough for a family in many places.
 

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So why do your 7 or 8 employees get the luxury of not only working 40hrs a week but also being a single income family?

If the guy making $1B a year has a social responsibility to pay his employees a 'living wage' then why can't the employee take on the social responsibility to work a bit longer or not take on burdens they can't afford?

It's not like 'Welcome to Wal-Mart' or 'Would you like fries with that' are difficult jobs and it's not like working 60hrs of such work would be hard for any able bodied person to do. But for some reason it's not politically correct to ask for this but it is politically correct to ask the guy who made a business to hand over more money because it looks bad.

You can bet that the folks at the top of this company are not punching the clock and the owner long ago stopped tracking hours but you also can bet that along the way they worked a lot more than 40hrs in a week.

By the way, two earners working 60hrs a week at $7.25hr puts the family at $43,500 for the year. Which is more than enough for a family in many places.

You are fucking kidding me right? With both parents working, and the cost of daycare (especially with both parents working 60 hours), no way. Daycare alone would screw them, let alone a place to live, food, transportation etc. Without children, sure it could work but add the average of 2 children in and you have pretty much sunk them.

ETA: Yes you get to deduct daycare on your taxes but that doesn't help them pay for it during the year.
 
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Bernie Sanders is a Socialist. You think he is sitting on his bed at the Motel 6 tonight, eating Dominos? Or is he having surf and turf before returning to his suite at the Hilton?

His wife certainly benefited from a "golden parachute" after her forced departure from burlington college, rumored to be $200K+. Is that Clinton or Trump money? Hell no. But it is still far from the "not wealthy" persona that he tries to portray.

From a 2011 Article.....

Until recently, Sanders, wife of U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, hoped to continue as president for another four years. But negotiations over a new contract stalled as doubts emerged about her plans and fundraising. In August, the board voted to negotiate an early exit package.

Jane Sanders resigns presidency of Burlington College, reaches settlement
 

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His wife certainly benefited from a "golden parachute" after her forced departure from burlington college, rumored to be $200K+. Is that Clinton or Trump money? Hell no. But it is still far from the "not wealthy" persona that he tries to portray.

From a 2011 Article.....



Jane Sanders resigns presidency of Burlington College, reaches settlement

200K is great money don't get me wrong but that is hardly a golden parachute. Just look at the package that Marissa Mayer will get from Yahoo if there is a change of control. Now that is a golden parachute.
 

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Here's The Week's Michael Brendan Dougherty on "How conservative elites disdain working class Republicans":

The conservative movement has a lot of ideas for improving the life of a typical coke-sniffer in Westport, Connecticut. Let's call that man Jeffrey.

The movement wants to lower Jeffrey's capital gains taxes. It also wants to lower corporate taxation, which intersects with his interests at several points. It wants to free up dollars marked for Social Security so they can be handed, temporarily, to Jeffrey's fund-manager in-law, who works in nearby Darien. The movement has sometimes proposed giving Jeffrey a voucher to offset some of the cost of sending his daughter to school at Simon's Rock. If his household income falls below $400,000, Marco Rubio would give him a generous tax credit for each of his offspring. The movement also constantly hectors universities and media outlets to consider ideological diversity. Jeffrey reads these agitations and thinks of his libertarian-leaning daughter.

And, if Jeffrey gives some money to conservative causes, figures in the movement will at least pretend to cheerfully listen to him as he says that the problem with Republicans is all these religious wackos and their pro-life nonsense. That stuff bothers his daughter. Privately, many of them would like to take Jeffrey's advice.

The conservative movement has next to zero ideas for improving the life of the typical opioid dependent who lives in Garbutt, New York, outside of Rochester. Let's call him Mike.

Maybe they will make a child tax credit refundable against payroll taxes for Mike. He could get a voucher for a private school, but there aren't many around and he can't make up the difference in tuition costs anyway. In truth, the conservative movement has more ideas for making Mike's life more desperate, like cutting off the Social Security Disability check he's been shamefacedly receiving. It's fibromyalgia fraud, probably. Movement spokesmen might consent to a relaxation of laws against gambling near Mike's congressional district, so that Mike can get a job dealing at a blackjack table. More likely Mike ends up on the wrong side of the table, losing a portion of the SSD check to Sheldon Adelson. Finally, the movement's favorite presidential candidate would like to put American armed forces ahead of a Sunni army outside of Homs, Syria, to fight Bashar al-Assad, ISIS, and al Nusra simultaneously. Russia too, if they don't respect a no-fly zone. Mike's daughter will be among the first round of American women to get a draft card. Mike reads this news and thinks, "Your momma wears combat boots" used to be an insult.

If the conservative movement has any advice for Mike, it's to move out of Garbutt and maybe "learn computers." Any investments he made in himself previously are for naught. People rooted in their hometowns? That sentimentalism is for effete readers of Edmund Burke. Join the hyper-mobile world.

And if Mike runs into a conservative reporter outside a Donald Trump rally, that reporter will then take to the pages of his conservative news outlet and talk about Mike the way a family talks about a distant dementia-afflicted uncle on his deathbed in a jurisdiction where assisted suicide is legal. Officially there's some concern expressed for the poor man's sanity. But the undertone of the remarks comes across as "Couldn't he just die already? We've got important things to attend to (in Syria, of course)." Who has time for trade protectionism?

A recent example of the official right's condescension toward the suckers in Garbutt or Chicopee appeared in National Review Online last week, written by the whip-smart Kevin Williamson. For Williamson, the Donald Trump phenomenon is just one of these periodic rebellions of Buchananites in the party. Poor fellows, they need to be put down, without concessions.

The Buchanan boys are economically and socially frustrated white men who wish to be economically supported by the federal government without enduring the stigma of welfare dependency. [National ReviewDonald Trump & Pat Buchanan: Not So Different]

Brave. Change the words "federal government" to "conservative billionaires" and "direct mail marks" and he could be describing the conservative movement itself. Like Sir Edmund Spenser writing on the wild Gaels of Ireland, Williamson accuses the poor savages of confusing benevolent administration with a conspiracy to humiliate and dispossess them. Where would they even find evidence that free trade has hammered their life prospects even as it granted them cheap plastic containers at Walmart? Or that immigration might be depressing their wages?

After excoriating these working-class Mikes — who may make up perhaps one fifth of the Republican Party — for playing patty-cake with white nationalists, Williamson offers some advice to the movement:

Conservatives should continue to appeal to these voters, addressing the better angels of their nature with policy solutions to their problems, which are not imaginary. Confronting the stupidity and snobbery that holds in contempt those Americans who do work that does not require a university degree would be welcome, too, and Marco Rubio was well-advised to do so in his disquisition on welders and philosophers.

But it is unlikely that such voters can ever be entirely assimilated into the mainstream of American conservatism, the universalism of which provides them no Them — and they want a Them, badly. [National Review]

You see, they suffer from Them and Us thinking, unlike us. The jerks.

I agree that Trump's policies are insufficient, and I doubt Trump would be loyal to them anyway. But Williamson offers no suggestions either. He knows there are none that fit into the straightjacket orthodoxy of conservatism any more. All we can offer Mike is a gesture at Marco Rubio's kind words for people like him. Let Mike eat tax credits. And after we call him a crypto-Nazi, he should come out and do the right thing: Turn out and help Marco Rubio ease the great burdens on the Jeffreys of the world.

Time to think harder.

And here he is on "Why young Christians are falling hard for Marco Rubio":

Election seasons are long, especially when the news cycle is measured in tweets. In a week, Marco Rubio went from a third-place finish in Iowa to looking like a likely nominee to many in the Republican Party. But after his bad debate performance in New Hampshire on Saturday, he started to look like an amateur prematurely promoted beyond his rank.

These cycles can be larger than a week, of course. A little over a year ago, I argued that Marco Rubio's chances were underestimated. And a few weeks ago I argued that Rubio was consistently overestimated. Perhaps, during another low point in the Rubio cycle, it's worth explaining why Rubio is esteemed.

When I argue that Rubio's success is inflated or against his merits as a candidate, my chief antagonists tend to be people just like myself: religious, highly educated people under 40, who identify as conservatives. Without revealing names, many of them were very spooked by the recent battles over religious liberty, as in Indiana last year. They think that religious liberty is a crucial issue and imagine the fate of the institutions they support — like evangelical colleges — depends on it. Although many of them profess some ambivalence about the Republican Party, they want Republicans to win the next election to prevent a liberal president from replacing Supreme Court justices like Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia with left-wing jurists and ending any hope of reversing the Court's commitment to abortion rights.

Rubio is refreshing to this kind of voter for a number of reasons. Previous religious right candidates tended to blend their Christian faith within a larger American civic-religion. They would hide the theological details behind a rood-screen of "traditional values," or even "American values." Many younger Christians find that rhetoric to be stale, distasteful, dishonest, or socially grasping. They are convinced that an earlier generation of conservative Christians witnessed a cost-less Christianity. And they believe that generation's mistakes have led to the rise of the religiously unaffiliated "nones" and a more confident, crusading secularism.

Rubio, however, gives many indications that he is willing to let his faith cost him something in politics. See how he explained to George Stephanopoulos that his "with no exceptions" stand on restricting abortion is rooted in principle, even if that puts him at odds with the sentiments of a majority of Americans. "The broader point I've made, however, is I believe all human life is worthy of the protection of our laws," Rubio said. "That's what I deeply and personally believe. And I'm not going to change my position on something of — that is so deep in me in order to win an election."

These voters appreciate that Rubio is willing to talk about religious faith on its own terms, as in the video of him responding to an atheist at a campaign event. This video has gone viral among religiously engaged Facebook users, in part because it showcases Rubio doing two things that young religious conservatives aspire to do: 1. boldly proclaim a faith that influences "every part of my life," as Rubio put it, while remaining winsome; 2. explain why their faith is good on terms non-believers might understand, or at least accept. Rubio even outlines his faith in theological terms. He hired a faith outreach director, Eric Teetsel, who was a signatory to the Manhattan Declaration, a Christian manifesto. In his biography, Rubio explains his return to the Catholic Church with references to the kind of theologically serious authors that Catholics read today.

In other words, Rubio is the kind of Christian who young Christians believe is truly committed to his faith and who won't embarrass them constantly. That is a powerful connection for young voters who mostly sense that their faith is merely (and barely) tolerated in the elite circles of culture that they aspire to influence.

Many of these young people are less troubled by Rubio's previous support for comprehensive immigration reform because they too saw "welcoming the stranger" as part of their religious duty and a handy way of signaling that they were not committed to any political orthodoxy, not even a conservative one, that would impinge on their creed. They are unlikely to be moved by rumors about Rubio's hard-partying youth, as they experienced or succumbed to similar temptations themselves.

For many of the reasons above, I also find Marco Rubio the most relatable candidate in the 2016 Republican race. But I haven't fallen in love with Marco Rubio, as many of his fans (and my friends, and peers) have. I suspect he would still support an immigration bill as badly conceived as the Gang of Eight. And his rhetoric on foreign policy promises a return to the worst excesses of the Bush years: knocking over regimes in the Middle East, when the United States can make no promises as to the kind of order that will emerge from their downfall. And I would remind Rubio's fans, my friends, and peers of the costs this foreign policy has imposed on our co-religionists in Syria, Iraq, and throughout the world.

Vox just published an article titled "The Donald Trump phenomenon, explained in 21 maps and charts". It doesn't lend itself to reproduction here, but it's very informative.

And here's TAC's Noah Millman on "What I'm Hoping for Out of New Hampshire":

Cards on the table: I’m not going to be supporting the Republican nominee in November.

I might not be supporting the Democratic nominee either. I’m not a Hillary hater, but I never liked her husband (and I think he’s going to be a huge problem when and if he gets back into the East Wing). I think she’s a poor political talent and a poor manager. Most important, I think her foreign policy is far too reflexively bellicose. But against most Republican candidates, I’d still be rooting for her to win even if I can’t bring myself to actually vote for her. (Not that it’ll matter whether I do or don’t; if she’s having trouble winning New York, it’s already long over.)

So, assuming I’m rooting for the Democrat, presumably I want the Republicans to be in maximal disarray, and to nominate their weakest general election candidate. Right, Mr. Chait?

Not really. First of all, I think any Republican nominee has close to even odds of winning the general election. Some candidates have stronger prospects than others. I think the strongest general-election candidate for the GOP is probably the personable and non-crazy John Kasich, followed by the slick and well-packaged Marco Rubio, and the weakest is probably the extreme and personally-repellant Ted Cruz followed by the hapless legacy Jeb Bush. But none of them are so weak that they couldn’t win, and none of them are so strong that they are the obvious choice for a party concerned primarily with winning (which may be one reason the party is having so much trouble deciding). And if we go into a recession, even Ted Cruz would have a better-than-even chance.

Beyond that, it’s important for the health of the Republic that we have two (or more) parties that offer plausible choices to the electorate, both worthy of being trusted with governance. I don’t want either party to be in a state of chaos, or to nominate someone who would make a totally unacceptable president.

So, if I want a nominee who’s at least minimally acceptable, and I don’t want chaos, then presumably I’m in the anybody-but-Trump category. Right, Mr. Linker?

Not really. First of all, while I think Trump would be a very bad president, I don’t think he’d be obviously much worse than some of his opponents. Trump’s enthusiasm for torture is horrifying – but it is exceptionally common in the party that nominated Mitt “double Guantanamo” Romney, and the candidate who most directly confronted that corrosive evil has unfortunately dropped out. I would expect a President Trump to run gleefully roughshod over legal and Constitutional niceties – but, we still have the separation of powers, the division of power, and the existence of an opposition party to challenge an exercise of Trump’s worst instincts, and Trump would have less reason than a normal party leader to count on Republican party loyalty should he find himself threatened with impeachment.

But, more to the point, when you set aside the obnoxious bluster, Trump’s actual instincts are considerably less alarming in some areas than some of the other candidates. In particular, he is a rare Republican who seems comfortable with the idea that foreign affairs is not a zero-sum game. He doesn’t say it’s wrong to deal with an evil regime like Iran; he thinks he, as purported super-negotiator, would have gotten a better deal. If Putin wants to prop up the Assad regime, he doesn’t see why we should interfere – if they fail, that hurts Putin, and if they succeed, that hurts ISIS. He is certainly not a realist, and certainly not anti-interventionist – as I’ve said before, he’s a to-hell-with-’em-hawk. But he seems to understand that sometimes the only way to win is not to play.

Which is more than I can say about some of his Republican opponents – most particularly Marco Rubio.

Finally, it’s not obvious to me that if the GOP establishment actually got its act together and picked a winner, and muscled that winner over the finish line, that this would do anything to quell the chaos that Trump has channeled so effectively. After all, part of the reason we are where we are is that the GOP establishment did exactly that in 2012.

So . . . what is it I want?

First, I want the nomination process to continue. I want the Republican electorate to be forced to ask, “what do we want our party to be” and not merely, “who’s more electable” or “who’s the real conservative,” the questions that the establishment and the conservative movement prefer to ask. Trump has, in a more-than-imperfect way, forced that question. I don’t want the question withdrawn prematurely.

Second, I want credible non-Trump candidates both to continue to challenge him frontally where they believe he’s wrong and to copy him in challenging the establishment conservative consensus where they themselves may believe he’s got a point. The party needs to have a real debate about immigration, about foreign policy, and about its core economic policy ideas. That debate should continue all the way to the convention.

Third, I want the ultimate nominee to be someone who I will not be terrified of should he actually win the presidency.

For all of the above reasons, what I want most of all out of New Hampshire is . . . to stop Marco Rubio.

Laying my remaining cards on the table: I genuinely believe Rubio is the most dangerous candidate of the whole bunch, more dangerous than Trump and certainly more dangerous than the declaredly more-extreme Cruz. It’s partly that Rubio’s foreign policy views are exceptionally ideological and divorced from reality, but more that his whole political identity seems to me to have been engineered based on positioning, and positioning within the world of professional ideologists. The candidate he reminds me of most is John Edwards, and I loathed Edwards.

The Robo-Rubio business from the last debate is overblown in any literal sense – any candidate can be thrown in a given moment, and the pressure of live debates is very different from the pressure of the situation room. But I’m extremely glad it happened, because Rubio really is an empty suit – or so it has seemed to me for months. It’s a well-tailored suit for winning a Republican primary, but that’s not good enough, and anyway, I don’t even know if it’ll fit right once he finally grows into it.

I’m not going to predict how New Hampshire is going to vote. But what I hope happens is that Trump wins with roughly 30%, that Kasich’s momentum carries him well above his recent polling to crack 20%, and that either Bush or Cruz comes in third with roughly 15%.

Looking past New Hampshire, keeping the race, and the real debate, going means keeping the race open. That means hoping that Cruz wins South Carolina (since if Trump win’s he’ll be the overwhelmingly strongest candidate going into Super Tuesday, and he’d be favored to win some of the large Northern states that follow, like Michigan, Illinois and New York).

An open race, in which Cruz and Trump are the leaders but neither looks capable of putting it away, but where the establishment hasn’t coalesced around Rubio, is probably the best-case scenario for a Cruz nomination. It’s also probably the only scenario under which a brokered convention is a real possibility.

And I can live with either prospect.

Ted Cruz is a jerk and an extremist on many things. But at least he seems to care about the Constitution; at least he opposes torture; at least he has some skepticism of over-committing the American military; and at least his extremism is worn relatively honestly. A Cruz-Clinton race would certainly be a choice, not an echo. And Cruz would probably lose, which would hopefully force some kind of reckoning with the wages of extremism.

A brokered convention, meanwhile, would force the GOP to come up with a candidate who actually satisfied the various factions in play at the convention, most definitely including the mob behind Donald Trump. The party would finally get to decide, but they’d have to decide publicly, without the facade of popular endorsement that primary-season bandwagoning produces.

And who knows? Maybe they’d settle on somebody like Kasich who isn’t so terrible? Stranger things have happened.
 

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You are fucking kidding me right? With both parents working, and the cost of daycare (especially with both parents working 60 hours), no way. Daycare alone would screw them, let alone a place to live, food, transportation etc. Without children, sure it could work but add the average of 2 children in and you have pretty much sunk them.

ETA: Yes you get to write off daycare but that doesn't help them pay for it during the year.

Not to mention actual, real inflation is closer to 10% making the goods and services that our grandparents and parents purchased easily while working lower paying jobs are basically budget busters for people today.

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Don't get me wrong, there is a lot to be said for being fiscally responsible and living within your means, but inflation of goods and services and devaluation of the dollar has absolutely stacked the deck against the middle class, driving them closer and closer to the poor.

Think about how rapidly the cost of homes and new cars has increased over the years versus how stagnant wages have been.
 

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200K is great money don't get me wrong but that is hardly a golden parachute. Just look at the package that Marissa Mayer will get from Yahoo if there is a change of control. Now that is a golden parachute.

I believe the vast majority of Americans would take that in a heartbeat.
 

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I believe the vast majority of Americans would take that in a heartbeat.

$200k in Burlington isn't much at all. Vermont is extremely expensive.

What is your argument here? That because she made a $200k severance that he's a hypocrite? When has he ever claimed that he thought it was bad for someone to make money? I think you are seeing the word "socialist" and trying to make an argument that isn't real. I'm sure he is totally accepting of paying any taxes associated with his wife's earnings.
 

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Redefinition of System 2 to Fit Reality: One person makes $1 billion per year (and his family of four live the life of luxury). One or two of his employees make $60,000 per year (and one or two families of four live modestly at a lower middle class level). The other 7 or 8 employees make less than $15,000 per year and live below the poverty level. (These 7 or 8 families of four are dependent upon the government for food stamps, health care, etc.)

Socialism is built on sharing and a sense of morality. A socialist doesn't dine on caviar on his luxury liner in the Caribbean while his neighbor and his children are going without food, wearing shoes and clothing with holes, and dying of illnesses that can be treated with proper medical care. That is the product of capitalism. Capitalism is built upon greed. I've got mine. Too bad you don't have anything. Oh, well! Not my problem.

In my opinion, good for the guy making $1 billion a year. He created a company that people use his products and services for their own purposes. Or he took over a company and is still running it smoothly. He should be entitled to do whatever he wants to do with it. That company is willing to innovate and expand so maybe the big guy can make $1.1 billion dollars - while opening up more stores/factories, what have you, and employing more people to work.

You put a cap on that - what drives the owner to innovate and expand? He's not going to make anymore money...so why should he give two cents? So it stalls the growth and leaves jobs on the table that he would have otherwise created.

People aren't happy with the money they are making working under him? There are other jobs out there. Look for them. Not out there - improve your skills or get a higher education to improve your marketability.

I was a financial advisor coming out of college. I loved personal finances because I was so outraged by how America doesn't have the money to retire on or that they expected social security was going to pull them through when it was just meant to be a supplement. I failed at it. One because I wasn't good at getting the clientele. Two because people would rather have the supermax cable package or two more cases a beer per month then to put money away. I stuck with it but still wasn't making ends meet. I wasn't looking for hand outs. I then met my wife and had to call it quits with my profession I dreamed of doing and got into corporate America. I wanted to move up, so I took classes and will work on my Masters to move up even further. I don't think I would have that drive if everything was fair.

The person next to me shouldn't get the same stuff I get if I've been working my ass of while he sits at home playing xbox.

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Government programs can be great but the populous abuses them. I lived in Toledo for 5 years in an okay neighborhood. Good people...not all. Our neighbors next door moved in, unmarried, with one kid. Our neighbors had them and us over one night. We asked if there are plans to get married. They said we do, but we are looking to have one more kid first so the government can pay for it. "Oh, you mean I pay for it."

Six houses down from us another couple moved in with a kid. This story came from my neighbor who befriended them due to their kids' age. They were on food stamps. The father finally got a job but the food stamps continued to come. They didn't say a word as they continued to collect.

Lots of money and resources are wasted due to this abusement which in turn straps the government that in turn causes more problems.
 

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Not to mention actual, real inflation is closer to 10% making the goods and services that our grandparents and parents purchased easily while working lower paying jobs are basically budget busters for people today.

Alternate Inflation Charts

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot to be said for being fiscally responsible and living within your means, but inflation of goods and services and devaluation of the dollar has absolutely stacked the deck against the middle class, driving them closer and closer to the poor.

Think about how rapidly the cost of homes and new cars has increased over the years versus how stagnant wages have been.

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